Cyprus-Forum.com

[halil]

Zan,
above article is copied from the web page that Umit07 was baned .
i am looking forward to hear Birkibrisli comment on this one .
First of all Sabahattin İsmail his not a history writer.
İ bet he can read Turkish. İ suggest him to read below web site and he can see what the school books says about Cyprus History than he can make his judgment . İ don't know what kind of the destiny he has got . The way he is acting only helps to hate eachother.
Yes Kibrisli gardaş read the history books and find out what our kids are learning officialy. Do some translations from the books.
http://www.mebnet.net/Kitaplar/

Halil gardash...
It is not my intention to prove or disprove anything.I just put up the writings of Mr Ismail,and let people do what they like with it. I am trying to show how our minds have been poisoned to hate each other. I know that Sabahattin Ismail is not an historian. He is a master propagandist...
On the back of this book it says he is a graduate of the School of Journalism and Public Relations in Istanbul. He was a journalist with Halkin Sesi (Dr Kuchuk's paper) and various other publications,before he became Press Secretary to the Prime Minister's department (of the trnc,I presume). At the time of the publication he was head of PR,Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Defence. I have another book of his (The origins of the Cyprus Problem,published in 2000) which says he was on the management committee of the Bayrak Radio and TV,and the Cyprus Turkish News Agency (TAK). At the time of this publication he was Press Secretary to the President,who I imagine was RR Denktash...Now,Iceman said in an earlier post that his books (all 26 of them!) was sponsored by RR Denktash when he was in power. So that makes him Denktash's Chief of Propaganda,does it not??? I have no doubt most of these books were required reading at Schools in the North...So I thought this is great opportunity to see how a master propagandist work. don't blame me,I am only the messenger!!!(or should I say translator?). And before you say it,sure there must be his equivalents on the ROC side...Unfortunately I cannot read Greek...

Gardaşcığım,
Now we are in 2008 . Too many things are changed in Turkish side of the Cyprus. Those man can be everywhere in government , İt doesn't mean that they can effect the people thought. TC's side changed the Denktash regime , Have a look at the Greek side , they didnt changed at all.
you are saying that It is not your intention to prove or disprove anything .
İ don't think so gardaş. İ gave the link to read what the history books are saying . You didn't spend your time to look and get some idea.You should know what they were writing during your time and what they are writing now . Translate it and your true Cypriot Gardaşlar can read and understand . you are only confusing they are minds and helping them to spread around their propaganda . Peace loving , unification loving man must not act like this gardaşcığım. Spend your valuable times with good things.

[zan]

As I thought Halil...Nothing from the self proclaimed Ghandi of Australia...Instead of starving himself for his beliefs he prefers to starve the TCs though...Such sacrifice!!!!!!

You seem to forget that I live in the arse end of the world (as one of our former PMs put it!) and essentially I am asleep when you are up and about, and vice versa...You know I am not shy of arguments with anyone.

I suggest you keep reading this thread to see where your ideas/opinions are coming from...And if you still insist they are right,then at least I'll know that you know exactly what you are doing with your posts here,
carrying on the proud tradition of Mr Ismail's work,Propagandist for one RR Denktash...

I have not read anything like these pages and I don't care to this time around either....I don't care what happened a hundred years ago and besides you have not proved or disproved anything so I don't get what you are trying to do.....Perhaps you can post or even read and understand what the Greeks are teaching their children... Halil has posted all that we are teaching ours so yours just looks like propaganda for the Greeks.......Carry on though I shall enjoy not reading the rest as well.

I know what happened in 1963 and how our country was taken away from us....That is in my lifetime and that is what I want to correct...If he Gcs do not want to give me back my rights and my republic in full then so be it. I feel so much love for my TRNC/KKTC that it makes no difference to me and I shall fight for its recognition despite that these children on here keep telling me that I can't. I think the stupidest of the stupid knows that there has ben conflict between the Greeks an the Turks for centuries so you trying to prove just that is futile in my opinion...Its been done before. How we go about getting my republic back or recognition is what its all about today. They have turned down every offer hat has been put before them and you are prepared to give it to them on a plate........For what???So you can sit in your crumble down house and say Cyprus is whole....And watch the TCs disappear and watch Turkishness disappear and become Greek.....You still have that option now but for yourself.....We have pride in who we are and you have no right in asking us to do that.

[Nikitas]

The history bit glosses over the fate of Marcantonio Bragadin at the hands of Lala Pasha. A promise had been made to Bragadin for safe passage etc if he surrendered. He was hanged upside down instead. He is a national hero of Italy and the Italian navy always has a ship with his name.

[Nikitas]

Following this short course in history we must see a few bits that are missing. The Ottoman conquest of southeastern Europe coincided with the Rennaissaince in the west. And the question we must ask is what happened in the Ottoman empire which stopped the rebirth of learning from expanding there too?

Why weren't there any Greek publications in Istanbul while there were many in Venice at this time? Why did the Greek scholars have to leave the Ottoman empire to have their books published? What were the great centers of learning in the Ottoman empire and what are the works left for us today from those days? Where are the works of art? The same can be asked about Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia and others. The Ottoman empire was like a centuries long sleep for these areas. They took over the most civilised parts of Europe in the 15th century to leave them as the most backward by the end of the Ottoman era. In this respect the Ottoman empire is unique among empires.

[GreekForumer]

The history bit glosses over the fate of Marcantonio Bragadin at the hands of Lala Pasha. A promise had been made to Bragadin for safe passage etc if he surrendered. He was hanged upside down instead. He is a national hero of Italy and the Italian navy always has a ship with his name.

Nikitas, are you being deliberately gentle here ? You know what happened to Bragadin, right ? You know where "he" rests today, right ?

[Nikitas]

Yes, I did not want to get to the graphic details. When I was in Venice last time, through a series of coincidences and without planning to, I bumped into Marcantonio Bragadin's palace. I was givena a very graphic account by a retired Italian naval officer of the torment the poor guy went through. Actually his skin was returned from Istanbul to Venice shortly after his death. I do not know the fate of the rest of his body parts.

Lala pasha is venerated as a hero, but if he had carried out his siege today we all know he would have his ass reamed by Mrs Del Ponte or whatever that Swiss prosecutor's name is. And Eric Daiyi would no doubt be at his side as a staunch advocate at the war crimes court.

[denizaksulu]

Yes, I did not want to get to the graphic details. When I was in Venice last time, through a series of coincidences and without planning to, I bumped into Marcantonio Bragadin's palace. I was givena a very graphic account by a retired Italian naval officer of the torment the poor guy went through. Actually his skin was returned from Istanbul to Venice shortly after his death. I do not know the fate of the rest of his body parts.

Lala pasha is venerated as a hero, but if he had carried out his siege today we all know he would have his ass reamed by Mrs Del Ponte or whatever that Swiss prosecutor's name is. And Eric Daiyi would no doubt be at his side as a staunch advocate at the war crimes court.

May I suggest you ask the retired Naval Officer the fate of the Ottoman Hostages and emissaries, the return of which were part of the negotiations. Needless to say you (plural) would turn a blind eye to the misdeeds carried out by any opponent of the Turks/Ottomans. Such is life.

[zan]

Zan,
above article is copied from the web page that Umit07 was baned .
i am looking forward to hear Birkibrisli comment on this one .
First of all Sabahattin İsmail his not a history writer.
İ bet he can read Turkish. İ suggest him to read below web site and he can see what the school books says about Cyprus History than he can make his judgment . İ don't know what kind of the destiny he has got . The way he is acting only helps to hate eachother.
Yes Kibrisli gardaş read the history books and find out what our kids are learning officialy. Do some translations from the books.
http://www.mebnet.net/Kitaplar/

Halil gardash...
It is not my intention to prove or disprove anything.I just put up the writings of Mr Ismail,and let people do what they like with it. I am trying to show how our minds have been poisoned to hate each other. I know that Sabahattin Ismail is not an historian. He is a master propagandist...
On the back of this book it says he is a graduate of the School of Journalism and Public Relations in Istanbul. He was a journalist with Halkin Sesi (Dr Kuchuk's paper) and various other publications,before he became Press Secretary to the Prime Minister's department (of the trnc,I presume). At the time of the publication he was head of PR,Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Defence. I have another book of his (The origins of the Cyprus Problem,published in 2000) which says he was on the management committee of the Bayrak Radio and TV,and the Cyprus Turkish News Agency (TAK). At the time of this publication he was Press Secretary to the President,who I imagine was RR Denktash...Now,Iceman said in an earlier post that his books (all 26 of them!) was sponsored by RR Denktash when he was in power. So that makes him Denktash's Chief of Propaganda,does it not??? I have no doubt most of these books were required reading at Schools in the North...So I thought this is great opportunity to see how a master propagandist work. don't blame me,I am only the messenger!!!(or should I say translator?). And before you say it,sure there must be his equivalents on the ROC side...Unfortunately I cannot read Greek...

Gardaşcığım,
Now we are in 2008 . Too many things are changed in Turkish side of the Cyprus. Those man can be everywhere in government , İt doesn't mean that they can effect the people thought. TC's side changed the Denktash regime , Have a look at the Greek side , they didnt changed at all.
you are saying that It is not your intention to prove or disprove anything .
İ don't think so gardaş. İ gave the link to read what the history books are saying . You didn't spend your time to look and get some idea.You should know what they were writing during your time and what they are writing now . Translate it and your true Cypriot Gardaşlar can read and understand . you are only confusing they are minds and helping them to spread around their propaganda . Peace loving , unification loving man must not act like this gardaşcığım. Spend your valuable times with good things.

I missed this for some reason Halil....Bravo...Perhaps then I can join Birkibrisli and spread the love he so wants to spread and not defend my people against propaganda all the time.......Our internal affairs are our problem and we WILL sort them out...He seems to make such a song and dance about ours and forgets the GCs problems that directly effect us. I know ours effect them as well but we do not have a choice, they have.

[BirKibrisli]

Hello,everyone...I am away from my computer again till next Wednesday,so you will not hear from me very much. That doesn't mean I am hiding or anything,just busy with real life...

Zan,please feel free to dig up and post anything you consider to be anti-Turkish/TC propaganda from the GC side. That is the whole idea of this thread. To understand how our minds have been poisoned,to keep us divided and under foreign thumbs...I know that is a bit difficult because we do not speak Greek. I am hoping that Greek speakers on this forum will embrace the spirit of this thread,and join in. But if they don't,it doesn't mean we should not expose things from our side. We must do what is "right" and "moral" even if no one else does...Otherwise how else will we ever be free of our chains in our hearts and walls in our heads????