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[Kikapu]

What was that persons name that you wrote about few months ago that the TC's should worry about him bringing religious rules to the "TRNC". Little by little as the settlers become more powerful politically, then yes, even the sheep will have to start wearing head scarfs.

Ahmet Yonluer'di galiba. He was the former "Muftu"...Last I heard he had formed his own political party...Keep watching that name...The Khalifate of kktc is nigh!!!!

Thanks Bir. That's the name I was looking for.

[Viewpoint]

Are the white sheep any more or less sheep than the black one? that what you have to understand. 200.000 TCs vs 100.000 Turks or 200.000 TCs vs 750.000 GCs, ill let you work out the rest using white and black sheep.

But you are pulling our leg,Viewpoint... That is 80,000 TCs vs 350,0000 Turks!..In 25 years that would be 1 Million Turks vs 1 Million Cypriots (of all colours!!!). Then you will have your "level playing field"...

But you might not like the game being played...

Bir you can play with figures all you like the alternative to what we have today a union with GC is to obscure and dangerous, if there are no concrete structures to deter GC dominance then we are not interested.

[Nikitas]

Rather than see what the GCs say read TC commentators' and politicians' fears of the future.

What has happened since 1974 has been both partition and Enosis (union) of the north with Turkey. The TCs have no say in their "country". As my history teacher in England used to say: "the real power is the army gentlemen!" and in the TRNC the army is definitely THE power and it is under the direct command of Turkey.

The south has gone through a major defeat in 1974 and that defeat has induced political maturity. There have been a series of presidential elections, they went smoothly, with no internal tensions and no external influence. This is proof of maturity and functionality of the system and shows that the community has overcome the complex of the tribal leader. By contrast the TCs have been ruled by one man for 30 years, who was replaced by Turkey when his role was no longer useful .

The GCs rebuilt their economy in 63 per cent of the country, increased their GDP, brought the economy to EU standards and joined the Eurozone. The south is developing into a multicultural European country while the north is a monoethnic Turks only colony.

It is not hard to see where the process is leading. Either the TCs will have to assert themselves against Turkey or they will be extinguished. It is a challenge they have refused to take up since the 50s. I think the game is lost for them now.

[purdey]

I am glad to see you put emphasis on the south is DEVELOPING into a multicultural European country.
You have long way to go yet.Let's see a little more emphasis on equal rights and an open job market.

[Kikapu]

Are the white sheep any more or less sheep than the black one? that what you have to understand. 200.000 TCs vs 100.000 Turks or 200.000 TCs vs 750.000 GCs, ill let you work out the rest using white and black sheep.

But you are pulling our leg,Viewpoint... That is 80,000 TCs vs 350,0000 Turks!..In 25 years that would be 1 Million Turks vs 1 Million Cypriots (of all colours!!!). Then you will have your "level playing field"...

But you might not like the game being played...

Bir you can play with figures all you like the alternative to what we have today a union with GC is to obscure and dangerous, if there are no concrete structures to deter GC dominance then we are not interested.

VP,

You live in the "TRNC" who is always telling those who do not, on how much more you know than us, so lets put this to a test VP.

1. Give us the True TC numbers. (Indigenous + children born to True TC's married to Turks)

2. Give us the number of settlers given "TC citizenships"

3. Give us the total number of settlers in the "TRNC", minus the settlers who already given "TC citizenships".

4. What is the purpose of giving out "TC citizenships" to any settlers. (except to those married to True TC's ).

5. How many more "TC citizenships" is the "TRNC" willing to sell to the settlers.

6. What is the purpose for the overall population increases artificially in the "TRNC"

Thanks.

[RAFAELLA]

Bir you can play with figures all you like the alternative to what we have today a union with GC is to obscure and dangerous, if there are no concrete structures to deter GC dominance then we are not interested.

Can you please explain?

[Viewpoint]

Are the white sheep any more or less sheep than the black one? that what you have to understand. 200.000 TCs vs 100.000 Turks or 200.000 TCs vs 750.000 GCs, ill let you work out the rest using white and black sheep.

But you are pulling our leg,Viewpoint... That is 80,000 TCs vs 350,0000 Turks!..In 25 years that would be 1 Million Turks vs 1 Million Cypriots (of all colours!!!). Then you will have your "level playing field"...

But you might not like the game being played...

Bir you can play with figures all you like the alternative to what we have today a union with GC is to obscure and dangerous, if there are no concrete structures to deter GC dominance then we are not interested.

VP,

You live in the "TRNC" who is always telling those who do not, on how much more you know than us, so lets put this to a test VP.

1. Give us the True TC numbers. (Indigenous + children born to True TC's married to Turks)

2. Give us the number of settlers given "TC citizenships"

3. Give us the total number of settlers in the "TRNC", minus the settlers who already given "TC citizenships".

4. What is the purpose of giving out "TC citizenships" to any settlers. (except to those married to True TC's ).

5. How many more "TC citizenships" is the "TRNC" willing to sell to the settlers.

6. What is the purpose for the overall population increases artificially in the "TRNC"

Thanks.

Try doing some research sorry I do not make a habit of memorizing them, I can give you a clue go to http://nufussayimi.devplan.org/Kesin-so ... ex_en.html and you will find what you seek.

Did you answer my question on the other thread?, you promised to respond later.

[Kikapu]

Are the white sheep any more or less sheep than the black one? that what you have to understand. 200.000 TCs vs 100.000 Turks or 200.000 TCs vs 750.000 GCs, ill let you work out the rest using white and black sheep.

But you are pulling our leg,Viewpoint... That is 80,000 TCs vs 350,0000 Turks!..In 25 years that would be 1 Million Turks vs 1 Million Cypriots (of all colours!!!). Then you will have your "level playing field"...

But you might not like the game being played...

Bir you can play with figures all you like the alternative to what we have today a union with GC is to obscure and dangerous, if there are no concrete structures to deter GC dominance then we are not interested.

VP,

You live in the "TRNC" who is always telling those who do not, on how much more you know than us, so lets put this to a test VP.

1. Give us the True TC numbers. (Indigenous + children born to True TC's married to Turks)

2. Give us the number of settlers given "TC citizenships"

3. Give us the total number of settlers in the "TRNC", minus the settlers who already given "TC citizenships".

4. What is the purpose of giving out "TC citizenships" to any settlers. (except to those married to True TC's ).

5. How many more "TC citizenships" is the "TRNC" willing to sell to the settlers.

6. What is the purpose for the overall population increases artificially in the "TRNC"

Thanks.

Try doing some research sorry I do not make a habit of memorizing them, I can give you a clue go to http://nufussayimi.devplan.org/Kesin-so ... ex_en.html and you will find what you seek.

Did you answer my question on the other thread?, you promised to respond later.

Sure, I can answer it for you..I re read it and was not certain if it really needed a reply, but I'll give you one all the same.

Thanks for the above link. I'll check it out later and get back to you if needed. However, questions 4,5,and 6 should be answered by you personally, since it was directed at you.

[Viewpoint]

We are a country just like other countries we have the right to grant citizenship to whom ever we see fit, do the GCs ask permission when granting citizenship to Pontians?

The TRNC can grant as many citizenship's as she wishes.

After 1974 the north needed workers for all areas, farming, construction, tourism etc..there are just not enough TCs to go around so its only natural that workers are brought in there are many examples around the world Jamaicans to the UK and Turks to Germany.

Now the GCs see the settlers as a threat that will effect the balance of power if we were ever to reunite and we know this is one of their sensitive points. I would say that the majority of TCs would not object to some settlers being encouraged to go back but there are some which have set p their lives here and should be treated according to EU norms regarding right to settle.

[Kikapu]

We are a country just like other countries we have the right to grant citizenship to whom ever we see fit, do the GCs ask permission when granting citizenship to Pontians?

The TRNC can grant as many citizenship's as she wishes.

After 1974 the north needed workers for all areas, farming, construction, tourism etc..there are just not enough TCs to go around so its only natural that workers are brought in there are many examples around the world Jamaicans to the UK and Turks to Germany.

Now the GCs see the settlers as a threat that will effect the balance of power if we were ever to reunite and we know this is one of their sensitive points. I would say that the majority of TCs would not object to some settlers being encouraged to go back but there are some which have set p their lives here and should be treated according to EU norms regarding right to settle.

VP,

I'm sorry to say this VP, but you really did not address my questions. One can have as many migrant workers as needed to run their economy. They are not given citizenship's as a result. I won't even get into the "we are a country like any other " comment, because that too is debatable. One cannot be a country, when there are UN resolution one after another of it's illegality, as well as the "country" being built on other peoples land, but that's another topic and that's not where I wanted to go with my questions.

Question 4 was, "What is the purpose of giving out "TC citizenship's" to any settlers. (except to those married to True TC's )" is very specific VP. It has to do with demands being made from Turkey to add 50,000 new TC citizenship's given to the settlers. That 50,000 can and will expand to become 150,000-200,000 in a short time, just from those newly TC citizens sponsoring their family members to become TC citizens. I want to know from you, as to what business is it to Turkey to make those demands, even if the "TRNC" was a fully recognised country. This is the question every TC should be asking and not just me. These people are already in the "TRNC", so why the need to make them citizens.


This has a double edge sword the way I see it. One is to complicate any peace deal if there is no EU membership in Turkey's future, and second, for Turkey to have complete control over the TC's, in order to cut any deal they can with the RoC without any objections from the TC's. So in essence, the TC's have put their future into the hands of Turkey, to do as she wishes, and she will, as she moves towards EU membership. Turkey's road to EU membership passes directly through the island of Cyprus.

Do you see my concerns, or do you have any other explanation to question 4.??