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[Viewpoint]

At the current juncture what difference does having 40.000 or 100.000 soldiers, the GCs rejected reducing these to a symbolic 650 that shows you that they are not interested in the other parts of an agreement they only part they want is to get rid of our safeguards, I would hate to imagine the mayhem if the Turkish army left tomorrow without an agreement, we would be mincemeat overnight.

Then so would I because I would not stand by and watch my compatriots being butchered !!! I wonder what the EU would make of it !!

The same as what they made of the slaughter in Bosnia, they did nothing we do not want to take that chance, I am sure you can understand why we need definate safety measure to ensure that neither side is put in danger.

I entirely agree that no Cypriot should feel threatened and that is one major reason I opposed the AP which gave Turkey the right to intervene anywhere in Cyprus and without any guarantees that she would abide by her commitments and reduce the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus.
We need external guarantees and those must come not from Turkey , Greece or Britain but from Europe and the UN.

Does the EU have an army to intervene in times of crisis, how many veto do the countries on the UN security council have? Russia would block any immediate actions if all heel broke loose and could delay taking action unitl it was to late. Who are we to trust if Turkey is not around?

[Viewpoint]

The military coup that ousted Makarios and gave Turkey the excuse that for years she was waiting for was carried out by the Military junta of Greece aided by the fanatics in Cyprus . The huge majority of Cypriots were firmly against the coup . You seem to have a hidden agenda , one that promotes your sinister partitionist ambitions that you are so certain that you , Zan that is , will achieve. You talk of rape and killings and you ignore the plight of thousands killed by the Turkish invasion , thousands pushed out of their ancestral homes and the bitterness manifested by the Turkish invasion .You must forgive , forget , respect and be respected.I have done this and so can you if you only allow the hatred that you feel subside.
Over 8000 posts , what constructive points have you managed to promote , just look at your signature , are you forgetting that 1000s of T/Cs cross into the ROC , daily without let or hindrance. Yes there are spiteful people amongst us , you for instance , and we must not allow these hooligans to win. Stop spreading hatred and malicious propaganda , the people of Cyprus have had a belly full , enough to last for the next millennium.

If we were mixed attacks would occur as then it could be blamed on the other side, now that is not possible as it would be clearly blamed on the GCs in the south and TCs in the north.

[miltiades]

VP , are you seriously suggesting that over half a million Cypriots who consider , rightly so , Turkey to be in violation of their rights to TRUST Turkey !! Come on man , even I a moderate would not trust a third world nation like Turkey to meet its obligations let along the diehards .
EU doesn't have an army , yet , but why do we need an army , we have the UN still operating in Cyprus and we have a democracy that works . How about NATO guarantying the safety of our people , why Turkey a nation that
still has on its statue article 301 !!
Just to clarify a couple of points here , I dont have much respect for nations such as Greece and Turkey , how can I when I call these two culprits the cancer of Cyprus .Both are foreign bloody countries and the quicker they abandon Cyprus the better for our future. We are miles ahead of both of these two nations !!

[Viewpoint]

VP , are you seriously suggesting that over half a million Cypriots who consider , rightly so , Turkey to be in violation of their rights to TRUST Turkey !! Come on man , even I a moderate would not trust a third world nation like Turkey to meet its obligations let along the diehards .
EU doesn't have an army , yet , but why do we need an army , we have the UN still operating in Cyprus and we have a democracy that works . How about NATO guarantying the safety of our people , why Turkey a nation that
still has on its statue article 301 !!
Just to clarify a couple of points here , I dont have much respect for nations such as Greece and Turkey , how can I when I call these two culprits the cancer of Cyprus .Both are foreign bloody countries and the quicker they abandon Cyprus the better for our future. We are miles ahead of both of these two nations !!

What happens if we have a repeat of the past who will stop the riots or killings, terrorists etc you cant leave these things to chance and there is noway I am putting my welling being into the hands of spectators like the UN. Maybe a compromise could be arranged where Turkey can only intervene in the North state? We TCs do not trust the democracy in the "RoC" a prime example is the GC who exchnaged land he is being presecuted and discriminated against by your democracy.

Turkey is still developing rapidly 301 will go.

[zan]

The military coup that ousted Makarios and gave Turkey the excuse that for years she was waiting for was carried out by the Military junta of Greece aided by the fanatics in Cyprus . The huge majority of Cypriots were firmly against the coup . You seem to have a hidden agenda , one that promotes your sinister partitionist ambitions that you are so certain that you , Zan that is , will achieve. You talk of rape and killings and you ignore the plight of thousands killed by the Turkish invasion , thousands pushed out of their ancestral homes and the bitterness manifested by the Turkish invasion .You must forgive , forget , respect and be respected.I have done this and so can you if you only allow the hatred that you feel subside.
Over 8000 posts , what constructive points have you managed to promote , just look at your signature , are you forgetting that 1000s of T/Cs cross into the ROC , daily without let or hindrance. Yes there are spiteful people amongst us , you for instance , and we must not allow these hooligans to win. Stop spreading hatred and malicious propaganda , the people of Cyprus have had a belly full , enough to last for the next millennium.

You see history as propaganda for your own hidden agenda...Is that it...You ignore the fact that the "RoC" has highjacked the Cyprus Republic but you accuse me of not seeing what Turkey did.....You pick your words carefully mate and twist and turn.......How about you accept the fact of the Highjack and denounce the "RoC".....Then I will accept Turkey is not supposed to be there...Deal.....You can fight against the "RoC" and get them to dissolve and I will fight against Turkey and get them to leave.



NO?Then stop spreading your hate.[/code]

[miltiades]

The military coup that ousted Makarios and gave Turkey the excuse that for years she was waiting for was carried out by the Military junta of Greece aided by the fanatics in Cyprus . The huge majority of Cypriots were firmly against the coup . You seem to have a hidden agenda , one that promotes your sinister partitionist ambitions that you are so certain that you , Zan that is , will achieve. You talk of rape and killings and you ignore the plight of thousands killed by the Turkish invasion , thousands pushed out of their ancestral homes and the bitterness manifested by the Turkish invasion .You must forgive , forget , respect and be respected.I have done this and so can you if you only allow the hatred that you feel subside.
Over 8000 posts , what constructive points have you managed to promote , just look at your signature , are you forgetting that 1000s of T/Cs cross into the ROC , daily without let or hindrance. Yes there are spiteful people amongst us , you for instance , and we must not allow these hooligans to win. Stop spreading hatred and malicious propaganda , the people of Cyprus have had a belly full , enough to last for the next millennium.

You see history as propaganda for your own hidden agenda...Is that it...You ignore the fact that the "RoC" has highjacked the Cyprus Republic but you accuse me of not seeing what Turkey did.....You pick your words carefully mate and twist and turn.......How about you accept the fact of the Highjack and denounce the "RoC".....Then I will accept Turkey is not supposed to be there...Deal.....You can fight against the "RoC" and get them to dissolve and I will fight against Turkey and get them to leave.



NO?Then stop spreading your hate.[/code]

You are more ridiculous than I thought. The ROC is recognised , just in case you did not know , and also a member of the EU .You are asking me to denounce a nation recognised by the world over and what mate , recognise the military creation that apart from its creators no one else recognises. Don't be absurd . The ROC has made huge errors and it is still making such errors but the creation of a "nation " called Turkish Republic....was by far the most fundamental error .North Cyprus republic I could understand but Turkish while 40 thousand Turkish troops are in occupation , that is grotesque. If the ROC called itself the Greek Republic of Cyprus that would also be grotesque , the usage of the Greek National anthum IS grotesque , but all about the "TRNC" is Turkish , not Cypriot , an occupied area where the indigenous population has been reduced to a minority.
Cyprus is one nation and there is one government , the government that the International community accepts.

[Viewpoint]

The military coup that ousted Makarios and gave Turkey the excuse that for years she was waiting for was carried out by the Military junta of Greece aided by the fanatics in Cyprus . The huge majority of Cypriots were firmly against the coup . You seem to have a hidden agenda , one that promotes your sinister partitionist ambitions that you are so certain that you , Zan that is , will achieve. You talk of rape and killings and you ignore the plight of thousands killed by the Turkish invasion , thousands pushed out of their ancestral homes and the bitterness manifested by the Turkish invasion .You must forgive , forget , respect and be respected.I have done this and so can you if you only allow the hatred that you feel subside.
Over 8000 posts , what constructive points have you managed to promote , just look at your signature , are you forgetting that 1000s of T/Cs cross into the ROC , daily without let or hindrance. Yes there are spiteful people amongst us , you for instance , and we must not allow these hooligans to win. Stop spreading hatred and malicious propaganda , the people of Cyprus have had a belly full , enough to last for the next millennium.

You see history as propaganda for your own hidden agenda...Is that it...You ignore the fact that the "RoC" has highjacked the Cyprus Republic but you accuse me of not seeing what Turkey did.....You pick your words carefully mate and twist and turn.......How about you accept the fact of the Highjack and denounce the "RoC".....Then I will accept Turkey is not supposed to be there...Deal.....You can fight against the "RoC" and get them to dissolve and I will fight against Turkey and get them to leave.



NO?Then stop spreading your hate.[/code]

You are more ridiculous than I thought. The ROC is recognised , just in case you did not know , and also a member of the EU .You are asking me to denounce a nation recognised by the world over and what mate , recognise the military creation that apart from its creators no one else recognises. Don't be absurd . The ROC has made huge errors and it is still making such errors but the creation of a "nation " called Turkish Republic....was by far the most fundamental error .North Cyprus republic I could understand but Turkish while 40 thousand Turkish troops are in occupation , that is grotesque. If the ROC called itself the Greek Republic of Cyprus that would also be grotesque , the usage of the Greek National anthum IS grotesque , but all about the "TRNC" is Turkish , not Cypriot , an occupied area where the indigenous population has been reduced to a minority.
Cyprus is one nation and there is one government , the government that the International community accepts.

A GC "government" of a GC country the "RoC" being recognized has not resolved your problem when will you realize that no matter how recognized you are are by other nations it will not count one iota if the TCs do not want to unite into a structure where GCs will dominate and control our future.

[halil]

I'm just SICK reading all the bullshit posted by the partitionists justifying the Turkish invasion in order to put an end to the "genocide " taking place . Go on , foreigners , tell us how many Cypriots were murdered prior to the invasion.Many new comers to the forum would be thinking that due to systematic killing of Cypriots Turkey was forced to invade .
Zan you are the one who continually post such nonsense .
Now here is my challenge to you.
HOW MANY CYPRIOTS WERE MASSACRED IN ORDER TO FORCE TURKEY TO INVADE CYPRUS , 7 YEARS BEFORE 1974.
Please tell us.
If you cant then do us a favour and admit that all that you want is for part of our nation to be absorbed by a foreign country that the overwhelming majority of G/Cs and a size able minority of T/Cs see as an occupying power.

Dear friend Miltiades,
ı was surprised to see u writing this kind of the tread in this forum. İ think u are under the pressure from some members . İt will not help at all copy and paste such a events again and again.
i will not paste them here. Internet is full up with allegations from both sides. specially like this one.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... hp?t=43616

it will not end up . come to your senses.
the way you showing your reaction against Zan or Vp . don't you think you should also show your reactions against others as well . Have a look at the forum .It is full up .If we would like to do something , we , all should stop blaming only one side.
OK. Turkish army is occupying army in Cyprus .Miltiades my friend don't you know that Greek troops are also serving in Greek Cypriot army. Also some of them doing job professionally and getting money for it . Many times i expressed in this forum it is not the Turkish Troops are stationed in this island . Greece and UK has got troops as well. Very lately roc planing to give military bases to France . Why ?
most of the civilians has got guns and ammunition(caisson) in their homes. Why ?
when we questioning someone we must questioned all of them .than we can not get reactions .That time people of the Cyprus might believe us that we are really concerning about Cyprus.

hopefully , u can understand what i mean also next time when u come to Cyprus we can have more time to talk face to face and meet more people from both sides and try to talk with them and understand their feelings than listening what the forum members says or talks. Most of the things are completly different than u and ı hear on this forum. It will be very usefull to expand communication between people . This the way what i belive my friend.

[repulsewarrior]

miltiades, What are you trying to prove exactly? What is the important point here? Are you trying to discredit Turkeys reasons for intervention? I believe that Turkey had justifiable reason to use military force ever since the day of Makarios's amendmants in the constitution. My view is that Turkey was very calm up to the events up to 74 and that Turkey had very right intervene in 74. Miltiades I personally believe that TC's aren't that fanatic about Turkishness to the extent GC's are crazy about thier Greekness. Just look around you every flag of the RoC has a flag of Greece beside it and you are a so called republic ( just like in the north) thats why to me the RoC is no more legal than our TRNC.

i have to agree with you that the military intervention was necessary in 1974, and without the "cleansing" the RoC of that time would well have offered in gratitude support to the aspirations of those who were displaced in 1964, an end to the ideals of EOKA once and for all, as well as the Constitutional reform which is still needed.

[BC Numismatics]

Repulsewarrior,both EOKA & EOKA B were terrorist outfits - scum of the earth!

Aidan.