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[shahmaran]

Yeah no TC i know tells a story anything remotely similar to what Miltiades or that of Piratis insists on portraying -i wont even go into Phoenix's because she is just from another planet-, it just doesn't fit into their little propaganda scam so denial is the only option they got, time will show, more and more bones are being excavated and examined forensically, we personally know of people who had disappeared prior to 74, it doesn't matter how much shit these people can repeat, in fact you can keep repeating the same old story until you foam and die Piratis, it wont matter, the truth is out there.

[zan]

Zan , you are talking absolute crap .Propaganda shit basicaly , the Turkish Cypriots under instructions from Turkey walked out of the government and civil servants were ordered by the fanatics to stay home.
Turkey wanted the partition of Cyprus , nothing less and nothing more.The bullshit you keep posting on the Akritas plan is just that .
TURKEY INVADED IN 1974 , NOT TO STOP THE ONGOING MASSACRE OF THE T/Cs , BECAUSE IT SIMPLY WASNT HAPPENING , BUT TO AVERT WHAT IT PRESUMED WAS THE GOAL OF THE COUPISTS UNION WITH GREECE.
Cypriot people both T/Cs and G/Cs are peaceful family orientated folk who want nothing more than peaceful coexistence , they are however hindered by the fanatics.Why is it ask your self that I have NEVER accused any section of the Cypriot community as being totaly at fault , because I'm not a fanatic and because all Cypriots I consider as my people. I detest the involvement of Turkey and Greece and I have referred to these two foreign bloody countries as the deadly cancer of Cyprus.

You support the new regime of he "RoC" and not the Cyprus Republic and you stand there telling me you have a whiter than white idealistic goal. The Akritas Plan and it's effects cannot be stated by propaganda alone mate so just by you saying that what happened didn't happen amounts to jack shit...The results are here for all to see and you are choosing not to see hem...It is you hat is spouting propaganda to cover up what happened...I am just saying it as it is..... I must admit..You fooled me for a while and I thought hat you were genuine in what you wanted but you are just the carrot part of the big GC con trick....Hope you are proud of yourself...

My position has NEVER changed . There is but one island , one Cyprus .
The island belongs to all its people , there are as far as I'm concerned NO Majorities and NO Minorities. I support the government that the entire world recognises as the ONLY LEGITIMATE government of Cyprus.The UN , EU and every other single International body considers the entire island to be part of Cyprus.YOU see the part of North Cyprus as a separate country.NOT SO SAYS THE INTERNATIONA COMMUNITY.
You say I fooled once , how , by perhaps telling the truth based on realities and not propaganda. I have strongly criticized and still do , the promotion of Cyprus as either Greek or Turkish .I have never ever deviated from my position which is : CYPRUS FOR ALL CYPRIOTS - FOREIGN TROOPS OUT OF CYPRUS - MY AMBITION TO SEE A TURKISH CYPRIOT AS THE PRESIDENT OF CYPRUS WITH HIS ALLEGIANCE TO CYPRUS AND NOT THE BLOODY FOREIGN NATIONS TTHAT HAVE CAUSED SO MUCH CONFLICT IN CYPRUS.
Where exactly did I fool you mate ? I have more T/C friends that respect me and my views than you have .You are not representative of the overwhelming majority of T/Cs , you are a partitionist and a fanatic.Im not .
Your comments on me supporting the ROC are incorrect ! I support the government of Cyprus because it is the only government that the International community recognises . What exactly would you expect me to do . Fly the flag of the non recognised , army created regime ?
I do concern my self with actions by the ROC that are not conducive to bringing our people together and I'm vociferous in my condemnation
of such actions.

You are not vociferous enough if you accept the Fait Accompli of the situation...A wrong is a wrong whether the world has had to go along with it or not.

There is no government of Cyprus but a government of the "RoC"..The government of the Cyprus Republic is on hold and may never resurface if you keep supporting the regime responsible for its downfall.

I am not asking you to fly the flag for either side but for the original Cyprus Republic......Which means that the "RoC" is your enemy.

As for more TCs representing you than me.......Take a look at the situation guv.........The TCs live on one side and you live on the other......Stop deluding yourself.

[phoenix]

miltiades

I recall in July of 1974 while on holiday in my flat in Famagusta seeing hundreds of T/Cs coming out of the walled city and going without hindrance to their daily chores , this was days before the coup ......

I too was in Famagusta in July 74 and prior to the coup there may well have been 'normal' existence, but in the 5 days leading up to 20th July the vast majority of TC's remained well within their boundaries. They were scared shitless of say venturing out, or going into Varosha, or other areas through the uncertainty of what was going on.

There is no doubt in any TC mind that the Turkish armies intervention put a stop to any possible uprising against the TC community. In the madness that was the coup, who really knows what the final outcome would have been.
Just think of those poor moslem souls in Srebrenica where the whole world watched and knew they would be massacred and did NOTHING to prevent it, with or without the UN and so-called safe havens.

So the whole invasion and continued occupation of half our island is based on pure supposition ... nothing more.

No evidence, no actual figures of any harm done to TCs.

Merely hang the GCs just in case one day, somehow, they may decide to do the TCs harm.

Destroy everyone in the neighbourhood of Turkey ...create a huge exclusion zone around the whole of Turkey ...... so that there can never be anybody within striking distance of a Turk.

What a modern effective country you have ....

And then you have the audacity to scream that you are isolated.

[zan]

miltiades

I recall in July of 1974 while on holiday in my flat in Famagusta seeing hundreds of T/Cs coming out of the walled city and going without hindrance to their daily chores , this was days before the coup ......

I too was in Famagusta in July 74 and prior to the coup there may well have been 'normal' existence, but in the 5 days leading up to 20th July the vast majority of TC's remained well within their boundaries. They were scared shitless of say venturing out, or going into Varosha, or other areas through the uncertainty of what was going on.

There is no doubt in any TC mind that the Turkish armies intervention put a stop to any possible uprising against the TC community. In the madness that was the coup, who really knows what the final outcome would have been.
Just think of those poor moslem souls in Srebrenica where the whole world watched and knew they would be massacred and did NOTHING to prevent it, with or without the UN and so-called safe havens.

So the whole invasion and continued occupation of half our island is based on pure supposition ... nothing more.

No evidence, no actual figures of any harm done to TCs.

Merely hang the GCs just in case one day, somehow, they may decide to do the TCs harm.

Destroy everyone in the neighbourhood of Turkey ...create a huge exclusion zone around the whole of Turkey ...... so that there can never be anybody within striking distance of a Turk.

What a modern effective country you have ....

And then you have the audacity to scream that you are isolated.

hahahahahahaha! This is he type of talk we really really like..It shows the world the dysfunctional thinking behind an aggressive take over attempt by the "RoC" and its henchmen. Keep it up fake lady........Let the man out inside you.....GR must be feeling claustrophobic....

[miltiades]

miltiades

I recall in July of 1974 while on holiday in my flat in Famagusta seeing hundreds of T/Cs coming out of the walled city and going without hindrance to their daily chores , this was days before the coup ......

I too was in Famagusta in July 74 and prior to the coup there may well have been 'normal' existence, but in the 5 days leading up to 20th July the vast majority of TC's remained well within their boundaries. They were scared shitless of say venturing out, or going into Varosha, or other areas through the uncertainty of what was going on.

There is no doubt in any TC mind that the Turkish armies intervention put a stop to any possible uprising against the TC community. In the madness that was the coup, who really knows what the final outcome would have been.
Just think of those poor moslem souls in Srebrenica where the whole world watched and knew they would be massacred and did NOTHING to prevent it, with or without the UN and so-called safe havens.

Thank you 74LB. He is not interested in hearing that...Reality sucks for these people.

That is where you are wrong ZAN. LB74 made a very good point in that the T/Cs remained scared stiff as what might have happened after the coup.A lot of G/Cs lost their lives because the orchestrators of the coup considered anyone not with them to be against them.
The purpose however of this thread was to put to rest the idea that a massacre was going on and Turkey just had to interfere to stop it.No , Turkey saw the coup as a step towards ENOSIS .
What I'm trying to say is that for years and years we lived peacefully next to each other.We are on the whole very peaceful people , both theT/Cs and the G/Cs. The fanatics and nationalistic freaks are responsible , and on this forum you witness the continuing planting of hatred by both sides .

[zan]

miltiades

I recall in July of 1974 while on holiday in my flat in Famagusta seeing hundreds of T/Cs coming out of the walled city and going without hindrance to their daily chores , this was days before the coup ......

I too was in Famagusta in July 74 and prior to the coup there may well have been 'normal' existence, but in the 5 days leading up to 20th July the vast majority of TC's remained well within their boundaries. They were scared shitless of say venturing out, or going into Varosha, or other areas through the uncertainty of what was going on.

There is no doubt in any TC mind that the Turkish armies intervention put a stop to any possible uprising against the TC community. In the madness that was the coup, who really knows what the final outcome would have been.
Just think of those poor moslem souls in Srebrenica where the whole world watched and knew they would be massacred and did NOTHING to prevent it, with or without the UN and so-called safe havens.

Thank you 74LB. He is not interested in hearing that...Reality sucks for these people.

That is where you are wrong ZAN. LB74 made a very good point in that the T/Cs remained scared stiff as what might have happened after the coup.A lot of G/Cs lost their lives because the orchestrators of the coup considered anyone not with them to be against them.
The purpose however of this thread was to put to rest the idea that a massacre was going on and Turkey just had to interfere to stop it.No , Turkey saw the coup as a step towards ENOSIS .
What I'm trying to say is that for years and years we lived peacefully next to each other.We are on the whole very peaceful people , both theT/Cs and the G/Cs. The fanatics and nationalistic freaks are responsible , and on this forum you witness the continuing planting of hatred by both sides .

Why do you keep denying the fact hat we were under siege since 1963 and still are.....The constitution you signed up to has been highjacked by the regime in the "RoC" and is not the same CYPRUS REPUBLIC that you want us to accept....You also keep going on about the seven years before 1974 as if people were not dying from the direct results of the siege. Guns were not needed but that to one side...The INVASION BY GREECE was what set Turkey off and the instant attack on the TCs was another sign of the intent f the GCs.

[miltiades]

Zan , you are talking absolute crap .Propaganda shit basicaly , the Turkish Cypriots under instructions from Turkey walked out of the government and civil servants were ordered by the fanatics to stay home.
Turkey wanted the partition of Cyprus , nothing less and nothing more.The bullshit you keep posting on the Akritas plan is just that .
TURKEY INVADED IN 1974 , NOT TO STOP THE ONGOING MASSACRE OF THE T/Cs , BECAUSE IT SIMPLY WASNT HAPPENING , BUT TO AVERT WHAT IT PRESUMED WAS THE GOAL OF THE COUPISTS UNION WITH GREECE.
Cypriot people both T/Cs and G/Cs are peaceful family orientated folk who want nothing more than peaceful coexistence , they are however hindered by the fanatics.Why is it ask your self that I have NEVER accused any section of the Cypriot community as being totaly at fault , because I'm not a fanatic and because all Cypriots I consider as my people. I detest the involvement of Turkey and Greece and I have referred to these two foreign bloody countries as the deadly cancer of Cyprus.

You support the new regime of he "RoC" and not the Cyprus Republic and you stand there telling me you have a whiter than white idealistic goal. The Akritas Plan and it's effects cannot be stated by propaganda alone mate so just by you saying that what happened didn't happen amounts to jack shit...The results are here for all to see and you are choosing not to see hem...It is you hat is spouting propaganda to cover up what happened...I am just saying it as it is..... I must admit..You fooled me for a while and I thought hat you were genuine in what you wanted but you are just the carrot part of the big GC con trick....Hope you are proud of yourself...

My position has NEVER changed . There is but one island , one Cyprus .
The island belongs to all its people , there are as far as I'm concerned NO Majorities and NO Minorities. I support the government that the entire world recognises as the ONLY LEGITIMATE government of Cyprus.The UN , EU and every other single International body considers the entire island to be part of Cyprus.YOU see the part of North Cyprus as a separate country.NOT SO SAYS THE INTERNATIONA COMMUNITY.
You say I fooled once , how , by perhaps telling the truth based on realities and not propaganda. I have strongly criticized and still do , the promotion of Cyprus as either Greek or Turkish .I have never ever deviated from my position which is : CYPRUS FOR ALL CYPRIOTS - FOREIGN TROOPS OUT OF CYPRUS - MY AMBITION TO SEE A TURKISH CYPRIOT AS THE PRESIDENT OF CYPRUS WITH HIS ALLEGIANCE TO CYPRUS AND NOT THE BLOODY FOREIGN NATIONS TTHAT HAVE CAUSED SO MUCH CONFLICT IN CYPRUS.
Where exactly did I fool you mate ? I have more T/C friends that respect me and my views than you have .You are not representative of the overwhelming majority of T/Cs , you are a partitionist and a fanatic.Im not .
Your comments on me supporting the ROC are incorrect ! I support the government of Cyprus because it is the only government that the International community recognises . What exactly would you expect me to do . Fly the flag of the non recognised , army created regime ?
I do concern my self with actions by the ROC that are not conducive to bringing our people together and I'm vociferous in my condemnation
of such actions.

You are not vociferous enough if you accept the Fait Accompli of the situation...A wrong is a wrong whether the world has had to go along with it or not.

There is no government of Cyprus but a government of the "RoC"..The government of the Cyprus Republic is on hold and may never resurface if you keep supporting the regime responsible for its downfall.

I am not asking you to fly the flag for either side but for the original Cyprus Republic......Which means that the "RoC" is your enemy.

As for more TCs representing you than me.......Take a look at the situation guv.........The TCs live on one side and you live on the other......Stop deluding yourself.

No mate , the majority T/Cs live here in the UK, IN THE AREA THAT YOU ARE REFERING TO THEY ARE BUT A MINORITY.

[zan]

Zan , you are talking absolute crap .Propaganda shit basicaly , the Turkish Cypriots under instructions from Turkey walked out of the government and civil servants were ordered by the fanatics to stay home.
Turkey wanted the partition of Cyprus , nothing less and nothing more.The bullshit you keep posting on the Akritas plan is just that .
TURKEY INVADED IN 1974 , NOT TO STOP THE ONGOING MASSACRE OF THE T/Cs , BECAUSE IT SIMPLY WASNT HAPPENING , BUT TO AVERT WHAT IT PRESUMED WAS THE GOAL OF THE COUPISTS UNION WITH GREECE.
Cypriot people both T/Cs and G/Cs are peaceful family orientated folk who want nothing more than peaceful coexistence , they are however hindered by the fanatics.Why is it ask your self that I have NEVER accused any section of the Cypriot community as being totaly at fault , because I'm not a fanatic and because all Cypriots I consider as my people. I detest the involvement of Turkey and Greece and I have referred to these two foreign bloody countries as the deadly cancer of Cyprus.

You support the new regime of he "RoC" and not the Cyprus Republic and you stand there telling me you have a whiter than white idealistic goal. The Akritas Plan and it's effects cannot be stated by propaganda alone mate so just by you saying that what happened didn't happen amounts to jack shit...The results are here for all to see and you are choosing not to see hem...It is you hat is spouting propaganda to cover up what happened...I am just saying it as it is..... I must admit..You fooled me for a while and I thought hat you were genuine in what you wanted but you are just the carrot part of the big GC con trick....Hope you are proud of yourself...

My position has NEVER changed . There is but one island , one Cyprus .
The island belongs to all its people , there are as far as I'm concerned NO Majorities and NO Minorities. I support the government that the entire world recognises as the ONLY LEGITIMATE government of Cyprus.The UN , EU and every other single International body considers the entire island to be part of Cyprus.YOU see the part of North Cyprus as a separate country.NOT SO SAYS THE INTERNATIONA COMMUNITY.
You say I fooled once , how , by perhaps telling the truth based on realities and not propaganda. I have strongly criticized and still do , the promotion of Cyprus as either Greek or Turkish .I have never ever deviated from my position which is : CYPRUS FOR ALL CYPRIOTS - FOREIGN TROOPS OUT OF CYPRUS - MY AMBITION TO SEE A TURKISH CYPRIOT AS THE PRESIDENT OF CYPRUS WITH HIS ALLEGIANCE TO CYPRUS AND NOT THE BLOODY FOREIGN NATIONS TTHAT HAVE CAUSED SO MUCH CONFLICT IN CYPRUS.
Where exactly did I fool you mate ? I have more T/C friends that respect me and my views than you have .You are not representative of the overwhelming majority of T/Cs , you are a partitionist and a fanatic.Im not .
Your comments on me supporting the ROC are incorrect ! I support the government of Cyprus because it is the only government that the International community recognises . What exactly would you expect me to do . Fly the flag of the non recognised , army created regime ?
I do concern my self with actions by the ROC that are not conducive to bringing our people together and I'm vociferous in my condemnation
of such actions.

You are not vociferous enough if you accept the Fait Accompli of the situation...A wrong is a wrong whether the world has had to go along with it or not.

There is no government of Cyprus but a government of the "RoC"..The government of the Cyprus Republic is on hold and may never resurface if you keep supporting the regime responsible for its downfall.

I am not asking you to fly the flag for either side but for the original Cyprus Republic......Which means that the "RoC" is your enemy.

As for more TCs representing you than me.......Take a look at the situation guv.........The TCs live on one side and you live on the other......Stop deluding yourself.

No mate , the majority T/Cs live here in the UK, IN THE AREA THAT YOU ARE REFERING TO THEY ARE BUT A MINORITY.

Keep twisting your words Miltiades...just like Kikapu you are not being truthful....

[miltiades]

Zan , you are talking absolute crap .Propaganda shit basicaly , the Turkish Cypriots under instructions from Turkey walked out of the government and civil servants were ordered by the fanatics to stay home.
Turkey wanted the partition of Cyprus , nothing less and nothing more.The bullshit you keep posting on the Akritas plan is just that .
TURKEY INVADED IN 1974 , NOT TO STOP THE ONGOING MASSACRE OF THE T/Cs , BECAUSE IT SIMPLY WASNT HAPPENING , BUT TO AVERT WHAT IT PRESUMED WAS THE GOAL OF THE COUPISTS UNION WITH GREECE.
Cypriot people both T/Cs and G/Cs are peaceful family orientated folk who want nothing more than peaceful coexistence , they are however hindered by the fanatics.Why is it ask your self that I have NEVER accused any section of the Cypriot community as being totaly at fault , because I'm not a fanatic and because all Cypriots I consider as my people. I detest the involvement of Turkey and Greece and I have referred to these two foreign bloody countries as the deadly cancer of Cyprus.

You support the new regime of he "RoC" and not the Cyprus Republic and you stand there telling me you have a whiter than white idealistic goal. The Akritas Plan and it's effects cannot be stated by propaganda alone mate so just by you saying that what happened didn't happen amounts to jack shit...The results are here for all to see and you are choosing not to see hem...It is you hat is spouting propaganda to cover up what happened...I am just saying it as it is..... I must admit..You fooled me for a while and I thought hat you were genuine in what you wanted but you are just the carrot part of the big GC con trick....Hope you are proud of yourself...

My position has NEVER changed . There is but one island , one Cyprus .
The island belongs to all its people , there are as far as I'm concerned NO Majorities and NO Minorities. I support the government that the entire world recognises as the ONLY LEGITIMATE government of Cyprus.The UN , EU and every other single International body considers the entire island to be part of Cyprus.YOU see the part of North Cyprus as a separate country.NOT SO SAYS THE INTERNATIONA COMMUNITY.
You say I fooled once , how , by perhaps telling the truth based on realities and not propaganda. I have strongly criticized and still do , the promotion of Cyprus as either Greek or Turkish .I have never ever deviated from my position which is : CYPRUS FOR ALL CYPRIOTS - FOREIGN TROOPS OUT OF CYPRUS - MY AMBITION TO SEE A TURKISH CYPRIOT AS THE PRESIDENT OF CYPRUS WITH HIS ALLEGIANCE TO CYPRUS AND NOT THE BLOODY FOREIGN NATIONS TTHAT HAVE CAUSED SO MUCH CONFLICT IN CYPRUS.
Where exactly did I fool you mate ? I have more T/C friends that respect me and my views than you have .You are not representative of the overwhelming majority of T/Cs , you are a partitionist and a fanatic.Im not .
Your comments on me supporting the ROC are incorrect ! I support the government of Cyprus because it is the only government that the International community recognises . What exactly would you expect me to do . Fly the flag of the non recognised , army created regime ?
I do concern my self with actions by the ROC that are not conducive to bringing our people together and I'm vociferous in my condemnation
of such actions.

You are not vociferous enough if you accept the Fait Accompli of the situation...A wrong is a wrong whether the world has had to go along with it or not.

There is no government of Cyprus but a government of the "RoC"..The government of the Cyprus Republic is on hold and may never resurface if you keep supporting the regime responsible for its downfall.

I am not asking you to fly the flag for either side but for the original Cyprus Republic......Which means that the "RoC" is your enemy.

As for more TCs representing you than me.......Take a look at the situation guv.........The TCs live on one side and you live on the other......Stop deluding yourself.

No mate , the majority T/Cs live here in the UK, IN THE AREA THAT YOU ARE REFERING TO THEY ARE BUT A MINORITY.

Keep twisting your words Miltiades...just like Kikapu you are not being truthful....

Zan , will you please tell me why I'm not being truthful , Kikapu IS telling the truth , you are in denial of the truth .Bir is also telling the truth .
What do you mean twisting my words mate , elaborate please .

[observer]

Miltiades is correct, up to a point. Instead of trying to force Enosis by killing TCs, which hadn’t worked in 63, the GC leadership tried to reduce the TC population of Cyprus by stealth, making life in Cyprus as difficult as possible using economic and political means. Anyone who doubts this has only to read the Akritas plan, co-written at the request of the first GC President by the current GC President, ‘the defender of the frontier of Hellenism’.

But this was too slow for some Greeks and GCs, who carried out the coup in 74.

Sampson’s ‘If Turkey had not intervened, I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS (annexation to Greece) - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus’ is often used to claim that TCs would have been killed. The speed with which some massacres took place is an indicator that he would probably have done that, so Turkey would have had that as a justification for intervening,

Less attention, however, is paid to the first part, ‘If Turkey had not intervened, I would ... have proclaimed ENOSIS’. Both the junta in Greece and Sampson fell from power only after, and as a result of, Turkey’s intervention. It is a reasonable supposition that in 74 a declaration of enosis would have succeeded. All GC politicians had been calling for it for years, receiving popular support, and being voted into office. Whatever GCs may say now, Turkey certainly had every reason to fear that it would happen.

If that were the case, Turkey would then have the option of doing nothing, and a reasonable fear of TCs being killed or at least driven off Cyprus, or going to war with what would have then been Greece. Faced with an attack by Turkey on part of Greece, it is reasonable to expect the Greek public to be overcome with patriotism. The result would have been a much bigger war, perhaps spreading to the Aegean, and with a much worse outcome for all Cypriots.

Much of the above is hypothetical since history can not be re-run. But you can not deny that all significant GC politicians were demanding enosis prior to 74 (and I can’t think of one who has publicly recanted to this day) so the above scenario is a very realistic one.