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[zan]

I'm just SICK reading all the bullshit posted by the partitionists justifying the Turkish invasion in order to put an end to the "genocide " taking place . Go on , foreigners , tell us how many Cypriots were murdered prior to the invasion.Many new comers to the forum would be thinking that due to systematic killing of Cypriots Turkey was forced to invade .
Zan you are the one who continually post such nonsense .
Now here is my challenge to you.
HOW MANY CYPRIOTS WERE MASSACRED IN ORDER TO FORCE TURKEY TO INVADE CYPRUS , 7 YEARS BEFORE 1974.
Please tell us.
If you cant then do us a favour and admit that all that you want is for part of our nation to be absorbed by a foreign country that the overwhelming majority of G/Cs and a size able minority of T/Cs see as an occupying power.

I will try to find out how many TCs died while living in Tents and caves and having Makarios stop supplies getting through if you like Miltiades....The fact that the Akritas plan was used to usurp our rights under the Zurich agreement also has slipped your mind I guess....And then then Turkey did not intervene in the seven years you are talking about but when the Greeks invaded the island and tried to take what little we had left..... You are sick and tired....Take a pill and chill out...My stomach is still churning...

No ZAN , the one that is sick with hatred is you mate. My question is very simple . How many T/Cs were killed as a result of inter communal conflict 7 years prior to the invasion by Turkey.Im not disputing the death of hundreds of our people before that date , but since of all propagandists you appear to be the one who is constantly referring to "massacres " then find out from independent sources the number of those killed 7 years prior to the Turkish invasion.
The Akritas plan was before 1967 , the isolation of the T/C community was FATLY WRONG , and those responsible were the G/C fanatics and the T/C fanatics , you know people like you , who instilled the fear of God in their own people in order to achieve their sinister plans.Just look at your pathetic signature. KEPT OUT BY TPAP. !! No T/C is denied his rights in the recognised free ROC , the people who are kept out by the 40 thousand occupying troops are the 200 thousand that lost their ancestral homes . Don't give us propaganda , give us facts.The likes of you are the ones responsible for the continuing stalemate and the quickest you realise that your views are not compatible with the views required to achieve the unification of our island not the annexing of a part of our island to a foreign nation.
I recall in July of 1974 while on holiday in my flat in Famagusta seeing hundreds of T/Cs coming out of the walled city and going without hindrance to their daily chores , this was days before the coup , NOT THE GREEK INVASION , I witnessed no fear in their faces.You and some other fanatics , indoctrinated by propaganda , play the same old tune.We can not live with the G/Cs because they would annihilate us.BULLSHIT.
I can live amongst the T/Cs without the slightest fear apart from concern in coming across the likes of fanatics such as you and VP.

The Akritas plan was used to take my country away from me and the situation has not changed....In 1964 Makarios and Tpap used violence in the pretext to call in the UN. The UN had no choice but to recognise the Greek government in order to come in and save TC lives...What has changed about that position...Nothing...The "RoC" still olds onto my country and you chose to allow them to do so...I thought you had finally rasped hat piece of real information but it seems you haven't and of you have then you are as bad as any EOKA terrorist to allow it to continue.

The rest of your crap about taking a period of relative peace, in which we were still under siege from the original hasty decision by the UN in which the greatest wrong was done to he TC people, and also telling me that they came out of a walled city to go and work. The invasion by Greece happened in 1974 whilst talks were still going on about a solution to the crisis and that is when Turkey responded....It did not take them seven years to cross the sea my friend. The final part f he Akritas plan was under way and the Turks stopped it...Simple as that. You go on supporting the rape of my country and the illegal regime in charge of the "RoC"....You will never get me to sign up to the Fait Accompli of the Akritas plan....

[Viewpoint]

We are not fanatics we are realists and understand that no compromise is possible with a community that do not want to share equally but rather use their numerical advantage to dominate and control the TCs. The treatment of the GC who exchanged his land is a prime example of how GCs can manipulate and discriminate against certain people even in 2007 in an EU country without hindrance. That why there needs to be a structure that will not allow GCs this opportunity to dominate, control and discriminate against TCs and vise verse.

Could you kindly tell us if everyhting was ok leadng up to 1974? how was it for TCs? lets see if you can answer honestly?

[miltiades]

Zan , you are talking absolute crap .Propaganda shit basicaly , the Turkish Cypriots under instructions from Turkey walked out of the government and civil servants were ordered by the fanatics to stay home.
Turkey wanted the partition of Cyprus , nothing less and nothing more.The bullshit you keep posting on the Akritas plan is just that .
TURKEY INVADED IN 1974 , NOT TO STOP THE ONGOING MASSACRE OF THE T/Cs , BECAUSE IT SIMPLY WASNT HAPPENING , BUT TO AVERT WHAT IT PRESUMED WAS THE GOAL OF THE COUPISTS UNION WITH GREECE.
Cypriot people both T/Cs and G/Cs are peaceful family orientated folk who want nothing more than peaceful coexistence , they are however hindered by the fanatics.Why is it ask your self that I have NEVER accused any section of the Cypriot community as being totaly at fault , because I'm not a fanatic and because all Cypriots I consider as my people. I detest the involvement of Turkey and Greece and I have referred to these two foreign bloody countries as the deadly cancer of Cyprus.

[BC Numismatics]

Zan , you are talking absolute crap .Propaganda shit basicaly , the Turkish Cypriots under instructions from Turkey walked out of the government and civil servants were ordered by the fanatics to stay home.
Turkey wanted the partition of Cyprus , nothing less and nothing more.The bullshit you keep posting on the Akritas plan is just that .
TURKEY INVADED IN 1974 , NOT TO STOP THE ONGOING MASSACRE OF THE T/Cs , BECAUSE IT SIMPLY WASNT HAPPENING , BUT TO AVERT WHAT IT PRESUMED WAS THE GOAL OF THE COUPISTS UNION WITH GREECE.
Cypriot people both T/Cs and G/Cs are peaceful family orientated folk who want nothing more than peaceful coexistence , they are however hindered by the fanatics.Why is it ask your self that I have NEVER accused any section of the Cypriot community as being totaly at fault , because I'm not a fanatic and because all Cypriots I consider as my people. I detest the involvement of Turkey and Greece and I have referred to these two foreign bloody countries as the deadly cancer of Cyprus.

Miltiades,HERE! HERE! The U.K. is Cyprus' best friend.They're the only power that has done any good in Cyprus.

Aidan.

[zan]

Zan , you are talking absolute crap .Propaganda shit basicaly , the Turkish Cypriots under instructions from Turkey walked out of the government and civil servants were ordered by the fanatics to stay home.
Turkey wanted the partition of Cyprus , nothing less and nothing more.The bullshit you keep posting on the Akritas plan is just that .
TURKEY INVADED IN 1974 , NOT TO STOP THE ONGOING MASSACRE OF THE T/Cs , BECAUSE IT SIMPLY WASNT HAPPENING , BUT TO AVERT WHAT IT PRESUMED WAS THE GOAL OF THE COUPISTS UNION WITH GREECE.
Cypriot people both T/Cs and G/Cs are peaceful family orientated folk who want nothing more than peaceful coexistence , they are however hindered by the fanatics.Why is it ask your self that I have NEVER accused any section of the Cypriot community as being totaly at fault , because I'm not a fanatic and because all Cypriots I consider as my people. I detest the involvement of Turkey and Greece and I have referred to these two foreign bloody countries as the deadly cancer of Cyprus.

You support the new regime of he "RoC" and not the Cyprus Republic and you stand there telling me you have a whiter than white idealistic goal. The Akritas Plan and it's effects cannot be stated by propaganda alone mate so just by you saying that what happened didn't happen amounts to jack shit...The results are here for all to see and you are choosing not to see hem...It is you hat is spouting propaganda to cover up what happened...I am just saying it as it is..... I must admit..You fooled me for a while and I thought hat you were genuine in what you wanted but you are just the carrot part of the big GC con trick....Hope you are proud of yourself...

[BC Numismatics]

Zan,don't you mean the 'Cypriot Republic'? One day,there will be a new Cyprus - a Federal Republic of Cyprus,in which all the Cypriot people are all citizens,irrespective of what language they speak.

Aidan.

[zan]

Zan,don't you mean the 'Cypriot Republic'? One day,there will be a new Cyprus - a Federal Republic of Cyprus,in which all the Cypriot people are all citizens,irrespective of what language they speak.

Aidan.

You need to sell hat idea to the GCs mate because they have no intention of anything fair and just as that.....

[74LB]

miltiades

I recall in July of 1974 while on holiday in my flat in Famagusta seeing hundreds of T/Cs coming out of the walled city and going without hindrance to their daily chores , this was days before the coup ......

I too was in Famagusta in July 74 and prior to the coup there may well have been 'normal' existence, but in the 5 days leading up to 20th July the vast majority of TC's remained well within their boundaries. They were scared shitless of say venturing out, or going into Varosha, or other areas through the uncertainty of what was going on.

There is no doubt in any TC mind that the Turkish armies intervention put a stop to any possible uprising against the TC community. In the madness that was the coup, who really knows what the final outcome would have been.
Just think of those poor moslem souls in Srebrenica where the whole world watched and knew they would be massacred and did NOTHING to prevent it, with or without the UN and so-called safe havens.

[zan]

miltiades

I recall in July of 1974 while on holiday in my flat in Famagusta seeing hundreds of T/Cs coming out of the walled city and going without hindrance to their daily chores , this was days before the coup ......

I too was in Famagusta in July 74 and prior to the coup there may well have been 'normal' existence, but in the 5 days leading up to 20th July the vast majority of TC's remained well within their boundaries. They were scared shitless of say venturing out, or going into Varosha, or other areas through the uncertainty of what was going on.

There is no doubt in any TC mind that the Turkish armies intervention put a stop to any possible uprising against the TC community. In the madness that was the coup, who really knows what the final outcome would have been.
Just think of those poor moslem souls in Srebrenica where the whole world watched and knew they would be massacred and did NOTHING to prevent it, with or without the UN and so-called safe havens.

Thank you 74LB. He is not interested in hearing that...Reality sucks for these people.

[miltiades]

Zan , you are talking absolute crap .Propaganda shit basicaly , the Turkish Cypriots under instructions from Turkey walked out of the government and civil servants were ordered by the fanatics to stay home.
Turkey wanted the partition of Cyprus , nothing less and nothing more.The bullshit you keep posting on the Akritas plan is just that .
TURKEY INVADED IN 1974 , NOT TO STOP THE ONGOING MASSACRE OF THE T/Cs , BECAUSE IT SIMPLY WASNT HAPPENING , BUT TO AVERT WHAT IT PRESUMED WAS THE GOAL OF THE COUPISTS UNION WITH GREECE.
Cypriot people both T/Cs and G/Cs are peaceful family orientated folk who want nothing more than peaceful coexistence , they are however hindered by the fanatics.Why is it ask your self that I have NEVER accused any section of the Cypriot community as being totaly at fault , because I'm not a fanatic and because all Cypriots I consider as my people. I detest the involvement of Turkey and Greece and I have referred to these two foreign bloody countries as the deadly cancer of Cyprus.

You support the new regime of he "RoC" and not the Cyprus Republic and you stand there telling me you have a whiter than white idealistic goal. The Akritas Plan and it's effects cannot be stated by propaganda alone mate so just by you saying that what happened didn't happen amounts to jack shit...The results are here for all to see and you are choosing not to see hem...It is you hat is spouting propaganda to cover up what happened...I am just saying it as it is..... I must admit..You fooled me for a while and I thought hat you were genuine in what you wanted but you are just the carrot part of the big GC con trick....Hope you are proud of yourself...

My position has NEVER changed . There is but one island , one Cyprus .
The island belongs to all its people , there are as far as I'm concerned NO Majorities and NO Minorities. I support the government that the entire world recognises as the ONLY LEGITIMATE government of Cyprus.The UN , EU and every other single International body considers the entire island to be part of Cyprus.YOU see the part of North Cyprus as a separate country.NOT SO SAYS THE INTERNATIONA COMMUNITY.
You say I fooled once , how , by perhaps telling the truth based on realities and not propaganda. I have strongly criticized and still do , the promotion of Cyprus as either Greek or Turkish .I have never ever deviated from my position which is : CYPRUS FOR ALL CYPRIOTS - FOREIGN TROOPS OUT OF CYPRUS - MY AMBITION TO SEE A TURKISH CYPRIOT AS THE PRESIDENT OF CYPRUS WITH HIS ALLEGIANCE TO CYPRUS AND NOT THE BLOODY FOREIGN NATIONS TTHAT HAVE CAUSED SO MUCH CONFLICT IN CYPRUS.
Where exactly did I fool you mate ? I have more T/C friends that respect me and my views than you have .You are not representative of the overwhelming majority of T/Cs , you are a partitionist and a fanatic.Im not .
Your comments on me supporting the ROC are incorrect ! I support the government of Cyprus because it is the only government that the International community recognises . What exactly would you expect me to do . Fly the flag of the non recognised , army created regime ?
I do concern my self with actions by the ROC that are not conducive to bringing our people together and I'm vociferous in my condemnation
of such actions.