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[shahmaran]

Well which one is it then Kikapu?

Why don't you just answer the man, i have not seen you once, not ONCE say anything remotely positive about us or our cause, other then a few reminiscence's of your childhood, it really begs the question of who you really are, you cant blame people for doubting since you simply come across to be a GC who is only claiming to be a TC.

And i am trying to be as objective as possible here, after all i do not know you nor i have any issues with you and more importantly i have no reason to insult you in any kind of way.

[umit07]

WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER KIKAPU????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[RAFAELLA]

U said it

TRNC Government

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is a democratic, secular republic based on the principles of social justice and the rule of law. The Constitution provides for a semi-presidential system with a president as the head of state, and a council of ministers composed of prime minister and 10 ministers. Legislative power is vested in the Legislative Assembly, composed of 50 deputies elected by universal suffrage for a period of five years. Judicial power is exercised through independent courts.

Prime Minister Mehmet Ali Talat

Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Serdar Denktaş

Minister of Finance Ahmet Uzun

Minister of Youth and Sports Özkan Yorgancıoğlu

Minister of Education and Culture Erbil Akbil

Minister of Health ve Social Aid Hüseyin Celal

Minister of Public Works and Transport Ömer Kalyoncu

Minister of Interior Özkan Murat

Minister of Labor and Social Security Erkan Emekçi

Minister of Economy and Tourism Ayşe Dönmezer

Minister of Agriculture and Forestry Raşit Pertev

The Circus is complete!

[umit07]

All of our guys could never be as funny as your one man show MATSAKIS. I just love that guy

[miltiades]

Well which one is it then Kikapu?

Why don't you just answer the man, i have not seen you once, not ONCE say anything remotely positive about us or our cause, other then a few reminiscence's of your childhood, it really begs the question of who you really are, you cant blame people for doubting since you simply come across to be a GC who is only claiming to be a TC.

And i am trying to be as objective as possible here, after all i do not know you nor i have any issues with you and more importantly i have no reason to insult you in any kind of way.

Which exactly is your cause Shah. You refer to Turkey as "us" therefore on your admission you are not a Cyprit , you consider Cyprus as part of Turkey and Kikapu , being a true Cypriot , considers Cyprus as a separate nation from that of Turkey ! The nation of Cyprus , neither Greek , Turkish , North or South.

[shahmaran]

I never said i consider myself as a part of Turkey Miltiades, i am a TC whether you like it or not, i just cant find this attitude of you people regarding "true Cypriotnes" convincing enough, since it implies that these 2 so called "true Cypriots" who don't even live in Cyprus claim to be more Cypriots then us people who actually live here, sorry but it is not only patronising but also pretty delusive.

If you LOVE Cyprus SO much then you should be here not there, at least Kikapu should as we seem to be a bit short of "true TC's" here

[Kikapu]

Well which one is it then Kikapu?

Why don't you just answer the man, i have not seen you once, not ONCE say anything remotely positive about us or our cause, other then a few reminiscence's of your childhood, it really begs the question of who you really are, you cant blame people for doubting since you simply come across to be a GC who is only claiming to be a TC.

And i am trying to be as objective as possible here, after all i do not know you nor i have any issues with you and more importantly i have no reason to insult you in any kind of way.

Hi Shah,

Answer what exactly Shah.?? Just because Zan and others lose an argument and are unable to accept some truth, they want to lash out by trying to discredit others argument by attaching labels to them. Zan argument is self defeating from the start. In order for me to "convert" to be a GC, then I must be/had been a TC first. Now do you see how Zan loses his own argument even before I need to answer him in a serious way. By pointing out reality Shah, that does not make me a GC. If it did, then the end conclusion can only be, that no TC's are able to see reality or worse, speak the truth., so I would be very careful on how you reach your conclusions about me.

Now you are asking me the same question that VP has been asking me for the last year or so, regarding the " not ONCE say anything remotely positive about us or our cause", and my answer to him finally was, if it means violation of other Cypriots Human Rights, then NO, I cannot think of one, but if I do not take into account of other Cypriots Human Rights violations, then I can say a lot of "positives". Given the above two choices, even VP could not answer his own question, so perhaps you would like to have a go and see how you would do Shah.

I'm an independent thinking TC who does not like to see what the leaders of his community are doing to the True TC's. If you are happy Shah, since most TC's are not speaking up as to what is happening to our unique TC culture and language by being flooded with the Turkish settlers to turn the North into "little Turkey", then remain quiet. You actually have more to lose than me, since you live in Cyprus. If I wanted to spend time in a real True Turkish culture, I would visit Turkey, as I have done so on many occasions. Having said all that Shah, I also understand your own personal situation, having been born into that system of the "TRNC". That's all you know. That's all you have seen, and that's all you have been told growing up. You are an "innocent bystander" Shah. You have done nothing wrong, just like T_C. You want to support your elders, because that is what is expected of you, so I do not blame you for questioning as to who I am. You already know who I am Shah. I am you.!

[observer]

U said it

TRNC Government

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is a democratic, secular republic based on the principles of social justice and the rule of law. The Constitution provides for a semi-presidential system with a president as the head of state, and a council of ministers composed of prime minister and 10 ministers. Legislative power is vested in the Legislative Assembly, composed of 50 deputies elected by universal suffrage for a period of five years. Judicial power is exercised through independent courts.

Prime Minister Mehmet Ali Talat

Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Serdar Denktaş

Minister of Finance Ahmet Uzun

Minister of Youth and Sports Özkan Yorgancıoğlu

Minister of Education and Culture Erbil Akbil

Minister of Health ve Social Aid Hüseyin Celal

Minister of Public Works and Transport Ömer Kalyoncu

Minister of Interior Özkan Murat

Minister of Labor and Social Security Erkan Emekçi

Minister of Economy and Tourism Ayşe Dönmezer

Minister of Agriculture and Forestry Raşit Pertev

The Circus is complete!

On this occasion, a genuinely witty comment. I like it!

[shahmaran]

Well maybe the "reality" is that we are not exactly free here so people might be a little more reluctant to speak about it compared to you since their lives depend on it and you might have the luxury to be a little more careless about it, and maybe even a bit too tilted on the wrong side. (and i don't mean they are worried about their safety for being outspoken but maybe about the outcome which might affect the situation, therefore their lifestyle) Because nothing is certain including what the RoC has in mind. I mean there are actual GC's here who don't give as much credit to the RoC as you do. Dint you think that's a little odd?

Yes we also might not like our politicians nor Turkeys politicians, i mean who does, but that does not mean that we think our well being lies in the hands of TPap or anyone else on the other side, because it doesn't!

And like you say "this" might be all i know now but I think the Cyprus you know is long gone and might not ever return, while it may help you be the ideological man that you are, today it makes it look like you have totally turned your back against us.

Plus i do not see how our unique culture would be under threat by the flooding of the Turkish settlers since we will always be a minority amongst many other ethnicity's even if we do unite, we always were, if it hasn't happened before why should it happen now? Why should the Turks affect our culture any more than the Chinese or the Russians living in the South?

I mean what is the TC culture anyways, is it any different to the GC culture? I thought we were all Cypriots? Or True Cypriots as you put it, even if we are divided.

I know many Turkish settlers here, and to be honest they all sound like we do now, they consider themselves Cypriot, it is them who is getting assimilated, so what is the worry?

[Kikapu]

Well maybe the "reality" is that we are not exactly free here so people might be a little more reluctant to speak about it compared to you since their lives depend on it and you might have the luxury to be a little more careless about it, and maybe even a bit too tilted on the wrong side. (and i don't mean they are worried about their safety for being outspoken but maybe about the outcome which might affect the situation, therefore their lifestyle) Because nothing is certain including what the RoC has in mind. I mean there are actual GC's here who don't give as much credit to the RoC as you do. Dint you think that's a little odd?

Yes we also might not like our politicians nor Turkeys politicians, i mean who does, but that does not mean that we think our well being lies in the hands of TPap or anyone else on the other side, because it doesn't!

And like you say "this" might be all i know now but I think the Cyprus you know is long gone and might not ever return, while it may help you be the ideological man that you are, today it makes it look like you have totally turned your back against us.

Plus i do not see how our unique culture would be under threat by the flooding of the Turkish settlers since we will always be a minority amongst many other ethnicity's even if we do unite, we always were, if it hasn't happened before why should it happen now? Why should the Turks affect our culture any more than the Chinese or the Russians living in the South?

I mean what is the TC culture anyways, is it any different to the GC culture? I thought we were all Cypriots? Or True Cypriots as you put it, even if we are divided.

I know many Turkish settlers here, and to be honest they all sound like we do now, they consider themselves Cypriot, it is them who is getting assimilated, so what is the worry?

Shah,

If you have noticed, and by the looks of it, you have not, given your remark at the top of your post, I am not praising anything that is RoC. I'm too bloody busy with our shortcomings before I can worry about theirs. I let out good friend Bananiot do that.

Yes, I know you are limited to what you can say and what you cannot say. We know this because T_C did not write his experiences of his Cyprus visit, only because he is way to honest to lie, so it was safer for him not to write then write anything negative, even mixed in with anything positive he may have had to say. That is the reason I'm careful how I address some of you on the forum, because I do understand the dilemma that some of you are in.

Our unique TC culture is the same as the GC's, which is different than from Turkey and Greece. You may say that the settlers are assimilating to our Cypriot culture, but the rules of the game are changing Shah, and pretty soon, we will need to go with the flow with the overpowering settlers numbers with the TC's. Why do you think over whelming majority of the TC's did not say yes to a Partition in the last survey. They know, if we break away from the Cyprus Republic or do not form another kind of system, like a True Federation, then we will be swamped and will not have a voice, and the "government" is selling citizenship's to the settlers. I have never in my life ever heard of another nation telling, blackmailing, coercing another "state" to make certain number of settlers a TC citizens, or else. Just what do you think the purpose of that is Shah. They are already in the "state", why do they need to be "citizens".

Well, only "citizens" are allowed to vote, and only by voting thing can be changed, and once the TC's lose their voting voice, you will not have any say so in the "TRNC" any more. Shah, in London the TC's cannot stand the sight of most Turks or "karasakal" as they call them. My sister in law is from Turkey, and she does not like most of the Turks, even when she visits her village in Turkey. My twin sister is married to a wonderful Turk and lives in Turkey for the last 30+ years, so I'm not saying Turks are bad, they are just different from us. Last time I was in Turkey and talking with the taxi driver in Turkish on the way to the hotel, he said to me, "you know, for a foreigner, your Turkish isn't too bad".

Lastly Shah, the last 400+ years we did not lose our Turkish Cypriotness to the GC's in Cyprus, but if the present course is not changed in the "TRNC", we will lose our unique Turkish Cypriotness at a rapid pace. I can only hope that we can agree on a fair solution with the GC's, so to be able to save ourselves, from ourselves.