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[Pumpy]

1) The polarisation of Hellenic politics in the 70s (extreme Left Vs Extreme Right), culminating in the development of EOKA which, in its second incarnation as EOKA B, performed the role of a nasty murderous terror outfit which backed the laughable, pathetic tin-pot dictators that formed the Junta of Greece.

2) The backwards, ill-educated, static, peasanty, villagey, stupid population of Cyprus, post 50s, which found itself in the position of having to run its own affairs after centuries of tilling the land and seeing foreign powers run shit for them. All the while, technology and modern practices began to set a pace, while emphasis on schooling and education remained low.

The two combined helped to ferment and develop a political situation that led to the Cyprus problem. It's all very well finding a nice easy scapegoat for things (Any one of the bigger powers at play. If you're Piratis, it's ALL the UK's fault.) But when it really boils down to it, the Cypriots, and I mean the GCs really, fucked it all up.

And I say this as a half GC.

[umit07]

Thanks, for having the balls to admit it.

[zan]

1) The polarisation of Hellenic politics in the 70s (extreme Left Vs Extreme Right), culminating in the development of EOKA which, in its second incarnation as EOKA B, performed the role of a nasty murderous terror outfit which backed the laughable, pathetic tin-pot dictators that formed the Junta of Greece.

2) The backwards, ill-educated, static, peasanty, villagey, stupid population of Cyprus, post 50s, which found itself in the position of having to run its own affairs after centuries of tilling the land and seeing foreign powers run shit for them. All the while, technology and modern practices began to set a pace, while emphasis on schooling and education remained low.

The two combined helped to ferment and develop a political situation that led to the Cyprus problem. It's all very well finding a nice easy scapegoat for things (Any one of the bigger powers at play. If you're Piratis, it's ALL the UK's fault.) But when it really boils down to it, the Cypriots, and I mean the GCs really, fucked it all up.

And I say this as a half GC.

How about half a sorry then

[Pumpy]

Well there's no getting away from it. The population of Cyprus in the 60s and 70s was alarmingly ill-educated, ill-informed and unaware of basic goings on in political life. So the nation literally 'sleep-walked' into a virtual suicidal extreme right wing nationalistic policy (enosis).

There was no 'real' proper mandate for it. The policy was pressed through by bully boys, thugs and nationalists. It was a foolish, not to mention undemocratic, dangerous, ill-judged and ill-timed policy.

I could have told you, were I around in the late 60s, that the pursuit of Enosis (joining forces with a country hundreds of miles away and run by nasty, vicious army-uniform-wearing dictators) would have led to a Turkish invasion.

It should have been fucking obvious. But noooo, they had to initiate a coup, kick out the democratically elected President and try and strongarm a docile nation into a position of complicity with ethnic cleansing and fascism.

Nice! Well played Cyprus. Well fucking played.

Look at you now.

[zan]

Well there's no getting away from it. The population of Cyprus in the 60s and 70s was alarmingly ill-educated, ill-informed and unaware of basic goings on in political life. So the nation literally 'sleep-walked' into a virtual suicidal extreme right wing nationalistic policy (enosis).

There was no 'real' proper mandate for it. The policy was pressed through by bully boys, thugs and nationalists. It was a foolish, not to mention undemocratic, dangerous, ill-judged and ill-timed policy.

I could have told you, were I around in the late 60s, that the pursuit of Enosis (joining forces with a country hundreds of miles away and run by nasty, vicious army-uniform-wearing dictators) would have led to a Turkish invasion.

It should have been fucking obvious. But noooo, they had to initiate a coup, kick out the democratically elected President and try and strongarm a docile nation into a position of complicity with ethnic cleansing and fascism.

Nice! Well played Cyprus. Well fucking played.

Look at you now.

As I said in another thread...Churchill told them what would happen......

[umit07]

They knew Turkey was gonna intervene in the end, thats why the entire island had pill boxes at all possible landing areas.

My personal feelings pumpy is that the mentality in most GC's heads hasn't changed much in all that time.

[andreas123]

so wait a second guys are saying that the GC'S are 100% to blame?

ok, yeah because all the TC'S at the time where f*** scientist's right? oh and TMT never ever existed...and because the UK never fiddled with any of their colonies? the "divide and conquer" politics applied to many of these colonies was just something people made up to blame the Empire.......ok,,,if that makes you happy then i quess we are to blame.......

i am not sayign your points are not valid...sure,,the inexperience,education,the influence of greece are to blame aswell etc etc and are important points i agree..but i think that there weere things in play at the time that no one really knows,,, so whatever you say so biased and unsupported that''s it simply makes this post utterly pointless....

[Pumpy]

I never said those key factors were THE factors. I said they were the 'key' factors, hence the word, key.

I also never said it was the Greek Cypriots that were stupid, villagey and ill-informed. I said 'population of Cyprus'.

My historical reading on the Cyprus Problem reveals that the TC rebels or fighters or whatever you want to call them, were vastly outnumbered and sprang up as a direct result of the one-sided attacks on TC communities by GCs. It was a reaction not a deliberate plot, to fight back.

The 'troubles' in Cyprus is one of those few events in history where internecine warfare can be traced back to the actions of ONE side, as opposed to a mix of both or more.

Sorry, fellow GCs, it's time to bite the bullet, own up to a large percentage of the blame and seek to put things right with your TCs cousins across the line.

[purdey]

OK let's put some of the blame on the Colonialists.
Can you explain to me in rational terms,why if British rule was so barbaric and hated by Cypriots,why the continued tourism,buisiness links.I would have thought if we were or are hated so much you would have severed all links.
Or is this maybe another wait until your back is turned tactic....

[umit07]

andreas123 no one can be 100% to blame. But GC's gotta come clean and stop bitching that the entire dispute started after turkish interveniton. If the british were to blame for the outcome why don't they recognise the TRNC and make the divison even stronger?