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[zan]

OK let's put some of the blame on the Colonialists.
Can you explain to me in rational terms,why if British rule was so barbaric and hated by Cypriots,why the continued tourism,buisiness links.I would have thought if we were or are hated so much you would have severed all links.
Or is this maybe another wait until your back is turned tactic....

The Brits and the Turks got in the way of ENOSIS...Plain and simple....

[purdey]

Hey umit07 don't you start blaming the British as well...

[umit07]

Pudrey I'm not here to blame the british for the entire dispute but since you brought it up I don't like British international policies. That doesn't mean I have to hate their guts though mate. Look what happened in Gallipoli Turks, English, Anzacs, Commonwelth missionaries fought a bloody battle 100s of 1000s of people died but after all of that Turkey and Britain became allies. This made me remember something that Ataturk once said;

"Those heroes that shed their blood
and lost their lives;
You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country.
Therefore rest in peace.
There is no difference between the Johnnies
and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side
here in this country of ours.
You, the mothers,
who sent their sons from far away countries,
wipe away your tears;
your sons are now lying in our bosom
and are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land they have
become our sons as well."

Ataturk 1934

[purdey]

Excellent reply..thankyou.

[eracles]

what a load of crap - - who can make the real difference in Cyprus? Wasn't Turkey always kicking itself at losing Cyprus to the brits? Was Turkey really looking for a peaceful situation in Cyprus? Was Britain really looking for a peaceful situation - was Greece? Who were in the positions of real power here? Ill-educated GCs?

[Expatkiwi]

what a load of crap - - who can make the real difference in Cyprus? Wasn't Turkey always kicking itself at losing Cyprus to the brits? Was Turkey really looking for a peaceful situation in Cyprus? Was Britain really looking for a peaceful situation - was Greece? Who were in the positions of real power here? Ill-educated GCs?

Unfortunately, not ill-educated. The G/C's who wanted enosis were very cold and calculating.

[eracles]

As were the British, the Turks and Greece...

[Viewpoint]

I never said those key factors were THE factors. I said they were the 'key' factors, hence the word, key.

I also never said it was the Greek Cypriots that were stupid, villagey and ill-informed. I said 'population of Cyprus'.

My historical reading on the Cyprus Problem reveals that the TC rebels or fighters or whatever you want to call them, were vastly outnumbered and sprang up as a direct result of the one-sided attacks on TC communities by GCs. It was a reaction not a deliberate plot, to fight back.

The 'troubles' in Cyprus is one of those few events in history where internecine warfare can be traced back to the actions of ONE side, as opposed to a mix of both or more.

Sorry, fellow GCs, it's time to bite the bullet, own up to a large percentage of the blame and seek to put things right with your TCs cousins across the line.

Pumpy Im still in shock

[eracles]

The 'troubles' in Cyprus is one of those few events in history where internecine warfare can be traced back to the actions of ONE side, as opposed to a mix of both or more.

Pumpy Im still in shock

A very simplistic evaluation Pumpy - of course if you disregard turks, turkish cypriots and greeks...then you're correct.

[Pumpy]

Well, the TCs just sat around in shock, watching events unfold, as they saw their families and friends get blown out of their homes with grenades and shot on their way out.

The Turks on the mainland sat around biding their time, issuing warning after warning until the time was right.

And the Greeks talked the talk, but when it came down to it, in typical Greek fashion, they either couldn't or wouldn't walk the walk. Bravado bullshitting big mouth Johnny Big Bollocks all mouth and no trousers pricks that they were. Led by a right royal runty bunch of wankers.

So all in all, my post stands correct - the 2 key factors were ignorance and nationalism.