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Oh Kikapu you even claimed the ICG was "biased".....you try and discredit everything proTC you hear....and it seems the only person you're fooling is yourself

[Kikapu]

Oh Kikapu you even claimed the ICG was "biased".....you try and discredit everything proTC you hear....and it seems the only person you're fooling is yourself

... if you are referring to the last post you made from them, then how was I wrong my good friend.!

[Nikitas]

"Schroeder is visiting the Republic of Cyprus" the German foreign ministry stressed today Jan 31. In other words there should be no confusion or day dreaming about the significance of the visit. It was also stressed that he is not flying directly to the north but via Turkey.

[denizaksulu]

MR. Shroeder still punches pretty hard in Germany ...Make no mistake about that either.....

Seems like the old boy punches pretty hard in the marriage bed too zan, he's been married four times ! (Hmm, or maybe he doesn't 'punch' quite hard enough in the right places !)

....or he has so much to give.

[halil]

Former German Chancellor in bid to boost business to the north
By Simon Bahceli

FORMER German Chancellor Gerhard Schroder will fly into the north on Friday in an apparent effort to boost business in the breakaway Turkish Cypriot state, the German Embassy confirmed yesterday.

Speaking to the Cyprus Mail, Deputy Head of Mission at the German Embassy Joachim Heidorn said, “I can confirm that he is coming to the island on Friday and that he will be accompanied by a group of businessmen.” Heidorn stressed however that Schroder was visiting the island as a “private citizen” and not as a representative of the German government.

“He is no longer an MP; he is an employee of Gazprom,” Heidorn said.

However, links between the Schroder visit and Gazprom were played down yesterday by head of the north’s Chamber of Commerce Hasan Ince, who said that the planned meetings had more to do with efforts to generate business links between the north and Germany.

“We’ll be holding talks with businessmen involved primarily in tourism, but also some other fields,” Ince told the Mail.

While Ince refused to be drawn on what the “other fields” might be under discussion, attention has focused on wealthy Turkish Cypriot businessman Ali Ozmen Safa, who recently unveiled ambitious plans to bring electricity to the north of the island via underground cables from Turkey. Thoughts of a link between the energy giant and power projects involving the north were further boosted by the fact that Safa’s Star Kibris was first to break the news of Schroeder’s visit yesterday morning.

Spokesman for the Turkish Cypriot leadership Hasan Ercakica yesterday, for his part, focused on the political significance of the visit, saying it would be “positive” as it would attract German media to the north. He added that Schroder’s visit had received the backing of Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008

Halil,

Thanks for posting "yesterday's news".!!!

He is a "private citizen" and a business man in Russia last time I looked and not a political figure anymore, therefore he can go any place he wishes

Perhaps they want "Gazprom" for Lateral Oil Drilling all the way to South of the island. ???

Kikapu,

If his visit wasn't that much important . Why Greek side of the Cyprus president Tpap. said on today papers he is in shocked .Why Gerhard Schroder still supporting the Turkish Cypriots ? This very important part of the arguments my dear Kikapu.It doesn't matter what positions he has now.Don't forget that civilians are directing the politician's all need the ordinary people votes to stay at power. Lobbying is very important in these days politics.Even you are 100 % right with your demands no one cares about you. That's what was happening all those years to TC's.
We all know what was happened in Cyprus after forming the ROC. Still to many arguments goes on . Most of the decisions are taken by the UN's are wrong. We , The Cypriots are knowing the Truth.But lobbies and propaganda machines are showing the things differently and rest of the world thinks that it was like that.
my advise to you don't take this movement very simple and good for nothing. We will see the effects later on.

Halil,

I have one question for you.

Who is your speech writer. ?? You did not write the above post yourself, so who wrote it Halil.??

Regardless, Gerhard Schroder is just a "private citizen" and a business man. I cannot read anymore into his visit to the "TRNC" than that. I know he is a much bigger figure than anyone else may have visited the "TRNC" in recent history, even over shadowing President Gul, as far as world recognition goes, but he is sill a "private citizen" that did not even stay the night. Time is money as the head of Gazprom, who is also a close friends with Putin. So, how much is Putin supporting the "TRNC" cause.?? Answer that question, then you can crow about Schroder's visit as being more than a business trip.

Kikapu,
do you think i can not write by my self mate. U making big mistake.....
Kikapu, Why you are always getting excited whenever positive things are goes on at our side.
It is none of your business mate . Kikap'cuğum this is politics mate . Times are not the old times anymore .Time is communication time.At this time Turkish Cypriots are started organising well mate. We are not at 60's anymore that media was under the control of the GC's that world was only hearing what they were telling them.
I was at YD university at other day . There was a lot's of diplomats mate I heard with my own ears mate what they were talking man...... You keep dreaming and call where we live .days will come very soon and we will see that........ farm you calling how improved her self.
funny thing we musn't have rights to do business that!s what you are all moaning about. we do mate.we do business with every where .At the moment we are doing via Turkey but soon you will see . we will do it directly and no one can stop it.
Money speak man , money. No one will wait mate another 50 years or more.

[paaul12]

Bayrak television 30.01.08 broadcast the following from The TRNC Lefkosia:

Cuneyt Zapsu, an advisor to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has said that the former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroders visit to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is not only a symbolic political visit, but a move which will lead to important results.

Mr Zapsu will accompany Mr Schroder during his TRNC visit, which is to start on Friday.

Mr Zapsu told BRT that the former German Chancellor will give an important message by using Ercan Airport to enter The TRNC and by visiting President Mehmet Ali Talat at the Presidential Palace.

The advisor added that Mr Schroder will also be bringing important messages to President Talat and Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer.

Stating that Mr Schroder will arrive in the TRNC with a large group of German businessmen, he said a meeting will be held at the Turkish Cypriot Chamber of Commerce between Turkish Cypriot and German businessmen.

`So Mr Schroeders visit will not only be a symbolic visit, but one which will lead to important results`, he noted.



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A good year 2008 for The TRNC

[zan]

Bayrak television 30.01.08 broadcast the following from The TRNC Lefkosia:

Cuneyt Zapsu, an advisor to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has said that the former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroders visit to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is not only a symbolic political visit, but a move which will lead to important results.

Mr Zapsu will accompany Mr Schroder during his TRNC visit, which is to start on Friday.

Mr Zapsu told BRT that the former German Chancellor will give an important message by using Ercan Airport to enter The TRNC and by visiting President Mehmet Ali Talat at the Presidential Palace.

The advisor added that Mr Schroder will also be bringing important messages to President Talat and Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer.

Stating that Mr Schroder will arrive in the TRNC with a large group of German businessmen, he said a meeting will be held at the Turkish Cypriot Chamber of Commerce between Turkish Cypriot and German businessmen.

`So Mr Schroeders visit will not only be a symbolic visit, but one which will lead to important results`, he noted.

When I keep telling these people that there is more than one way to skin a cat, they do not quite get what I am saying.......The "RoC" has a problem with Germany trading with the TRNC/KKTC then Germany doesn't do business with us.....The German people do......



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A good year 2008 for The TRNC

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

If his visit wasn't that much important . Why Greek side of the Cyprus president Tpap. said on today papers he is in shocked .Why Gerhard Schroder still supporting the Turkish Cypriots ? This very important part of the arguments my dear Kikapu.It doesn't matter what positions he has now.Don't forget that civilians are directing the politician's all need the ordinary people votes to stay at power. Lobbying is very important in these days politics.Even you are 100 % right with your demands no one cares about you. That's what was happening all those years to TC's.
We all know what was happened in Cyprus after forming the ROC. Still to many arguments goes on . Most of the decisions are taken by the UN's are wrong. We , The Cypriots are knowing the Truth.But lobbies and propaganda machines are showing the things differently and rest of the world thinks that it was like that.
my advise to you don't take this movement very simple and good for nothing. We will see the effects later on.

Halil,

I have one question for you.

Who is your speech writer. ?? You did not write the above post yourself, so who wrote it Halil.??

Regardless, Gerhard Schroder is just a "private citizen" and a business man. I cannot read anymore into his visit to the "TRNC" than that. I know he is a much bigger figure than anyone else may have visited the "TRNC" in recent history, even over shadowing President Gul, as far as world recognition goes, but he is sill a "private citizen" that did not even stay the night. Time is money as the head of Gazprom, who is also a close friends with Putin. So, how much is Putin supporting the "TRNC" cause.?? Answer that question, then you can crow about Schroder's visit as being more than a business trip.

Kikapu,
do you think i can not write by my self mate. U making big mistake.....
Kikapu, Why you are always getting excited whenever positive things are goes on at our side.
It is none of your business mate . Kikap'cuğum this is politics mate . Times are not the old times anymore .Time is communication time.At this time Turkish Cypriots are started organising well mate. We are not at 60's anymore that media was under the control of the GC's that world was only hearing what they were telling them.
I was at YD university at other day . There was a lot's of diplomats mate I heard with my own ears mate what they were talking man...... You keep dreaming and call where we live .days will come very soon and we will see that........ farm you calling how improved her self.
funny thing we musn't have rights to do business that!s what you are all moaning about. we do mate.we do business with every where .At the moment we are doing via Turkey but soon you will see . we will do it directly and no one can stop it.
Money speak man , money. No one will wait mate another 50 years or more.

Halil,

Nice to have the real Halil back. In the future Halil, I will not be responding to your "speech writer".

Halil, did I not say that Schroders visit will be as a business man.?? Have I not said, that he is there for business.?? That's what business people do. They do business where ever it is possible. Who is arguing about that. It is all you hopefuls that read way too much into his visit, as if he can make any decisions to turn the "TRNC" into a legal entity. You people need to start playing in the major leagues and not the minors, where you hang onto every little bone throw at you, as a sign that you are on your way to becoming a UN and EU member. We still need to find proper peace in Cyprus and not some back door schnanigans.

Cuneyt Zapsu, an advisor to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has said that the former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroders visit to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is not only a symbolic political visit, but a move which will lead to important results.

No professional diplomat ever announces what the subject matter or the conclusions of a meeting that has not taken place yet. I hope you will not take any disappointments too hard Halil. Lets just wait and see what comes out of the meeting. All this Fanfare before anything is known, is very amateurish to say the least. Then again, we are talking about the "TRNC government".

[denizaksulu]

Kikapu,

If his visit wasn't that much important . Why Greek side of the Cyprus president Tpap. said on today papers he is in shocked .Why Gerhard Schroder still supporting the Turkish Cypriots ? This very important part of the arguments my dear Kikapu.It doesn't matter what positions he has now.Don't forget that civilians are directing the politician's all need the ordinary people votes to stay at power. Lobbying is very important in these days politics.Even you are 100 % right with your demands no one cares about you. That's what was happening all those years to TC's.
We all know what was happened in Cyprus after forming the ROC. Still to many arguments goes on . Most of the decisions are taken by the UN's are wrong. We , The Cypriots are knowing the Truth.But lobbies and propaganda machines are showing the things differently and rest of the world thinks that it was like that.
my advise to you don't take this movement very simple and good for nothing. We will see the effects later on.

Halil,

I have one question for you.

Who is your speech writer. ?? You did not write the above post yourself, so who wrote it Halil.??

Regardless, Gerhard Schroder is just a "private citizen" and a business man. I cannot read anymore into his visit to the "TRNC" than that. I know he is a much bigger figure than anyone else may have visited the "TRNC" in recent history, even over shadowing President Gul, as far as world recognition goes, but he is sill a "private citizen" that did not even stay the night. Time is money as the head of Gazprom, who is also a close friends with Putin. So, how much is Putin supporting the "TRNC" cause.?? Answer that question, then you can crow about Schroder's visit as being more than a business trip.

Kikapu,
do you think i can not write by my self mate. U making big mistake.....
Kikapu, Why you are always getting excited whenever positive things are goes on at our side.
It is none of your business mate . Kikap'cuğum this is politics mate . Times are not the old times anymore .Time is communication time.At this time Turkish Cypriots are started organising well mate. We are not at 60's anymore that media was under the control of the GC's that world was only hearing what they were telling them.
I was at YD university at other day . There was a lot's of diplomats mate I heard with my own ears mate what they were talking man...... You keep dreaming and call where we live .days will come very soon and we will see that........ farm you calling how improved her self.
funny thing we musn't have rights to do business that!s what you are all moaning about. we do mate.we do business with every where .At the moment we are doing via Turkey but soon you will see . we will do it directly and no one can stop it.
Money speak man , money. No one will wait mate another 50 years or more.

Halil,

Nice to have the real Halil back. In the future Halil, I will not be responding to your "speech writer".

Halil, did I not say that Schroders visit will be as a business man.?? Have I not said, that he is there for business.?? That's what business people do. They do business where ever it is possible. Who is arguing about that. It is all you hopefuls that read way too much into his visit, as if he can make any decisions to turn the "TRNC" into a legal entity. You people need to start playing in the major leagues and not the minors, where you hang onto every little bone throw at you, as a sign that you are on your way to becoming a UN and EU member. We still need to find proper peace in Cyprus and not some back door schnanigans.

Cuneyt Zapsu, an advisor to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has said that the former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroders visit to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is not only a symbolic political visit, but a move which will lead to important results.

No professional diplomat ever announces what the subject matter or the conclusions of a meeting that has not taken place yet. I hope you will not take any disappointments too hard Halil. Lets just wait and see what comes out of the meeting. All this Fanfare before anything is known, is very amateurish to say the least. Then again, we are talking about the "TRNC government".

Kikapu, Merhaba.

I often read your posts in silence and bewilderment. But as I am a true believer in free speech, freedom of thought etc I do not attack your thoughts on the Cyprus issue. I like to believe that you have genuine concerns for the whole of the people of Cyprus. I too join you in those concerns.

Our friend Halil has hopes too for the future of Cyprus and I sincerely hope that you are not trying to 'patronise' his contributions on this forum. Personally I find Halils contributions, personal or 'quotes' very informative and useful. He postes from a wider spectrum than most forumers.

Rightly or wrongly he, Halil , like most of us live in 'hope'. Whereever we see an opportunity we will grab it. Whether at the end, we are disappointed, whats new. We have lived through a lot of disappointments and this strengthens our resolve. We will make mistakes and we will learn from them. Some of the points you make regarding the legality of issues (a la Piratis) does make sense, but sometimes you have to bear in mind and have respect for the opinions wishes of the majority of TCs.

Well, it will be interesting to say the least as to what benefits this 'personage' will bring to the North.

Wrong topic but what is your opinion of the 'MADAM YAYGARACI' The FOUNAKLAS'?

[zan]

It's no big deal man....Nothing to worry about...

Schroeder to visit the north

German ex-Chancellor in illegal visit to north

Gerhardt Schroeder

arriving through Tymbou

By Philippos Stylianou

THE occupation regime is gearing up to claim another success in its continuing drive to enlist foreign support for its partitionist aims, as former German Chancellor Gerhardt Schroeder is due to arrive through the illegal Tymbou airport from Turkey today for "official" and business contacts.

Coming after a series of similar Turkish moves over recent months, the development has caused concern in the free areas, although, as expected, it is being bandied about as just another election issue.

President Papadopoulos described it as "a very sad development" but his one-time ruling ally and now main presidential challenger, Akel Secretary General Demetris Christofias, accused him of lack of foresight and preventive diplomacy.

Invitation

"The talk about Schroeder’s visit is not today’s, it is more than a month now since we have been hearing about this," he told journalists on Wednesday.

He added: "I wonder what measures we have taken to avert such a development. I therefore express regret and call for readiness to put a stop, if possible, to these phenomena which are unfortunately increasing and multiplying."

Presidential candidate and former Foreign Minister Ioannis Kasoulides, who is supported by opposition Disy opposition, wondered "how we managed to come to this." He said he remembered the meeting between ex-President Clerides and Schroeder, and also his own meeting with Schroeder’s adviser, and how they expressed their admiration for Clerides pursuing a solution at such and advanced age.

Disy press spokesman Tassos Mitsopoulos said that Schroeder’s visit was "another episode in the serial of upgrading the occupied areas, which is taking place at a fast rate without us having the vision or the strategy to stem the negative tide of events."

Schroeder, currently working for the Russian energy giant Gasprom, comes to the occupied areas at the invitation of the so-called Prime Minister Ferdi Soyer and is being accompanied by Cuneyd Zapsu, adviser to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The German Embassy in Nicosia has confirmed the visit but washed its hands of it.

"Mr Schroeder is a private individual now, a German citizen, and I cannot prevent him from carrying out this visit," said Embassy Charge d’ Affaires Joachim Heidorn.

He added that Schroeder had not informed the embassy about his visit and stressed that the embassy had no involvement in it.

Furthermore, he said that the embassy would not be in touch with him and he will not be visiting the south, as he termed the free areas of the Cyprus Republic.

Great efforts

The German diplomat also said that Schroeder would be heading a group of businessmen. He said he could not be sure about the date of the visit but there was information that it would take place on Friday.

President Papadopoulos expressed regret at the fact that, even as a private citizen, the former Chancellor continued to display the same feelings about Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots in general as before.

According to the Turkish Cypriot media, Schroeder is to have meetings with the Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat and Soyer, as well as officials from the Turkish Cypriot Chamber of Commerce.

On Saturday he will give a joint press conference with Soyer at the Colony Hotel in Kyrenia and depart in the afternoon.

Talat’s spokesman Hasan Ercakica is quoted in a press report as saying that the "government" is exerting great efforts for the opening up of the Turkish Cypriots to the world.

He added that, within this framework, it had established various contacts and business circles in Germany.