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[phoenix]

.... plus i hate people like yourself and Piratis and his likes who lurk around this forum simply to spread racist hate and bigoted propaganda, therefore i do not need to prove your racism, you do it plenty with your remarks, which i simply reply to and you can clearly see that i am not alone in thinking such way.

I have never known you to be passive. If anyone lurks around the forum ... you do it plenty too, and many others, otherwise we would have blank screens.

IF you actually read my posts properly (unlike yours) they are generally directed at YOU as in person and not YOU as in a nation, and again (unlike you) i do find it highly illogical and idiotic to simply hate an entire nation of people who you do not know anything about, this is the root of racism and you as a scientist, are so deeply muddled up in it that you don't even see it yourself.

So you think hating individuals (as you admit to) justifies the hatred ... but hating a Nation that violates your country's Human Rights and sends troops to kill you, is somehow not normal?

Do you also realise Hitler justified killing Jews, because he was blighted by one Jew ...

Wake up madam, you are the epitome of racism!

Again by refusing to see your inherent problem, you fester it unguarded ... very dangerous.

Take the log out of your own eye before removing the splinter out of someone else's ....

So please don't go talking crap about my parents and my upbringing which you have no clue about, unlike many GC's i have met in my lifetime, we have no place for hate in our homes, not for the Greeks nor for anyone else, believe it or not, I don't give a rats ass about you or your existence on the other side of our island. If we get along great, if not, who cares, I still get on with life.

No one has a place for hate ... as I said, mine was developed from personal experience through the direct actions of the Turks .... you clearly have no personal experience of violence from GCs .... so why should you hate them?

We have won our peace of mind long time ago, why shall we keep grudges about something that happened so long ago, my grandmother might, very rightfully, and so can my parents, but i don't need to nor will my children and i feel very lucky about it.

If you can have peace of mind whilst violating the Human Rights of 200,000 GCs, then you are extremely thick skinned and have been brought up well.

You have been clearly damaged as a child and i feel sorry for you because you seem to be a lost cause, and i hope this does not reflect on the upbringing of your children too, if not for our sake then at least for the sake of the poor Scotsmen

I very much believe in allowing people to develop their own characters ... I have no wish to impose my views on anyone. However, we are in an environment now, with many people who are a walking testament of the abuses inflicted by Turkey.

He has seen for himself, Europe's last remaining divided Capital City.

And eventually, it will seep through, that there are Turks like yourself, in the guise of normal rational beings, who are happy to comply with Turkey because you believe it is justifiable to not hate a Nation ... because you only hate individuals.

[Piratis]

Sotos. ' I don't hate Cypriots one iota'. None of these words should be difficult to understand even if English is not your first language.

No I don't own a property in the north and neither did I fight the EOKA terrorists as national service ended in Britain some years before I would have been old enough to be conscripted. I lived in Limassol in the early 60s and left the island (then aged nearly 15) a matter of weeks before the murders of TCs started and which culminated in their liberation in 1974. My father was English (he was not in the forces in Cyprus) but was in the RAF in WW11 and was awarded the BEM and was Mentioned in Despatches on two occasions. My mother was born in Belgium. I have nothing to hide. I don't hate anybody.

During my few years in Cyprus I had no interest in politics and had no idea of the trouble that was brewing although I do remember a Briton being murdered in Ledra Street in 1961. He was shot in the back in a cowardly manner but it did not affect me then or now because I know these things happen.

I have kept very much in touch over the years with what has been happening on the island and have had holidays on both sides. What I find hard to understand is the apparent inability of numerous GCs to accept that it was the actions of their community that created the situation and they are culpable. I do wonder if many really know what their forebears did.

I am aware that historically Turks were barbarians and that many of the Turkish soldiers in 1974 were backward and committed atrocities. Being backward was a frequent denominator in membership of EOKA also. I am also aware that GCs started attrocities more that 11 years before the Turkish landings. Neither are to be condoned.

It would be good to see the Cyprus problem resolved albeit that it pales into insignificance in the world order of problems. If it is not I won't lose any sleep but it will be sad and I don't believe history will look at you favourably.

What I expect from you, however, is insults (using profanities if you sink as low as Phoenix and Piritas for who there seems to be no hope) for that part of this posting which does not suit you. What would be nice is for you to realise that you need to compromise, realise that the TCs have their views too and negotiate a settlement to include the withdrawal of Turkish troops. It would be a folly to make this a prerequisite.
It would nice to see the problem solved.

Turning to my Jewish friend one could say that his rights continue to violated as his family have lost property and possessions to the Germans but more importantly the majority of his family both immediate and extended family were exterminated.

You saying "I don't hate Cypriots one iota" and using a nickname like "Noaxetogrind" can not hide the hate you have against Cypriots and which it more than obvious. It just makes you a hypocrite.

Your hypocrisy is confirmed when you accuse Cypriots because they dared to fight against the colonialists and then you call Cypriots "terrorists" for doing so. Who are the terrorists in this case are the British, and all the other foreign invadors that came to Cyprus for the sole purpose of enslaving its people and exploiting our island. Cypriots had, and have, every right to fight for the freedom of their own island from foreign occupation. Only a colonialist type like yourself could not recognize this.

Cypriots on the other hand have never ventured out of their island to attack and harm others. Every conflict we had in Cyprus it is exclusively due to a foreigner invading our island and imposing their rule on us. Unlike the British we were not trading slaves either. If somebody hears your lies he would think that we had imported Turks as slaves and we started to abuse them, as you did with the blacks. Not the case though. In fact it was exactly the opposite. They are the ones who came to our island to enslave us, and they are the one who have abused us. All we ever did was revolts in an effort to gain our freedom and self-determination on our own island. Nothing more than that.

So please don't tell me that "GCs started the atrocities". GCs never went out of their island to harm others. It is those others who attacked our island and started the atrocities against us, and this is an undeniable historical fact.

Regarding the inter-communal conflict, this again was started by the Turkish Cypriots along with the British. The British in their effort to win the war against our liberation fighters and keep Cyprus under their control they have used the TC minority in their usual divide and rule tactics as means to deny to Cypriots their freedom and self-determination.

Here is a British made video that documents the start of the inter-communal conflict:



Yes, Greek Cypriots have also committed crimes, and also made mistakes. But trying to blame the Cypriots, when it is the Turks/British who were coming with their troops to our island to kill and enslave us, is ridiculous and pathetic. I repeat: We didn't venture out of our island to harm anybody, neither we ever imported slaves to abuse them. ALL conflicts in Cyprus have as their root a foreign invasion of our island and their oppressive rule against our rights, freedom and self-determination.

[utu]

Well, I see that debate on the Turkish Cypriot flag has gone the same way as the other posts. Any flag can arouse passions, and the Turkish Cypriot flag is no exception.

[phoenix]

Well, I see that debate on the Turkish Cypriot flag has gone the same way as the other posts. Any flag can arouse passions, and the Turkish Cypriot flag is no exception.

Ditto swastika ....

So long as you are not fussy about the form of passion

[utu]

Symbols are powerful things, Phoenix. The swastika is just one example. I personally look upon the Maple Leaf flag with a great deal of pride, and I suppose that you do likewise with the Greek National Flag. Its what one does with the emblem that they support or dislike that defines how much of an influence such symbols have...

[Nikitas]

When you paint a giganitc flag on a mountain and aim to hang another a few miles away, both on stolen land from which the owners have been excluded, , what message are you sending UTU? It is not simply a flag chosen by a community. It is much more than that so dont play dumb.

[utu]

When you paint a giganitc flag on a mountain and aim to hang another a few miles away, both on stolen land from which the owners have been excluded, , what message are you sending UTU? It is not simply a flag chosen by a community. It is much more than that so dont play dumb.

But its not as simple as that either, Nikitas. Use your head. Symbols are powerful things, and when a people are under siege, they tend to gravitate more towards them, both as a rallying point, and a symbol of defiance. With that in mind, its no wonder the Turkish Cypriot flag is displayed thus.

[zan]

T.C.s, if so please pray for Piratis and Phoenix as they are blatently so consumed by hate. Such hate eats away at the heart of the hater and leads to misery in the hater's life while the hated is unaffected.

Would a physician pray that his patient learn to accept a bacterial disease that has infected him?...... or would he give him antibiotics to remove the cause of the disease?

The Turks have caused the problem / disease. So do not pray that I learn to accept them ... eliminate the cause.

But prevention is better than cure ...

Fight the cause, not just the symptoms.

This thread is full of the fight against such a disease...The diseased mind of a deluded fool with sadistic fantasies of Nazi proportions......AKA Phoenix.....


There are signs that the bloodshed massacre ever is being prepared, that the Greek Cypriots have decided to throw all caution to the wind.

It is now more evident than ever that the Greek Cypriots, regardless of consequences, plan to settle the Turkish Cypriot’s problem once and for ever with guns.

Outgunned and outnumbered, 3,000 Turkish inhabitants of Ktima, ancient capital of the Paphos district, are fighting a desperate house-to-house battle for survival.

Flames and smoke billowing up into the night sky from nine blazing buildings in the Turkish quarter can be seen from thirty miles away.

Women and children in the Turkish quarter have been refused permission to leave under British protection. “Brigadier Donald Crane, British commander in the stricken town said: It is a very grave situation. British troops in the middle of it all are doing a magnificent job”.

In one incident, a Greek armoured bulldozer moved towards the house, where the gunners had set up a position. A British officer shouted, “If you move any nearer we will have to fire on you”.

Three times he shouted the order. But the bulldozer still came on, and, a British soldier fired. Immediately the bulldozer retreated.

A British military spokesman said: “When more British troops attempted to enter the town, they were met by the guns of Greek Cypriots at the road blocks”. They said: “If you come any further you will be shot.”

Sunday Telegraph 5 January 1964 by Special Correspondent, Nicosia
BRITISH ASK FOR CURB ON EOKA: The British are urging President Makarios to override the “Government” of any areas of the island by EOKA. But the Archbishop’s control over this parliamentary organization remains in doubt.

Armed EOKA men at roadblocks in many parts are refusing to allow supplies through to Turkish enclaves. Urgent night talks between British representatives and the Cabinet are continuing.

Sunday Citizen 5 January 1964
OUR TROOPS SAVE 9,000 CUT-OFF VILLAGERS: British troops, in army lories draped with Union Jack, yesterday delivered food and medical supplies to nearly 9,000 Turkish Cypriots in 18 isolated villages in north west of Cyprus. “Normal supplies to the Turks had been hampered by Greek Cypriot road blocks”.

Daily Express 14 February 1964
Cyprus is in flames. The islanders are butchering one another. Yet what does President Makarios do? He haughtily refuses to endorse the Anglo-American peacekeeping plan.

He argues about matters of prestige and protocol. He plays at diplomacy while scores of people die. Rarely in history has a Churchman shown such scant concern for human suffering as Archbishop Makarios? “He has not only failed as a statesman but he has disgraced his cloth as well.”

Daily Telegraph 20 May 1964 By Henry Miller MAKARIOS CANNOT FIND 74 ABDUCTED TURKS ONLY SEVEN RELEASED:
The fate of 74 of the 91 Turkish Cypriot hostages seized by the Greek Cypriots, since the United Nations took control in Cyprus in March uncertain today. President Makarios said that he could account only for the 17 others. This seems to show that he has no influence over extremist groups, who ignored his pleas to act within the law. Forty-six of the Turks have been abducted since the Famagusta shootings on Monday 11.

Since hostages were released today. Archbishop Makarios told Senor Galo Plaza, U Thant’s special envoy, these were the only seven in the hands of the Government.

The New York Times 20 May 1964: by W. Grainger Blair: UNITED NATIONS INSISTANCE:

Innocent People Vanish: Senior Plaza said to-day; “I have insisted that the United Nations Secretary-General, the Security Council and the world in general, must know what has happened to those innocent people, who had no responsibility for the Famagusta incident.

U. N FAILS TO FIND 74 CYPRIOT TURKS: Makarios frees 7 hostages; the fate of the rest unknown. Cyprus, May 19, Archbishop Makarios, the President of Cyprus, informed the United Nations today that he had been unable to discover the whereabouts or fate of 74 of the 91 Turkish Cypriots reportedly seized by Greek Cypriots since March 27.

The Archbishop told Mr. Plaza that 17 Turkish Cypriots, seven abducted, four weeks ago in the Kyrinia area and 10 more seized last Thursday at Nicosia airport were in the custody of responsible Government officials. The Archbishop also asserted, according to Mr. Plaza that not all the missing Turkish Cypriots were or ever had been in the hands of the Government.

Mr. Plaza said he had told the Archbishop of his certainty that Mr. Makarios would bring to justice any person responsible for the lives of the missing Turkish Cypriots. The remark suggested that Mr. Plaza was not hopeful that missing Turks were still alive.

[denizaksulu]

have they done something to the flag on the mountains? as i was driving passed today to go to college as i see the flag on rout every day the flag look bright white and the bottom left was grey like unfinished paint job...

They are painting it so you can see it more clearly

Thats good. It will save Phoenix and Piratis a visit to the opticians.

Deniz
You are turning out to be very naughty too

I think its time for tit-4-tat. You try to be nice to the lady, but it just spoils the bitch.

[denizaksulu]

Such a foul mouth on this woman, pity her husband.

I think the husband walked. What man in his right mind would want to be with this thing.

WALKED? You kidding me. He sprinted never looking back.