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[Kikapu]

Kikapu, as long as the computer infront of the immigration officer does not say you are a AWOL ( Asker Kaçağı ) you are OK. The thing that bugs me is that I know you can extend your military obligations up to the age of 49, what I'm not sure about is, what exactly happens after that age. Kik. I don't think you are in AWOL status. Below is the number to ASAL sube in Nicosia, phone them with your details and ask yourself.

ASAL sube: 00 90 392 2272007

Umit07,

Thanks for the information my friend, but I and numerous other family members in the UK and Turkey have called ASAL SUBE and have been asking the same question for the last 2 years, and we have never gotten any consistent answers. It all depends who is answering the telephone. Sorry to sound like an asshole, but the information that comes out of the Asal Sube has always been inconsistent. As VP has said very correctly. In the "TRNC" is all about who you know, that seems to make the difference.

At last account, anyone over the age of 49, had to pay either:

1. £3,000 and no military.

2. £1,500 and 1 month military..can be split 2 weeks X 2.. within a certain time.

3. 3 month military and no payment.

This did not matter if one stayed one day in the "TRNC" or resided there. After the age of 49, one could not escape the above 3 conditions. That's what it was until now, so what I want to know now is with the new proposal is, what has changed for the
"old guys" like me, Birkibrisli, and Zan.

Good thing that the "TRNC" do not charge by the looks, or else Zan would go broke.

[halil]

full version (2)
“(2) Yukarıdaki (1)’inci fıkra kurallarına uygun olarak askerlik yükümlülüğü tecil ettirenler, Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetinde yılda toplam 90 günü aşmamak koşulu ile ikamet edebilirler. Meşru mazaret hali dışında yılda toplam 90 günden fazla ikamet ettiği saptananlara çıkış izni verilmez ve bunlar kesin dönüş yapmış sayılır.
Ancak, bunların öğrenim nedeniyle Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetinde bulundukları süreler 90 günlük ikamet süresinden sayılmaz.
Bunlardan 90 günlük ikamet süresini dolduranlar Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetine son giriş yaptıkları tarihten itibaren 12 ay içinde ASAL Şubeye başvurarak, müracaat tarihinden itibaren 12 ay içerisinde bu Yasa’nın 17’nci maddesinin (1)’inci fıkrası uyarınca askerlik yükümlülüklerini yerine getirmek zorundadırlar.
Süresi içinde müracaat etmeyen veya müracaat edip de süresi içinde yükümlülüğünü yerine getirmeyenler bu Yasanın 17’nci maddesinin (1)’inci fıkrasındaki hakdan yararlanamazlar.”



Esas Yasa 38’inci maddesinin değiştirilmesi 7. Esas Yasa, 38’inci maddesi kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni 38 nci madde konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.
“Bakaya 38. Bu Yasa kapsamında yoklamaları yapılarak askere alınmalarına karar verilenlerden, eğitim merkezine belirtilen zamanda katılmayanlara Bakaya denir. Bunlar yakalandıkları anda polis tarafından eğitim merkezine veya birliğe teslim edilirler.
Bu Yasanın 15’inci maddesi kapsamında olanlardan bakaya durumuna düşenler bu Yasanın 15 nci maddesindeki haktan yararlanamazlar.”


Esas Yasa 61’inci maddesinin değiştirilmesi 8. Esas Yasa, 61’inci maddesi kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni 61’inci madde konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.

“Denetim yetkisi 61. (1) Bu Yasanın 14’üncü maddesi kapsamında olup askerlik yükümlülüğü kesin dönüş yapacağı tarihe kadar ertelenenlerin Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetinde 90 günden fazla ikamet edip etmediğini izleme ve denetleme görevi, Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti giriş ve çıkış kapılarında veya limanlarda görev yapan muhaceret polisine aittir.




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(2) Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetinde yılda toplam 90 günden fazla ikamet etmesine karşın bu Yasasının 54’üncü maddesinde öngörülen belgelerden birini ibraz edemediği saptananların çıkışına izin verilemez.
Ancak 90 günlük ikamet süresini dolduranlardan meşru mazereti olanların ikamet süresi Güvenlik Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı tarafından 15 güne kadar uzatılabilir. Bu süre, yükümlünün ağır hastalığı halinde ASAL Şube tarafından sevkedileceği devlet hastanesi veya askeri hastanenin vereceği sağlık kurulu raporunda öngörülen süre kadar uzatılır.”


Esas Yasanın Geçici 3’üncü maddesinin 9. (1). Esas Yasa, Geçici 3’üncü maddesinin (2)’nci fıkrası kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni (2)’nci fıkra konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.
değiştirilmesi
“(2) Bedelli Askerlik Yasasının 4’üncü maddesinin (1)’inci fıkrasının (c) bendi kapsamında olup yurt dışında yedi yıl çalışma koşulunu yerine getirdikten sonra yoklama kaçağı durumuna düşenler bu Yasanın yürürlüğe girdiği tarihten itibaren 1 yıl içerisinde müracaat ettikleri takdirde Bedelli Askerlik Yasasındaki haktan yararlanırlar.”

(2). Esas Yasa, Geçici 3’üncü maddesinin (3)’üncü fıkrası kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni (3)’üncü fıkra konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.

“(3) (a) Yurt dışında çalıştıkları süre zarfında her yıl Asal Şubeye başvurup gerekli tecil işlemlerini yaptırmayanlar,

(b) Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetinde bir yıl içerisinde 60 günden fazla ikamet edenler, ve


(c) Gerekli süre içerisinde başvuruda bulunmadıkları veya erteleme noksanı sebebiyle bedelli askerlik başvuruları reddedilenler,
bu Yasanın yürürlüğe girdiği tarihten itibaren 1 yıl içerisinde müracaat ettikleri takdirde çalışma süreleri saklı kalmak kaydıyla bu Yasanın 15’inci maddesindeki haktan yararlanırlar.”






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Esas Yasanın Geçici 4’üncü maddesinin 10. (1). Esas Yasa, Geçici 4’üncü maddesinin (1)’inci fıkrası kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni (1)’inci fıkra konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.
değiştirilmesi
“(1) Bu Yasanın yürürlüğe girdiği tarihinden önce Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığı devam ederken bir başka ülkede zorunlu olarak askerlik hizmeti yaparak terhis olanlar bu Yasanın yürürlüğe girdiği tarihten itibaren bir yıl içinde, bu Yasanın yürürlüğe girdiği tarihinden önce Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığı devam ederken bir başka ülkede zorunlu olarak askerlik hizmeti yapmak için silah altına alınanlar ise terhis oldukları tarihten itibaren bir yıl içinde müracaat ettikleri taktirde askerlik yükümlülüğünden muaf tutulurlar.”

(2 Esas Yasa, Geçici 4’üncü maddesinin (4)’üncü fıkrası kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni (4)’üncü fıkra konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.

“(4) Her ne sebeple olursa olsun 1 Ocak 1995 tarihinden önce Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetinden ayrılıp bir yabancı ülkeye giden ve 1 Ocak 1998 tarihinde saklı, yoklama kaçağı, bakaya veya firar (Güney Kıbrıs Rum Yönetimi Bölgesine firar edenler hariç) durumuna düşenler, bu Yasanın 16’ıncı maddesinin (1)’inci fıkrasına uygun olarak müraacat ettikleri takdirde bu Yasanın 14’üncü maddesindeki haktan yararlanırlar ve haklarında bu suçlar sebebiyle kovuşturma yapılmaz.
Bunlar, müracaat tarihinden itibaren en geç 12 ay içerisinde, bu Yasanın 17’inci maddesinin (1)’inci fıkrasına uygun olarak yükümlülüklerini yerine getirmek zorundadırlar.”


4/2004 sayılı değişiklik Yasasının Geçici 1’inci maddesinin değiştirilmesi 11. Esas Yasa, 4/2004 sayılı değişiklik Yasasının Geçici 1’inci maddesi kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni Geçici 1’inci madde konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.

“Geçici madde Özel statü veya yüksek öğrenime bağlı bedelli 1. Bu Yasanın 14’üncü ve 15’inci maddeleri kapsamında olup, askerlik mükellefiyetini bu Yasanın 17’nci maddesi uyarınca yapma hakkına sahip kişilerden;

askerlikten yararlandırma (1) 15’inci madde kapsamında olanlar, çalıştıkları veya lisans üstü öğretimde geçirdikleri süre zarfında her yıl Asal Şubeye başvurup gerekli tecil işlemlerini zamanında yaptırmayanlar; veya



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[halil]

full version (3)
(2) Bu Yasanın 37’nci maddesinde öngörülen her yıl Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetinde en fazla 90 gün kalma süresini aşanlar; veya





(3) Gerekli süre içerisinde başvuruda bulunmadıkları, erteleme noksanı veya çalışma koşulunu yerine getirdikten sonra yoklama kaçağı olmaları sebebiyle bedelli askerlik başvuruları reddedilenler,
bu (Değişiklik) Yasasının yürürlüğe girdiği tarihten itibaren bir yıl içerisinde müracaat ettikleri takdirde bu Yasanın 14’üncü veya 15’inci maddesindeki haktan yararlanırlar.”


Yürürlüğe giriş 12. Bu Yasa, Resmi Gazete’de yayınlandığı tarihten itibaren yürürlüğe girer.


: http://www.mucahit.net/Gunceller/yasatasarisi.doc

[zan]

Kikapu, as long as the computer infront of the immigration officer does not say you are a AWOL ( Asker Kaçağı ) you are OK. The thing that bugs me is that I know you can extend your military obligations up to the age of 49, what I'm not sure about is, what exactly happens after that age. Kik. I don't think you are in AWOL status. Below is the number to ASAL sube in Nicosia, phone them with your details and ask yourself.

ASAL sube: 00 90 392 2272007

Umit07,

Thanks for the information my friend, but I and numerous other family members in the UK and Turkey have called ASAL SUBE and have been asking the same question for the last 2 years, and we have never gotten any consistent answers. It all depends who is answering the telephone. Sorry to sound like an asshole, but the information that comes out of the Asal Sube has always been inconsistent. As VP has said very correctly. In the "TRNC" is all about who you know, that seems to make the difference.

At last account, anyone over the age of 49, had to pay either:

1. £3,000 and no military.

2. £1,500 and 1 month military..can be split 2 weeks X 2.. within a certain time.

3. 3 month military and no payment.

This did not matter if one stayed one day in the "TRNC" or resided there. After the age of 49, one could not escape the above 3 conditions. That's what it was until now, so what I want to know now is with the new proposal is, what has changed for the
"old guys" like me, Birkibrisli, and Zan.

Good thing that the "TRNC" do not charge by the looks, or else Zan would go broke.

My brother went two years ago and had to sign saying that he would be back after nine months to do his service or pay......He is very sick and could not go so he got letters from the hospital to excuse him from service and is waiting for the response as to whether he has to pay or not...I think he does. So when you visit you have to return within nine months to do your service...That was until this new law which now allows you to stay for 90 days at a time and amnesty for AWOLs' So if you return to live there Kiks then yuo will have to pay but as you said..You will not until it is a Greek state in which case they will gladly take you in as an honorary GC You stuffed yourself mate... I will stay loyal to the TRNC/KKTC and pay up now..My people need me

As for age...I am not yet 49 so I have two years to play with anyway and if they try to charge me "Good looking Tax" on top then so be it....There is always a Yin to a Yang and I will foot the bill for your short comings.....

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, as long as the computer infront of the immigration officer does not say you are a AWOL ( Asker Kaçağı ) you are OK. The thing that bugs me is that I know you can extend your military obligations up to the age of 49, what I'm not sure about is, what exactly happens after that age. Kik. I don't think you are in AWOL status. Below is the number to ASAL sube in Nicosia, phone them with your details and ask yourself.

ASAL sube: 00 90 392 2272007

Umit07,

Thanks for the information my friend, but I and numerous other family members in the UK and Turkey have called ASAL SUBE and have been asking the same question for the last 2 years, and we have never gotten any consistent answers. It all depends who is answering the telephone. Sorry to sound like an asshole, but the information that comes out of the Asal Sube has always been inconsistent. As VP has said very correctly. In the "TRNC" is all about who you know, that seems to make the difference.

At last account, anyone over the age of 49, had to pay either:

1. £3,000 and no military.

2. £1,500 and 1 month military..can be split 2 weeks X 2.. within a certain time.

3. 3 month military and no payment.

This did not matter if one stayed one day in the "TRNC" or resided there. After the age of 49, one could not escape the above 3 conditions. That's what it was until now, so what I want to know now is with the new proposal is, what has changed for the
"old guys" like me, Birkibrisli, and Zan.

Good thing that the "TRNC" do not charge by the looks, or else Zan would go broke.

My brother went two years ago and had to sign saying that he would be back after nine months to do his service or pay......He is very sick and could not go so he got letters from the hospital to excuse him from service and is waiting for the response as to whether he has to pay or not...I think he does. So when you visit you have to return within nine months to do your service...That was until this new law which now allows you to stay for 90 days at a time and amnesty for AWOLs' So if you return to live there Kiks then yuo will have to pay but as you said..You will not until it is a Greek state in which case they will gladly take you in as an honorary GC You stuffed yourself mate... I will stay loyal to the TRNC/KKTC and pay up now..My people need me

As for age...I am not yet 49 so I have two years to play with anyway and if they try to charge me "Good looking Tax" on top then so be it....There is always a Yin to a Yang and I will foot the bill for your short comings.....

Zan,

I was following you all the way to the end until you started talking about a GC State, then you threw me right of my track, as well as yourself.

Please leave anything GC out this time and tell me what the new rules says. I got the part about if I stay longer than 90 days, I would have to pay since I'm over 49. What is the case for those over 49 who stays less than 90 days in any given year.??

a) Is any payment required?

b) Is military service required with or without payment.?

If you really wanted to impress "Asal Sube" so that they can charge you more on the "Good Looking Tax", then you should send the picture in CopperLine's Avatar instead of your own.

You will then most certainly will be helping "your people".

[zan]

Kikapu, as long as the computer infront of the immigration officer does not say you are a AWOL ( Asker Kaçağı ) you are OK. The thing that bugs me is that I know you can extend your military obligations up to the age of 49, what I'm not sure about is, what exactly happens after that age. Kik. I don't think you are in AWOL status. Below is the number to ASAL sube in Nicosia, phone them with your details and ask yourself.

ASAL sube: 00 90 392 2272007

Umit07,

Thanks for the information my friend, but I and numerous other family members in the UK and Turkey have called ASAL SUBE and have been asking the same question for the last 2 years, and we have never gotten any consistent answers. It all depends who is answering the telephone. Sorry to sound like an asshole, but the information that comes out of the Asal Sube has always been inconsistent. As VP has said very correctly. In the "TRNC" is all about who you know, that seems to make the difference.

At last account, anyone over the age of 49, had to pay either:

1. £3,000 and no military.

2. £1,500 and 1 month military..can be split 2 weeks X 2.. within a certain time.

3. 3 month military and no payment.

This did not matter if one stayed one day in the "TRNC" or resided there. After the age of 49, one could not escape the above 3 conditions. That's what it was until now, so what I want to know now is with the new proposal is, what has changed for the
"old guys" like me, Birkibrisli, and Zan.

Good thing that the "TRNC" do not charge by the looks, or else Zan would go broke.

My brother went two years ago and had to sign saying that he would be back after nine months to do his service or pay......He is very sick and could not go so he got letters from the hospital to excuse him from service and is waiting for the response as to whether he has to pay or not...I think he does. So when you visit you have to return within nine months to do your service...That was until this new law which now allows you to stay for 90 days at a time and amnesty for AWOLs' So if you return to live there Kiks then yuo will have to pay but as you said..You will not until it is a Greek state in which case they will gladly take you in as an honorary GC You stuffed yourself mate... I will stay loyal to the TRNC/KKTC and pay up now..My people need me

As for age...I am not yet 49 so I have two years to play with anyway and if they try to charge me "Good looking Tax" on top then so be it....There is always a Yin to a Yang and I will foot the bill for your short comings.....

Zan,

I was following you all the way to the end until you started talking about a GC State, then you threw me right of my track, as well as yourself.

Please leave anything GC out this time and tell me what the new rules says. I got the part about if I stay longer than 90 days, I would have to pay since I'm over 49. What is the case for those over 49 who stays less than 90 days in any given year.??

a) Is any payment required?

b) Is military service required with or without payment.?

If you really wanted to impress "Asal Sube" so that they can charge you more on the "Good Looking Tax", then you should send the picture in CopperLine's Avatar instead of your own.

You will then most certainly will be helping "your people".

I am willing to tell you again Kiks but I bet iceman is banging his head against the wall as we speak...........Here goes....



YOU CAN GO AND STAY FOR UP TO 90 DAYS WITHOUT ANY CHARGE OR SERVICE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YOU ARE NOT AN AWOL BECAUSE YOU NEVER SIGNED ANYTHING TO SAY YOU WOULD RETURN>>>>>>>>>>IF YOU DOWANT TO LIVE THERE THEN PAY £3000 AND DO NO SERVICE>>>>>>>>>>I THINK THEY MIGHT PAY YOU JUST TO SHUT YOU UP>>>>>>>>>

[Kikapu]

YOU CAN GO AND STAY FOR UP TO 90 DAYS WITHOUT ANY CHARGE OR SERVICE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YOU ARE NOT AN AWOL BECAUSE YOU NEVER SIGNED ANYTHING TO SAY YOU WOULD RETURN>>>>>>>>>>IF YOU DOWANT TO LIVE THERE THEN PAY £3000 AND DO NO SERVICE>>>>>>>>>>I THINK THEY MIGHT PAY YOU JUST TO SHUT YOU UP>>>>>>>>>

Now, that wasn't so hard, was it Zan ??...Thanks...I got it now.

[zan]

YOU CAN GO AND STAY FOR UP TO 90 DAYS WITHOUT ANY CHARGE OR SERVICE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YOU ARE NOT AN AWOL BECAUSE YOU NEVER SIGNED ANYTHING TO SAY YOU WOULD RETURN>>>>>>>>>>IF YOU DOWANT TO LIVE THERE THEN PAY £3000 AND DO NO SERVICE>>>>>>>>>>I THINK THEY MIGHT PAY YOU JUST TO SHUT YOU UP>>>>>>>>>

Now, that wasn't so hard, was it Zan ??...Thanks...I got it now.

TFFT

[BirKibrisli]

YOU CAN GO AND STAY FOR UP TO 90 DAYS WITHOUT ANY CHARGE OR SERVICE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YOU ARE NOT AN AWOL BECAUSE YOU NEVER SIGNED ANYTHING TO SAY YOU WOULD RETURN>>>>>>>>>>IF YOU DOWANT TO LIVE THERE THEN PAY £3000 AND DO NO SERVICE>>>>>>>>>>I THINK THEY MIGHT PAY YOU JUST TO SHUT YOU UP>>>>>>>>>

Now, that wasn't so hard, was it Zan ??...Thanks...I got it now.

So,I am taking it for granted that they have removed the age 49 business,as long as you have not returned permanently,and do not stay for longer than 90 days in any one year....

What I want to know now is, do we need to go to Asal Sube and get a piece of paper saying we can leave???? This is what I had to do last time (before I turned 49),and believe me it took me 3 full days (out of my 10 in the trnc) to get the bloody thing....I still have it but is it valid now under this new law???? There are a lot of traps for the unwary,Kikapu...Tread carefully,mate.

[zan]

YOU CAN GO AND STAY FOR UP TO 90 DAYS WITHOUT ANY CHARGE OR SERVICE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YOU ARE NOT AN AWOL BECAUSE YOU NEVER SIGNED ANYTHING TO SAY YOU WOULD RETURN>>>>>>>>>>IF YOU DOWANT TO LIVE THERE THEN PAY £3000 AND DO NO SERVICE>>>>>>>>>>I THINK THEY MIGHT PAY YOU JUST TO SHUT YOU UP>>>>>>>>>

Now, that wasn't so hard, was it Zan ??...Thanks...I got it now.

So,I am taking it for granted that they have removed the age 49 business,as long as you have not returned permanently,and do not stay for longer than 90 days in any one year....

What I want to know now is, do we need to go to Asal Sube and get a piece of paper saying we can leave???? This is what I had to do last time (before I turned 49),and believe me it took me 3 full days (out of my 10 in the trnc) to get the bloody thing....I still have it but is it valid now under this new law???? There are a lot of traps for the unwary,Kikapu...Tread carefully,mate.

Don't worry...he ain't goin any where near the place......


As for your other point......I am only guessing here and am sure someone will correct if needed but your passport is stamped and if your exit is within 90 days it will be fine.