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Postby zan » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:39 am

Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
umit07 wrote:Kikapu

I think zan is right about the 49 barrier, under the bill which is due to pass you will be able to finish your military obligations by paying 3000 GBP. You will have to apply within 3 months, so keep a close eye on it.


That is the case now already Umit07. I want to see what new offers they would be offering, specially to those over the age of 49.

I wrote to a leading politician 2 years ago, asking them to do away with the whole military requirements to anyone who does not want to live in the "TRNC" to encourage more TC's living abroad, and their children who are also born abroad to visit the North as tourist, which would add a boost to the economy. I guess this is the first step, but it seems to apply only to those who have been AWOL's over 7 years. It makes little sense to me why they are concentrating to only this group of people. It tells me perhaps that TC's are leaving the "TRNC" to avoid doing their military services in droves and do not wish to return back. If they do take up the amnesty offer, there is a good chance they are going to have to pay substantial amount in money to avoid persecution assuming those who are now in AWOL will trust the system in the "TRNC" who has branded them as "AWOL's" will let them be, once they return back to the "TRNC".


What were you thinking...That would help the TCs wouldn't it????? :lol: :lol:


Well, Duh.! :lol:


Keep on track Homer...You might upset your GC mates.... :lol:
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Postby iceman » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:03 am

I have also read the new law and from what i understand Kikapu's status is not AWOL....he has been away from Cyprus since he was very young and has never returned....What is expected from people in his status (and age) is to register once they arrive.
After registering they are permitted to stay up to 90 days in 12 consecutive months...If they stay over 90 days then they loose their "tecil" status and are treated as a resident in which case,taken to the training camp by the police...

What i dont like about this new law is,i can understand the "bedelli yasasi" being applied to men up to a certain age (which seems to be 49) and i can understand the the authorities demanding £3000 from people under the age of 49...(if they decide to take residence in TRNC that is)
What i cannot accept is the fact that with this new bill,they are demanding £3000 from TC's over the age of 49...This means any TC man over the age of 49 has to pay them £3000 to take residence/retire in his country....this is absurd!!!
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Postby zan » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:13 am

iceman wrote:I have also read the new law and from what i understand Kikapu's status is not AWOL....he has been away from Cyprus since he was very young and has never returned....What is expected from people in his status (and age) is to register once they arrive.
After registering they are permitted to stay up to 90 days in 12 consecutive months...If they stay over 90 days then they loose their "tecil" status and are treated as a resident in which case,taken to the training camp by the police...

What i dont like about this new law is,i can understand the "bedelli yasasi" being applied to men up to a certain age (which seems to be 49) and i can understand the the authorities demanding £3000 from people under the age of 49...(if they decide to take residence in TRNC that is)
What i cannot accept is the fact that with this new bill,they are demanding £3000 from TC's over the age of 49...This means any TC man over the age of 49 has to pay them £3000 to take residence/retire in his country....this is absurd!!!


I think you are right iceman and they need to clear this up once and for all but I also think that people should not begrudge giving this money to help their country. I will be paying it happily. I was even thinking of doing the two weeks or so but have been told the boredom of sitting around would kill me so I think the money will do...That is all the want and as long as it is used properly then helal olsun....
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Postby pantheman » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:40 am

zan wrote:
pantheman wrote::lol: :wink:

A bill? as in law? what in an illegal state that cares shit for human rights? are you for real?

Whos to stop them just chucking you inside, giving you a good beating do doing the runner in the first place and then force you to do the service?

No No, kiks just stay where you are mate, you would be much safer. Turkey does as she please, what court will you run to when it doesn't work out, she recognises no courts, human right judgements, international laws so what gives.

ALL TC's BEWARE, THIS IS A TRAP TO MAKE YOU GO BACK. DON'T TRUST THEM, ITS NOT THE TC'S MAKING THESE RULES ITS TURKEY AND THEY DON'T GIVE JACK S--- ABOUT YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.



Still stuck with those horror stories told to you in your Greek education hey!!! :roll: :roll: Grow up and smell the Humus....


Zan, you can be so funny re. :lol: :lol:

I didn't go to any GREEK school nor had their education, its just plain obvious man. Come on be honest for once, do you really trust them?? I don't think so.

But humus, yeah I love that stuff. Better if you had said 'greek coffee' would have been better.

Talking of coffee, nows a good time for one, see you later old boy.
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:46 am

iceman wrote:I have also read the new law and from what i understand Kikapu's status is not AWOL....he has been away from Cyprus since he was very young and has never returned....What is expected from people in his status (and age) is to register once they arrive.
After registering they are permitted to stay up to 90 days in 12 consecutive months...If they stay over 90 days then they loose their "tecil" status and are treated as a resident in which case,taken to the training camp by the police...

What i dont like about this new law is,i can understand the "bedelli yasasi" being applied to men up to a certain age (which seems to be 49) and i can understand the the authorities demanding £3000 from people under the age of 49...(if they decide to take residence in TRNC that is)
What i cannot accept is the fact that with this new bill,they are demanding £3000 from TC's over the age of 49...This means any TC man over the age of 49 has to pay them £3000 to take residence/retire in his country....this is absurd!!!


Iceman,

Thanks for your post. Can you clear one thing for me please.

What i cannot accept is the fact that with this new bill,they are demanding £3000 from TC's over the age of 49...This means any TC man over the age of 49 has to pay them £3000 to take residence/retire in his country....this is absurd!


Is the £3,000 to be paid by anyone over the age of 49 regardless, or only by those who intend on staying beyond 90 days in the "TRNC". ?? What is the case for anyone over the age of 49, if they just wish to visit the "TRNC" for 2 weeks a year. Thanks.
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:51 am

zan wrote:
I think you are right iceman and they need to clear this up once and for all but I also think that people should not begrudge giving this money to help their country. I will be paying it happily. I was even thinking of doing the two weeks or so but have been told the boredom of sitting around would kill me so I think the money will do...That is all the want and as long as it is used properly then helal olsun....


I'll be glad to pay also Zan, but only once the politicians do their jobs and find a solution. If I pay them now, it will only encourage them to do absolutely nothing, since people like you want to pay them to sit on their asses. I do not encourage "hand outs". But then again, these politicians are use to receiving "hand outs" from Turkey, so it is nothing new to them.
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Postby iceman » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:08 pm

Kikapu wrote:
iceman wrote:I have also read the new law and from what i understand Kikapu's status is not AWOL....he has been away from Cyprus since he was very young and has never returned....What is expected from people in his status (and age) is to register once they arrive.
After registering they are permitted to stay up to 90 days in 12 consecutive months...If they stay over 90 days then they loose their "tecil" status and are treated as a resident in which case,taken to the training camp by the police...

What i dont like about this new law is,i can understand the "bedelli yasasi" being applied to men up to a certain age (which seems to be 49) and i can understand the the authorities demanding £3000 from people under the age of 49...(if they decide to take residence in TRNC that is)
What i cannot accept is the fact that with this new bill,they are demanding £3000 from TC's over the age of 49...This means any TC man over the age of 49 has to pay them £3000 to take residence/retire in his country....this is absurd!!!


Iceman,

Thanks for your post. Can you clear one thing for me please.

What i cannot accept is the fact that with this new bill,they are demanding £3000 from TC's over the age of 49...This means any TC man over the age of 49 has to pay them £3000 to take residence/retire in his country....this is absurd!


Is the £3,000 to be paid by anyone over the age of 49 regardless, or only by those who intend on staying beyond 90 days in the "TRNC". ?? What is the case for anyone over the age of 49, if they just wish to visit the "TRNC" for 2 weeks a year. Thanks.


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As i stated in the last sentence of my above post,this £3000 has to be paid only by those who wish to take residence in TRNC...as long as one does not exceed 90 day limit he does not have to pay....Anyway...this is what i understood from the official version of the bill i read...
I will inquire further to see if there is a catch somewhere because it is written in "legal" language which probably has many loopholes..
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Postby umit07 » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:15 pm

Kikapu, as long as the computer infront of the immigration officer does not say you are a AWOL ( Asker Kaçağı ) you are OK. The thing that bugs me is that I know you can extend your military obligations up to the age of 49, what I'm not sure about is, what exactly happens after that age. Kik. I don't think you are in AWOL status. Below is the number to ASAL sube in Nicosia, phone them with your details and ask yourself.

ASAL sube: 00 90 392 2272007
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:15 pm

iceman wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
iceman wrote:I have also read the new law and from what i understand Kikapu's status is not AWOL....he has been away from Cyprus since he was very young and has never returned....What is expected from people in his status (and age) is to register once they arrive.
After registering they are permitted to stay up to 90 days in 12 consecutive months...If they stay over 90 days then they loose their "tecil" status and are treated as a resident in which case,taken to the training camp by the police...

What i dont like about this new law is,i can understand the "bedelli yasasi" being applied to men up to a certain age (which seems to be 49) and i can understand the the authorities demanding £3000 from people under the age of 49...(if they decide to take residence in TRNC that is)
What i cannot accept is the fact that with this new bill,they are demanding £3000 from TC's over the age of 49...This means any TC man over the age of 49 has to pay them £3000 to take residence/retire in his country....this is absurd!!!


Iceman,

Thanks for your post. Can you clear one thing for me please.

What i cannot accept is the fact that with this new bill,they are demanding £3000 from TC's over the age of 49...This means any TC man over the age of 49 has to pay them £3000 to take residence/retire in his country....this is absurd!


Is the £3,000 to be paid by anyone over the age of 49 regardless, or only by those who intend on staying beyond 90 days in the "TRNC". ?? What is the case for anyone over the age of 49, if they just wish to visit the "TRNC" for 2 weeks a year. Thanks.


Kikapu
As i stated in the last sentence of my above post,this £3000 has to be paid only by those who wish to take residence in TRNC...as long as one does not exceed 90 day limit he does not have to pay....Anyway...this is what i understood from the official version of the bill i read...
I will inquire further to see if there is a catch somewhere because it is written in "legal" language which probably has many loopholes..


Thanks iceman. There are a lot of us "over the hill" that would like to know all there is to be known, as to what happens to us if we made a return to Cyprus, and what is expected from the 49+ gang by the "TRNC". Thanks.
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Postby halil » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:31 pm

Kikapu or others here is the full version of the law is going to be.
ASKERLİK (DEĞİŞİKLİK) YASA TASARISI

Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti Cumhuriyet Meclisi aşağıdaki Yasa’yı yapar.

Kısa İsim
59/2000
43/2002
59/2003
04/2004 1. Bu Yasa, “Askerlik (Değişiklik) Yasası olarak isimlendirilir ve aşağıda “Esas Yasa” olarak anılan Askerlik Yasası ile birlikte okunur.
05/2005

Esas Yasa 5’inci maddesinin değiştirilmesi 2. Esas Yasa, 5’inci maddesi kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni 5’inci madde konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.

“Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığına geçenler 5. Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığına geçenlerden eski yurttaşlıklarında askerlik hizmetlerini yerine getirdiklerini veya muaf olduklarını belgelendirenler bu yasa uyarınca askere alınmazlar. Bunlardan askerlik yapmayanlara veya askerliğini yaptığını tevsik edemeyenlere, bu Yasa kurallarına bağlı olarak askerlik hizmetleri yaptırılır. 49 yaşını tamamladıktan sonra Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığına geçenler ise askerlik yükümlülüğünü bu Yasanın 17’nci maddesinin (1)’inci fıkrasının (a) bendindeki bedeli ödeyerek serbest kalmak suretiyle de yerine getirebilirler.
Ancak, askerlik çağına girmeden önce Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığına geçenler askerlik çağına girdikleri tarihten başlayarak; askerlik çağına girdikten sonra Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığına geçenler ise yurttaşlığa geçtikleri tarihten başlayarak altı ay içinde müracaat etmedikleri takdirde yedek subaylık hakkından yararlanamazlar.”


Esas Yasa 16’ıncı 3. Esas Yasa, 16’ıncı maddesinin (1)’inci fıkrası kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni (1)’inci fıkra konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.
maddesinin
değiştirilmesi “(1) Bu Yasa’nın 14’üncü maddesi kapsamında olanlar Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti Dış Temsilciliklerine başvurabilirler. Başvurmamış olanlar ise Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetine ilk defa giriş yaptıkları tarihten itibaren 90 gün içerisinde müracaat etmek zorundadırlar.
90 gün içerisinde müracaat etmeyenlere Saklı işlemi yapılır.”





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Esas Yasa 33’üncü maddesinin değiştirilmesi 4. Esas Yasa, 33’üncü maddesi kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni 33’üncü madde konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.
“Yoklama kaçaklığı 33. Meşru bir mazareti olmaksızın duyuru yapılan tarih ve yerde hazır bulunmayarak yoklamaya katılmayanlara Yoklama Kaçağı denir. Bu Yasanın 15’inci maddesi kapsamında olanlardan yoklama kaçağı durumuna düşenler bu Yasanın 15’inci maddesindeki haktan yararlanamazlar.
Yoklama kaçaklarının isim listesi yakalanmaları için Polis Genel Müdürlüğüne gönderilir.”


Esas Yasa 36’ıncı maddesinin değiştirilmesi 5. Esas Yasa, 36’ıncı maddesinin (5)’inci fıkrası kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni (5)’inci fıkra konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.
“5. Hiçbir halde kişinin otuziki yaşını tamamladığı tarihi aşacak şekilde veya lisans üstü öğrenimini tamamlayabileceği en erken sürenin iki katından fazla yukarıdaki (1)’inci, (2)’nci ve (3)’üncü fıkralarda öngörülen erteleme yapılmaz.
Ancak, otuziki yaşını tamamladığı tarihte yukarıdaki (1)’inci, (2)’nci ve (3)’üncü fıkralarda öngörülen eğitimini bir yıl içinde tamamlayabileceğini belgelendirenlerin ertelemeleri bir yıla kadar uzatılabilir.”


Esas Yasa 37’inci maddesinin değiştirilmesi 6. (1) Esas Yasa, 37’nci maddesinin (1)’inci fıkrası kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni (1)’inci fıkra konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.

“(1) Bu Yasa’nın 14’üncü maddesi kapsamında olup süresi içinde başvuran ve daimi olarak yurt dışında ikamet etmeye devam edeceğini beyan edenlerin askerlik yükümlülüğü Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetine kesin dönüş yapacakları tarihe kadar ertelenir. Bunlar Güvenlik Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı ASAL Şubesine başvurarak bir defaya mahsus olmak üzere alacakları “Kesin Dönüş Yapana Yapana Kadar Askerlik Yükümlülüğü Ertelenmiştir.” kaydı taşıyan belgeyi Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyetine giriş ve çıkış kapılarında ibraz etmek zorundadırlar.”

(2) Esas Yasa, 37’nci maddesinin (2)’nci fıkrası kaldırılmak ve yerine aşağıdaki yeni (2)’nci fıkra konmak suretiyle değiştirilir.



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