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[insan]

No, but his article clearly claimed that Cyprus was a Turkish island and that Turkey expected it back. Isn't that advocating enosis with Turkey????
Don't you think the GC's at the time were fearing what Turkey would do?

Of course the counter-stance of TC leadership had frightened GC community but why GC leadership didn't take it into consideration that their attempts to achieve Enosis would frighten TCs and create a counter-stance similar with theirs?

[Main_Source]

What 'counter-stance'..this is what i've been saying in my last few posts. It was common knowledge, going back to the rule of Ataturk, that Turkey coverted Cyprus. Even William Shakespeare wrote it in Othello, thats how long Turkey has wanted Cyprus. Of course some Greeks would want union with Greece, as apart from unifying with people from the same culture, it would've make it harder for Turkey to invade.

[insan]

What 'counter-stance'..this is what i've been saying in my last few posts. It was common knowledge, going back to the rule of Ataturk, that Turkey coverted Cyprus. Even William Shakespeare wrote it in Othello, thats how long Turkey has wanted Cyprus. Of course some Greeks would want union with Greece, as apart from unifying with people from the same culture, it would've make it harder for Turkey to invade.

Enosis had been initiated in Cyprus long before Atatürk. Enosis had been initiated in Cyprus back in 1830s; in frame of megali-idea. What are you talking about?

[Main_Source]

hahahaha...talk about tit for tat.

If I had the time, I would really like to dig out the quote from Othello, refering how Turkey coverted Cyprus. You know VERY WELL Turkey has always wanted Cyprus, ever since they stepped foot into Asia Minor....and the idea for Enosis came into real fruition in the 1920's. The 1830's saw the beginning of islands that had been culturally Greek from before the Ottoman invasion (like Cyprus), bring about a revolution and join Greece.

But like I said, if you think the people in Cyprus are anticipating Enosis, even if we have close diplomatic ties with Greece, then you are paranoid.

[-mikkie2-]

Insan,

As you well know, much of the western coast of Turkey and Cyprus has a long history linked to Greece. I guess it is only natural for a small minority of Greeks to aspire to having those lands back under the Greek nation. However, do not for one minute suggest that the same is not true for the Turks because they also still aspire to the past glories of the Ottoman empire. Kucuk's commnts were and are part of that aspiration. As does Turkish overflights of Greek airspace are today (claiming half the Aegean in the process) and as does comments around the Iraq war that Kirkuk and much of northern Iraq (and its oil wealth) was legitimately Turkish! You cannot deny that there are similar 'aspiring' groups in Turkey. Call it the Turkik conspiracy!

[insan]

Insan,

As you well know, much of the western coast of Turkey and Cyprus has a long history linked to Greece. I guess it is only natural for a small minority of Greeks to aspire to having those lands back under the Greek nation. However, do not for one minute suggest that the same is not true for the Turks because they also still aspire to the past glories of the Ottoman empire. Kucuk's commnts were and are part of that aspiration. As does Turkish overflights of Greek airspace are today (claiming half the Aegean in the process) and as does comments around the Iraq war that Kirkuk and much of northern Iraq (and its oil wealth) was legitimately Turkish! You cannot deny that there are similar 'aspiring' groups in Turkey. Call it the Turkik conspiracy!

It is true. Call it whatever you like but don't come and tell me that TCs have nothing to fear about those Hellenic groups. Like you have fears about some turkish groups TCs also have the similar fears. This means a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation based on "political equality" and Turkish/Greek guarantorship is needed for a solution in Cyprus.

[-mikkie2-]

Thats right Insan. You like to make a big deal about the fears of the TC's using your 'Hellenic' conspiracies, yet you conveniently ignore our very justified fears of the Turks. I am happy with a BBF as long as human rights are not compromised (or made such as to minimise the compromise as I suggested to you before) but I do not want the guarantorship of Turkey or her troops in Cyprus, just as I don't want Greece or her troops in Cyprus. To me these are symbols of our tragic past and to maintain them will not let us move forward.

[insan]

Don't forget the far right and self-interest groups of two communities. If there's no balance of military or paramilitary power; TCs have to struggle/fight against a 4 times stronger evil force.(I mean the extremists, their political front and other self-interest groups; not ordinary Cypriots).


I believe there would be nothing to fear for GC community in an EU country under guarantorship of Turkey, Greece and EU.

[-mikkie2-]

I believe there would be nothing to fear for GC and TC community in an EU country!

[Main_Source]

Exactly Mikkie.

How the hell would events ever repeat themselves after everything thats happend in the past!? Like what are the odds of that? Especially now we are under the UN umbrella. Its not worth debating with Insan, he only has one thing on his mind and that is separation...his views lean so much to one side, they are almost falling over.