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[Main_Source]

Erolz, its not my fault that you are too ignorant to see the tactics the British army used to invade / or keep a hold of colonial land. Divide and conquer was the classic tactic used by the British, look at how they created Pakistan by dividing the muslims and non-muslims, when they had hold of India.

Its easy for you to refute all positive claims about EOKA but im showing you my perspective and the perspective of people who live in Nicosia during that time. Also, I do not know if your selective with your reding but from what I have read, freedom from the British was its first priority. Besides, EOKA is not the first violant struggle to come from suppresive colonial rule, the Greeks in cyprus had been under rule for the last few hundred years, since the Ottoman invasions of the Byzantine Empire. Why shouldnt they want to join other Greek cultural islands in joining Greece? Saying that, the only greivance I have with the Enosis idea is what would have happened to the Turkish Cypriots, which is why I agree with Enosis thoeretically but not the way it was attempted to be achieved. What do you expect the Greek Cypriots to go for!?...more British rule? an invasion by turkey (which was on the cards for years) or unity with Greece and the Greek culture? (and remember that choice was made before independance was an option). Right now though, I just think Cyprus should stay independant, for the Cypriots. Infact, I only empathised with the Enosis idea but think independance was the best option for Cyprus. Let me make it clear though, Turkey always coverted Cyprus and this was a known fact under Greek Cypriots.

Lastly, fuck the British army. Im glad they were shot and killed. The British army went around the world causing grief, why should we be kind to them? As for the Turkish Cypriot police officers, sorry but they new what they were getting into. I've admitted im not proud of some of the nationalist Greek activity but I find it hard to believe that you can keep on defending some of the Turkish Cypriots who also added to the tension in the air.

[insan]

so what you are trying to say erol is that any revolutionist organization that seeks the independence of its nation is a terrorist organization?

EOKA wasn't a revolutionist organization that seeking independence of its nation. So called independency was the mask they hid behind to achieve their goal. What EKOA under command of a well known monarcho-fascist sought was to annex Cyprus to Greece.

[insan]

Erolz, its not my fault that you are too ignorant to see the tactics the British army used to invade / or keep a hold of colonial land. Divide and conquer was the classic tactic used by the British, look at how they created Pakistan by dividing the muslims and non-muslims, when they had hold of India.

Brits didn't need to use such a tactic in Cyprus because Enosis idea which divided two communities took its inspiration from megali-idea which is something has no relevance with Brits.

[Kifeas]

I am very aware of the differences between the two AND the similarites. Both were terroist organisations. Both sought to use illegal violence to achieve political aims. Both contain many of the same people - at the most senior levels - like grivas..

Let me ask something here, Erolz.

Should the goal of the struggle was for independence and not for Enosis and should it had been organised by all Cypriots (Turkish Cypriots including) and should Grivas had not been the leader but someone else, wouldn’t still be a political aim? Would it still be illegal? Would it still be considered a terrorist action?

[Main_Source]

Of course they used such a tactic in Cyprus you arse. Do you think they employed all TC police force for the sake of it? Anyway, your talking like the British and the TC's were so innocnent. What about the Britsh who dumped some GC in the Turkish village of Gunyeli, only to be murdered by the TC's there. Did that not add to the air of tension among the two communities?

I dont expect you to try and understand the idea of Enosis and why it came about or British colonial tactics, because you seem so tunnel visioned, its not worth the depreciation on my keyboard.

[Kifeas]

To call the invasion a 'peace operation' is a joke.

I was in Lapithos in 1974 and I know very well and from "first hand’s" experience, how much of a “peace operation” it was.

[insan]

Of course they used such a tactic in Cyprus you arse. Do you think they employed all TC police force for the sake of it? Anyway, your talking like the British and the TC's were so innocnent. What about the Britsh who dumped some GC in the Turkish village of Gunyeli, only to be murdered by the TC's there. Did that not add to the air of tension among the two communities?

Yes you are right shitty arse. Although I'm too against all kinds of violence; as a consequence of human nature; I sometimes feel the need to retaliate the violators with the same methods they use.

http://www.sitemaker.gr/antiethnikistik ... oodyco.doc

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/frus/frus ... prus5.html

[-mikkie2-]

And just to counter Insans Hellenistic expansion plans how about this article written by Kucuk himself.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Kucuk-1954.htm

From a worldwide political point of view as well as from geographical and strategical points of view Cyprus must be handed to Turkey if Great Britain is going to quit.

This has been the attitude of the Turkish government. They have never taken the Greek campaign for enosis seriously because they believed that Great Britain's decision not to quit the island was an unassailable answer to the whole question; but they have made it emphatically clear that if Great Britain ever considers leaving Cyprus then the Turkish government has a great interest in the ownership of the island. The Turkish youth in Turkey, in fact, has grown up with the idea that as soon as Great Britain leaves the island the island will automatically be taken over by the Turks. It must be clear to all concerned that Turkey cannot tolerate seeing one of her former islands, lying as it does only forty miles from her shores, handed over to a weak neighbour thousands of miles away, which is politically as well as financially on the verge of bankruptcy.

Of course, the fact that the 'Turkish youth' was always taught that Cyprus would revert back to Turkish hands should Great Britain leave is not a dream of the Turks! The Turks never had dreams to take back Cyprus whole. No, of course it was just the greedy Greeks that wanted enosis, not the Turks!

[insan]

I don't deny this fact. It was written sometime in 50s when TC community organized to resist against Enosists with their own arguments. What's wrong with it? Would you wish them to give support to Enosists?

[-mikkie2-]

No, but his article clearly claimed that Cyprus was a Turkish island and that Turkey expected it back. Isn't that advocating enosis with Turkey????
Don't you think the GC's at the time were fearing what Turkey would do?