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Piratis

Anyways, in some cases we can be flexible. Nobody wants Ahmet to be homeless, but this should not come to expense of the legal owner of the property. Maybe one solution is if Ahmet sold his land in the south, and bought for yiorgos an equivalent part of land very near Yiorgos land.
This way they could be neighborers

Now you are talking sense, and I would agree with you Yiorgos could even live on his land on his new land by applying for residency of TCCS, they could be neightbours as you say.

[insan]

So what Ahmetees have today is a roten 30 year old villa whose original price of 100,000 today dropped to 30,000.

So for the Yorgouses there is a loss of use of 70,000 already, whereas for the Ahmetees there is a loss of use of 3,000 as his mad brick house collapsed a long time ago.

What makes Ahmets the poor TCs who had nothing more tnan mad brick house and the Yorgos the wealthy owners of expensive, modern houses? Most of the houses in GC villages which TC villagers and settlers were accomodated were also built of mud bricks. In towns most of the houses also built of mud bricks but the wealthy members of each community had houses built of yellow stone.

[Kifeas]

Viewpoint,

I come from Lapithos and I have about 10 donums of Land right on the seashore. In the south I was not given any TC land, or anyone else from my family, simply because there wasn’t enough TC land for all GC refugees to take. (If you might be aware, the ratio in terms of area -not value, between TC land left in the south and GC land left in the north, is close to 1: 3.7)

My Land was in a very prominent situation and I was planning, should a solution was agreed, to build a hotel or something similar. Equivalent land in the south, worth, at least, about UK£200,000 /donum, and the total about two million UK pounds. Should I had this land during all these years, I could have built this hotel let’s say 15 years ago. That means I could be making a third (1/3) of a million Cy£ of profit per year. This land was given to a family of TCs who moved from a mountain village in the south called Akoursos. In this village, which is in the mountains about 30 kms from Pafos, the family (they were shepherds) left behind a property of about 6 donums of dry and rocky land. After I met them in 2003, they told me about their land in the south and I contacted an investigation in the land registry. I located the land and I found also some GC ex-co villagers who also happened to own similar land in the surrounding areas of the TC family. I pretended that I was interested to buy some land from them (GCs) and some of them happily offered to sell me, even better land than the TCs have, for about UK£2,500 per donum.

In the mean time, the TC family that currently holds my land in Lapithos sold to one TC developer from Kyrenia (they also gave me his name) the 3 best, front of the sea located, donums for about UK£20,000 per donum (UK£60,000 all together.) Remember, the market value of similar land in the south is about UK£200,000 per donum and also similar pre-1974 TC land in Lapithos was at that time (2003) about UK£100,000 per donum. This TC developer sold, on the plans, and is currently building, 3 villas of about 180 sq. m each and with swimming pool. The Villas, as I was told by the developer himself, were sold to some UK citizens for about UK£80,000 each, obviously together with the land.

The remaining land (7 donums,) if it will ever be given back to me, is totally destroyed for the purpose I intended to use it, i.e. built a hotel, because the front part that is attached to the sea, is being sold as villas to the British.

The TC family’s only available land in Akoursos, with the most favorable estimation and valuation, does not exit UK£15,000. The British bought 3 donums of my land together with the 3 villas for UK£240,000, while only the value of the land used, worths UK£600,000 by “south” market prices and about UK£300,000 by current “north” market values of TC pre-1974 owned land. Bear in mind though here, that, in case and once a solution is agreed and "north" joins E.U., this “north” current market values will almost immediately rise up to nearly reach “south” market values, if not exit them in some cases.

How much should I be compensated with, and by whom?
What do I do?

PS: All the facts and figures I gave above are double checked and undisputable.

[-mikkie2-]

Kifeas,

You are really barking up the wrong tree to expect an answer that will satisfy you! Nothern Cyprus is a gold mine. It possesses 70% of the islands total economic potential. We have pretty much made the best use of the 30% of potential we had with the south. The 70% in the north has not even scratched the surface, yet we are told we should be content! We are told that its ok for 20% of the population to have control of 70% of the resources. Even when you consider the areas to be handed back under the Annan plan, that probably makes very little dent on that 70%.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

You are really barking up the wrong tree to expect an answer that will satisfy you! Nothern Cyprus is a gold mine. It possesses 70% of the islands total economic potential. We have pretty much made the best use of the 30% of potential we had with the south. The 70% in the north has not even scratched the surface, yet we are told we should be content! We are told that its ok for 20% of the population to have control of 70% of the resources. Even when you consider the areas to be handed back under the Annan plan, that probably makes very little dent on that 70%.

Thanks -mikkie2-,
I am well aware of these realities.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas, my honest opinion on this is that the valuation you have given should be taken into account, its obvious you no longer want the land back because you cannot use it for the purpose you were intending, you should be paid by the property board, who foots the bill well? the TCs that sold the land for false declaration, Turkey, Greece, International Aid,

Kifeas yours is a prime example why in time the property issue will become more and more difficult to unravel, time works against GC refugees.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas, my honest opinion on this is that the valuation you have given should be taken into account, its obvious you no longer want the land back because you cannot use it for the purpose you were intending, you should be paid by the property board, who foots the bill well? the TCs that sold the land for false declaration, Turkey, Greece, International Aid,

Kifeas yours is a prime example why in time the property issue will become more and more difficult to unravel, time works against GC refugees.

[insan]

I believe that the TC authorities who gave the TC family a GC land which was more valuable than what the TC family left in the South; should be judged and sentenced for the irregularity they made. On the other hand TC family also should be judged and sentenced to compensate Kifeas.

Though TC family might argue that they would be able to buy the land if there had been no inter - communal violence and imposed embargos in the last 40 years.

TC family also have a huge financial loss because of the inter-communal violence and imposed embargoes which mainly affected the TC community.

TC family has to prove that the responsible of the inter-communal violence was the GC leadership and the Hellenic para-miltaries. Besides TC family has to prove that the responsible of the unresolved Cyprus problem is GC administration; in order to get their compensations.

[Main_Source]

oh come on Insan, like that is going to happen!? If that was the case, the same authorities would go bankrupt in a minute, for the stolen land and properties they gave to the parasites who settled from Anatolia.

Kifeas, if the British now own that land...cant you sue like the Orams case? If you can...go for it.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas, my honest opinion on this is that the valuation you have given should be taken into account, its obvious you no longer want the land back because you cannot use it for the purpose you were intending,

Not necessarily, maybe my 2 brothers want it, but let assume, for the sake of discussion that we do not want the land and we will accept compensation.

you should be paid by the property board, who foots the bill well? the TCs that sold the land for false declaration, Turkey, Greece, International Aid,

Do you know how this compensation was going to be arranged by the property board and after how many years? Do you know what were the method of valuation and method of compensation, according to the A-plan?
Based on the A-plan formula dealing with the property issue, it is estimated that the total amount that this property board would have been required to pay, primarily to GC “north” land owners, was about 10 billion Cyprus pounds. This is the gab (difference) between the values of TC properties in the south, if none of them is returned to TCs, plus the value any GCs properties in the north that will be returned to GCs, minus GC properties in the north that according to A-plan cannot be returned to GCs and thus can only be claimed by TCs and foreigners who bought them. This is based on south market value standards and with the valid assumption that, once and upon a solution, north market values will soon equate those in the south. International aid pledges that were carried in Brussels before the referendums, managed to produce about 400 million Cyprus pounds. That is about 4% of the total amount needed, plus these pledges were not for property compensations but for the relocation of TCs and for rebuilding of infrastructure in Varoshia.

Kifeas yours is a prime example why in time the property issue will become more and more difficult to unravel, time works against GC refugees. ,

I Perfectly agree with you. That is why GCs are trying to stop this illegal construction and sale of GC properties to foreigners. Because if it is left to continue, it will make things much more difficult. As you are aware, one of the major reasons that GCs rejected the A-plan was the property provisions and the huge area/value gap that was going to be covered by compensation means. The needed amount is huge and the TC community is simply unable to cover it, not in the next 100 years. The current GDP of the “TRNC” is less than half a billion Cyprus pounds (450 millions.)