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[zan]

Get Real

Whatever

Case closed then!

[color=red]GR victim[/color] case #2738

Please remember this [color=red]nut case[/color] number if you ever want to refer back to it!

[Get Real!]

Get Real

Whatever

Case closed then!

[color=red]GR victim[/color] case #2738

Please remember this [color=red]nut case[/color] number if you ever want to refer back to it!

Try again Zannytunes...

[CopperLine]

Case closed then!

Huh !!! Get Real, it's generally customary for you to (i) have a case, then (ii) open it, before (ii) closing it. Couldn't you find (i) and (ii) with Google ?

[miltiades]

Copperline , all International community recognises the ROC as the sole legal entity in Cyprus, therefore the International community as well as the ROC view any unauthorised usage of the Cypriot ports as contravening International legalities. The fact that Turkey , a foreign power , is occupying part of Cyprus , and this is how the rest of the world views the situation , doesn't mean that the ROC is not the only legal entity in Cyprus.
May I say how admirably your defending the Ottoman Empire !!

[Kikapu]

Listen people, as a sailor, I'm beginning to get really sea sick with this topic.

First of all, who cares what Olli says as to which ports are legal and which is not. We all agree, that who decides which ports are legal in Cyprus as a whole island rests with the RoC, therefore, no other country who is a EU or a UN member is going to enter any ports on the island that has been deemed "closed" and at the same time, also use the ports in the RoC. Anyone who does that, will most certainly will need to have Balls as big, if not bigger than KING KONG's Balls. The fact that Turkey breaks the rules and gets away with it, is because they do not enter RoC ports.

CASE CLOSED:

[CopperLine]

Militiades

all International community recognises the ROC as the sole legal entity in Cyprus, therefore the International community as well as the ROC view any unauthorised usage of the Cypriot ports as contravening International legalities.

Actually that's precisely the problem we're dealing with. Just because it is an offence in State X to commit breach Y, and even if State X is recognised by every other state in the system, it does not make breach Y actionable in another state. Nor does breach Y in State X impose any obligations on all the other states to act against (prosecute) the violator of that municipal law. (The issue of the non-recognition of TRNC is irrelevant to this question) . That is precisely why we have international law and developments in international law, so that problems in one state can, by agreement, be addressed/remedied either in another state or in an international court.

My point here has been very simple : there has been no agreement, whether bilateral or multilateral, to deal with ships using ports in an unrecognised state. That being the case it is simply wrong to say that it is internationally illegal for ships to use Famagusta etc. There is no international law about this; there is only RoC municipal law which RoC can implement within Cyprus and try to have enforced in other states. The record however on the latter is, as far as I am aware, zero.

Incidentally I wasn't defending the Ottoman empire ! I was just pointing out that historically it was the Ottoman empire and the proto Turkish Republic which uniquely had militarily defeated British imperialism. I'm no apologist for imperialism wherever or in whatever form.

[denizaksulu]

Well where can we find the details?

Surely it cant be anything that serious, or the Southerners would be shitting bricks by now

No. Just buried their heads in the sand.

[Kifeas]

Militiades

all International community recognises the ROC as the sole legal entity in Cyprus, therefore the International community as well as the ROC view any unauthorised usage of the Cypriot ports as contravening International legalities.

Actually that's precisely the problem we're dealing with. Just because it is an offence in State X to commit breach Y, and even if State X is recognised by every other state in the system, it does not make breach Y actionable in another state. Nor does breach Y in State X impose any obligations on all the other states to act against (prosecute) the violator of that municipal law. (The issue of the non-recognition of TRNC is irrelevant to this question) . That is precisely why we have international law and developments in international law, so that problems in one state can, by agreement, be addressed/remedied either in another state or in an international court.

My point here has been very simple : there has been no agreement, whether bilateral or multilateral, to deal with ships using ports in an unrecognised state. That being the case it is simply wrong to say that it is internationally illegal for ships to use Famagusta etc. There is no international law about this; there is only RoC municipal law which RoC can implement within Cyprus and try to have enforced in other states. The record however on the latter is, as far as I am aware, zero.

Incidentally I wasn't defending the Ottoman empire ! I was just pointing out that historically it was the Ottoman empire and the proto Turkish Republic which uniquely had militarily defeated British imperialism. I'm no apologist for imperialism wherever or in whatever form.

Congratulations Copper! In your effort to defend the indefensible and vindicate the Turkish cause, you have once again managed the quadrature of the circle, and to trisect your hairs!

[zan]

Listen people, as a sailor, I'm beginning to get really sea sick with this topic.

First of all, who cares what Olli says as to which ports are legal and which is not. We all agree, that who decides which ports are legal in Cyprus as a whole island rests with the RoC, therefore, no other country who is a EU or a UN member is going to enter any ports on the island that has been deemed "closed" and at the same time, also use the ports in the RoC. Anyone who does that, will most certainly will need to have Balls as big, if not bigger than KING KONG's Balls. The fact that Turkey breaks the rules and gets away with it, is because they do not enter RoC ports.

CASE CLOSED:

Perhaps you should write in in Greek for these people to understand Copperline........The port IS being used and the little use it gets cannot be dictated to by the "RoC" or the EU..The only reason it is not used for exports is because of embargoes which make it economically viable. Wake up you clowns.....You have no say over the port it self.....FFS

[Get Real!]

Wake up you clowns.....You have no say over the port it self.....FFS

Oh yes we do Zanny...

CLOSED!