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I will help to speedily end this injustice of rampant Turk-Tcs running amok and completely lawless in a European country that has never set a foot wrong in their own country ...

Go home Turks .... wherever that may be .

[Get Real!]

Observer,

What exactly is your motive? Are you trying to find a loophole to justify and promote the illegally occupied port?

Isn’t a UN resolution condemning this ENTIRE “TRNC” debacle enough for you to realize what the international community thinks and wants?

If the very existence of the “TRNC” is ILLEGAL, in accordance with the world’s highest authority the UN, then how can it be possible that anything the “TRNC” does will be legal?

If and when you are willing & able to confront common sense on this matter your queries will be gone.

Regards, GR.

Hi GR,
I hope you dont mind me asking a simple question. It might help me understand your logic/common sense on this 'generalisation'. Is the HSBC in the North, Illegal? A YES or NO will suffice.

Regards

Deniz

My gripe is that we are beating around the bush when there are very clear facts surrounding the Famagusta port that make any legal/illegal argument pointless:

1. Its current state has come about as a result of the Turkish invasion of 74.
2. It forms part of what is referred to as the “occupied territories”.
3. It falls under UN resolution 541 which requests for its return to the RoC.
4. The TC community is currently using it, and has been using it, for its various internal needs.
5. The RoC condemns its use at the international level.

These are the major facts surrounding the Famagusta port and anyone who thinks that there’s some magical workaround for it to become a bustling Port Said without a solution to the Cyprus dilemma cannot be living in reality.

I don’t wish for my TC compatriots to have a difficult life but they need to realize that this port is no ordinary port but part of a past tragedy and it thus has an extraordinary status that cannot be reversed unless the tragedy itself is reversed.

If and when the TC community’s own status is turned around from a people in an unrecognized enclave and into a people in their recognized country then issues like the Famagusta port will also be resolved overnight so instead of concentrating on the branches of the tree maybe we should really be concentrating on the root.

Regards, GR.

[zan]

Observer,

What exactly is your motive? Are you trying to find a loophole to justify and promote the illegally occupied port?

Isn’t a UN resolution condemning this ENTIRE “TRNC” debacle enough for you to realize what the international community thinks and wants?

If the very existence of the “TRNC” is ILLEGAL, in accordance with the world’s highest authority the UN, then how can it be possible that anything the “TRNC” does will be legal?

If and when you are willing & able to confront common sense on this matter your queries will be gone.

Regards, GR.

Hi GR,
I hope you dont mind me asking a simple question. It might help me understand your logic/common sense on this 'generalisation'. Is the HSBC in the North, Illegal? A YES or NO will suffice.

Regards

Deniz

My gripe is that we are beating around the bush when there are very clear facts surrounding the Famagusta port that make any legal/illegal argument pointless:

1. Its current state has come about as a result of the Turkish invasion of 74.
2. It forms part of what is referred to as the “occupied territories”.
3. It falls under UN resolution 541 which requests for its return to the RoC.
4. The TC community is currently using it, and has been using it, for its various internal needs.
5. The RoC condemns its use at the international level.

These are the major facts surrounding the Famagusta port and anyone who thinks that there’s some magical workaround for it to become a bustling Port Said without a solution to the Cyprus dilemma cannot be living in reality.

I don’t wish for my TC compatriots to have a difficult life but they need to realize that this port is no ordinary port but part of a past tragedy and it thus has an extraordinary status that cannot be reversed unless the tragedy itself is reversed.

If and when the TC community’s own status is turned around from a people in an unrecognized enclave and into a people in their recognized country then issues like the Famagusta port will also be resolved overnight so instead of concentrating on the branches of the tree maybe we should really be concentrating on the root.

Regards, GR.

The whole thing came about because of the destruction of the constitution of the Cyprus Republic by use of force by the GCs...Didn't want to go back that far GR did you..... 1974....what a year...1963 was better though.....For you

[Get Real!]

The whole thing came about because of the destruction of the constitution of the Cyprus Republic by use of force by the GCs...Didn't want to go back that far GR did you..... 1974....what a year...1963 was better though.....For you

Tragedy = the whole Cyprus debacle

Feel better now?

[zan]

The whole thing came about because of the destruction of the constitution of the Cyprus Republic by use of force by the GCs...Didn't want to go back that far GR did you..... 1974....what a year...1963 was better though.....For you

Tragedy = the whole Cyprus debacle

Feel better now?

Not really..Be more specific

[Get Real!]

The whole thing came about because of the destruction of the constitution of the Cyprus Republic by use of force by the GCs...Didn't want to go back that far GR did you..... 1974....what a year...1963 was better though.....For you

Tragedy = the whole Cyprus debacle

Feel better now?

Not really..Be more specific

Turkey abandoning some of you on this terrible island?

[zan]

The whole thing came about because of the destruction of the constitution of the Cyprus Republic by use of force by the GCs...Didn't want to go back that far GR did you..... 1974....what a year...1963 was better though.....For you

Tragedy = the whole Cyprus debacle

Feel better now?

Not really..Be more specific

Turkey abandoning some of you on this terrible island?

Our Mother(land) left us in good hands when she was old and frail......You kicked them out

[Get Real!]

The whole thing came about because of the destruction of the constitution of the Cyprus Republic by use of force by the GCs...Didn't want to go back that far GR did you..... 1974....what a year...1963 was better though.....For you

Tragedy = the whole Cyprus debacle

Feel better now?

Not really..Be more specific

Turkey abandoning some of you on this terrible island?

Our Mother(land) left us in good hands when she was old and frail......You kicked them out

Mummy told you to return home or get lost in the Treaty of Lausanne...

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/treaty_of_lausanne.htm

(Articles 20 & 21)

[zan]

The whole thing came about because of the destruction of the constitution of the Cyprus Republic by use of force by the GCs...Didn't want to go back that far GR did you..... 1974....what a year...1963 was better though.....For you

Tragedy = the whole Cyprus debacle

Feel better now?

Not really..Be more specific

Turkey abandoning some of you on this terrible island?

Our Mother(land) left us in good hands when she was old and frail......You kicked them out

Mummy told you to return home or get lost in the Treaty of Lausanne...

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/treaty_of_lausanne.htm

(Articles 20 & 21)

Ok! Baby steps for you then.........The safe hands were those of the Brits GR so that treaty was fine in that sense........

[observer]

Observer,

What exactly is your motive? Are you trying to find a loophole to justify and promote the illegally occupied port?

Isn’t a UN resolution condemning this ENTIRE “TRNC” debacle enough for you to realize what the international community thinks and wants?

If the very existence of the “TRNC” is ILLEGAL, in accordance with the world’s highest authority the UN, then how can it be possible that anything the “TRNC” does will be legal?

If and when you are willing & able to confront common sense on this matter your queries will be gone.

Regards, GR.

My motive is to bring some precision into the discussion, instead of wide generalisations and insults which get nobody anywhere.

It was claimed that the use of Famagusta port was illegal. You and others have failed to prove that it is illegal and can not. Olli Rehn is correct.

The subject of committing a crime in one country and being extradited for it was brought up, quoting murder as an example. It is not as simple as you seem to think - you seem to believe "I make something illegal in my country and so every other country must send back the alleged criminal". Even RoC does not always send back alleged murders. See http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1 where RoC was refusing to send an alleged murderer back to USA because he might face the death penalty. I think RoC also has rules concerning extradition of its own citizens to other countries, although this may now be overridden by some EU agreements.

Making the use of Famagusta port illegal is a uniquely RoC law. It is not a law in any other country, just as banning women from driving is a uniquely Saudi Arabian law. Olli Rehn would be right in saying that it is not illegal for women to drive - he s just as right in saying that it is not illegal to use Famagusta port.

I know that it must be frustrating for you, but just because you don't like something doesn't make it illegal. So in future, before saying this and that is illegal, find a law that makes it illegal.