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[zan]

Wake up you clowns.....You have no say over the port it self.....FFS

Oh yes we do Zanny...

CLOSED!

My turn....OH NO YOU DON"T>>>> CLOSED!!!!

[denizaksulu]

Listen people, as a sailor, I'm beginning to get really sea sick with this topic.

First of all, who cares what Olli says as to which ports are legal and which is not. We all agree, that who decides which ports are legal in Cyprus as a whole island rests with the RoC, therefore, no other country who is a EU or a UN member is going to enter any ports on the island that has been deemed "closed" and at the same time, also use the ports in the RoC. Anyone who does that, will most certainly will need to have Balls as big, if not bigger than KING KONG's Balls. The fact that Turkey breaks the rules and gets away with it, is because they do not enter RoC ports.

CASE CLOSED:

Perhaps you should write in in Greek for these people to understand Copperline........The port IS being used and the little use it gets cannot be dictated to by the "RoC" or the EU..The only reason it is not used for exports is because of embargoes which make it economically viable. Wake up you clowns.....You have no say over the port it self.....FFS

Wasnt the state of Israel created on the basis of such an 'off the cuff remark'.

[Kikapu]

Listen people, as a sailor, I'm beginning to get really sea sick with this topic.

First of all, who cares what Olli says as to which ports are legal and which is not. We all agree, that who decides which ports are legal in Cyprus as a whole island rests with the RoC, therefore, no other country who is a EU or a UN member is going to enter any ports on the island that has been deemed "closed" and at the same time, also use the ports in the RoC. Anyone who does that, will most certainly will need to have Balls as big, if not bigger than KING KONG's Balls. The fact that Turkey breaks the rules and gets away with it, is because they do not enter RoC ports.

CASE CLOSED:

Perhaps you should write in in Greek for these people to understand Copperline........The port IS being used and the little use it gets cannot be dictated to by the "RoC" or the EU..The only reason it is not used for exports is because of embargoes which make it economically viable. Wake up you clowns.....You have no say over the port it self.....FFS

I'm still working on my Turkish Zan. Perhaps in my next life, I will also learn Greek.

The point I'm making Zan which I think you have missed it, is that, no country will dare to break the rules of the RoC and use any port that is "closed" and at the same time, will the offending countries do business as usual in the RoC. The fact that the "TRNC" and Turkey violates these rules are because first, an invasion and occupation, and secondly, an illegal state set up within a State. Those and violation of Human Rights are the reasons for the embargoes. If individual countries decided tomorrow to do business as usual with the "TRNC" from the
"closed ports", I can assure you, they will not be entering any of the RoC ports. The question is, who offers more business with the other countries who may be thinking about using "closed ports", The RoC or a illegal state, the "TRNC" who's future is uncertain. From business point of view, my money is on the RoC, whom the other countries will use, even if Olli says that the "closed ports" are not illegal to be used by anyone. Anything that an illegal state declares it to be legal, by definition, it becomes illegal, so that is the reason as no one other than Turkey and the "TRNC" uses these "closed ports". It is done, because they can, not because it is legal.

Olli is up to his old tricks again, by trying to inject some fears into what he might do, to try and sway on how the GC's will vote next month, just as tried, when he promised the "moon" to the TC's for their YES vote in 2004, just to get the GC's to vote YES also. It has been 4 years, and Olli is still trying to pull a "rabbit out of a hat" by trying to perform some tricks.

[CopperLine]

I agree with Kikapu, the reason the closed ports are not used is not because they're 'illegal' but because there simply is not enough business to make it worthwhile for most companies (regardless of where they're flagged, owned, etc). And the reason that RoC will continue to attract shipping business, compared to Famagusta, is not the legality issue but the economic weight of RoC compared with TRNC.

[zan]

Listen people, as a sailor, I'm beginning to get really sea sick with this topic.

First of all, who cares what Olli says as to which ports are legal and which is not. We all agree, that who decides which ports are legal in Cyprus as a whole island rests with the RoC, therefore, no other country who is a EU or a UN member is going to enter any ports on the island that has been deemed "closed" and at the same time, also use the ports in the RoC. Anyone who does that, will most certainly will need to have Balls as big, if not bigger than KING KONG's Balls. The fact that Turkey breaks the rules and gets away with it, is because they do not enter RoC ports.

CASE CLOSED:

Perhaps you should write in in Greek for these people to understand Copperline........The port IS being used and the little use it gets cannot be dictated to by the "RoC" or the EU..The only reason it is not used for exports is because of embargoes which make it economically viable. Wake up you clowns.....You have no say over the port it self.....FFS

I'm still working on my Turkish Zan. Perhaps in my next life, I will also learn Greek.

The point I'm making Zan which I think you have missed it, is that, no country will dare to break the rules of the RoC and use any port that is "closed" and at the same time, will the offending countries do business as usual in the RoC. The fact that the "TRNC" and Turkey violates these rules are because first, an invasion and occupation, and secondly, an illegal state set up within a State. Those and violation of Human Rights are the reasons for the embargoes. If individual countries decided tomorrow to do business as usual with the "TRNC" from the
"closed ports", I can assure you, they will not be entering any of the RoC ports. The question is, who offers more business with the other countries who may be thinking about using "closed ports", The RoC or a illegal state, the "TRNC" who's future is uncertain. From business point of view, my money is on the RoC, whom the other countries will use, even if Olli says that the "closed ports" are not illegal to be used by anyone. Anything that an illegal state declares it to be legal, by definition, it becomes illegal, so that is the reason as no one other than Turkey and the "TRNC" uses these "closed ports". It is done, because they can, not because it is legal.

Olli is up to his old tricks again, by trying to inject some fears into what he might do, to try and sway on how the GC's will vote next month, just as tried, when he promised the "moon" to the TC's for their YES vote in 2004, just to get the GC's to vote YES also. It has been 4 years, and Olli is still trying to pull a "rabbit out of a hat" by trying to perform some tricks.

Copperline wrote:

I agree with Kikapu, the reason the closed ports are not used is not because they're 'illegal' but because there simply is not enough business to make it worthwhile for most companies (regardless of where they're flagged, owned, etc). And the reason that RoC will continue to attract shipping business, compared to Famagusta, is not the legality issue but the economic weight of RoC compared with TRNC.

It took him a long time to get there though didn't it but still his post is mixed up.....

For the last time Kiks...The ports are not closed and are not illegal as you said..They are not viable due to embargoes and I agree that the "RoC" is using blackmail to keep other countries from using them.....You seem to be confusing yourself by contradicting yourself. Olli is not playing any tricks but stating the situation as it is...It is only you and the "RoC" that are saying that the ports are illegal to fool those that might be thinking of defying the "RoC" and so far it has worked......SO FAR>>>>>>>>Let me tell you a little story that I heard tonight....A young man, from the TRNC/KTC was stopped and charged in the UK for driving with a TRNC/KKTC driving licence on the basis that the TRNC/KKTC is not recognised. He was told by he lawyer to plead guilty because he was......An interpreter that went along to help him told him that he should not plead guilty because he was not. The interpreter then went and asked the courts for an adjournment so that they could take the case to the ECHR. The judge said on what grounds and the man said....This boy can drive with this license in the "RoC" and we have a conflict situation with them.....He said....We have no conflict with the UK. Is the "RoC" in the EU or not...Then why can he drive on a TRNC/KKTC in e "RoC" and not in any other EU country......The case was dropped a month later......The "RoC" my friend has tied its' own hands by trying to be too clever.......Olli has pointed out what we all know and you don't like it...That does not make it wrong......Or Illegal......The countries that are threatening to abort the "RoC" because of costs will also play a big part in this so he blackmail is a double edged sword.

[Kikapu]

Listen people, as a sailor, I'm beginning to get really sea sick with this topic.

First of all, who cares what Olli says as to which ports are legal and which is not. We all agree, that who decides which ports are legal in Cyprus as a whole island rests with the RoC, therefore, no other country who is a EU or a UN member is going to enter any ports on the island that has been deemed "closed" and at the same time, also use the ports in the RoC. Anyone who does that, will most certainly will need to have Balls as big, if not bigger than KING KONG's Balls. The fact that Turkey breaks the rules and gets away with it, is because they do not enter RoC ports.

CASE CLOSED:

Perhaps you should write in in Greek for these people to understand Copperline........The port IS being used and the little use it gets cannot be dictated to by the "RoC" or the EU..The only reason it is not used for exports is because of embargoes which make it economically viable. Wake up you clowns.....You have no say over the port it self.....FFS

I'm still working on my Turkish Zan. Perhaps in my next life, I will also learn Greek.

The point I'm making Zan which I think you have missed it, is that, no country will dare to break the rules of the RoC and use any port that is "closed" and at the same time, will the offending countries do business as usual in the RoC. The fact that the "TRNC" and Turkey violates these rules are because first, an invasion and occupation, and secondly, an illegal state set up within a State. Those and violation of Human Rights are the reasons for the embargoes. If individual countries decided tomorrow to do business as usual with the "TRNC" from the
"closed ports", I can assure you, they will not be entering any of the RoC ports. The question is, who offers more business with the other countries who may be thinking about using "closed ports", The RoC or a illegal state, the "TRNC" who's future is uncertain. From business point of view, my money is on the RoC, whom the other countries will use, even if Olli says that the "closed ports" are not illegal to be used by anyone. Anything that an illegal state declares it to be legal, by definition, it becomes illegal, so that is the reason as no one other than Turkey and the "TRNC" uses these "closed ports". It is done, because they can, not because it is legal.

Olli is up to his old tricks again, by trying to inject some fears into what he might do, to try and sway on how the GC's will vote next month, just as tried, when he promised the "moon" to the TC's for their YES vote in 2004, just to get the GC's to vote YES also. It has been 4 years, and Olli is still trying to pull a "rabbit out of a hat" by trying to perform some tricks.

Copperline wrote:

I agree with Kikapu, the reason the closed ports are not used is not because they're 'illegal' but because there simply is not enough business to make it worthwhile for most companies (regardless of where they're flagged, owned, etc). And the reason that RoC will continue to attract shipping business, compared to Famagusta, is not the legality issue but the economic weight of RoC compared with TRNC.

It took him a long time to get there though didn't it but still his post is mixed up.....

For the last time Kiks...The ports are not closed and are not illegal as you said..They are not viable due to embargoes and I agree that the "RoC" is using blackmail to keep other countries from using them.....You seem to be confusing yourself by contradicting yourself. Olli is not playing any tricks but stating the situation as it is...It is only you and the "RoC" that are saying that the ports are illegal to fool those that might be thinking of defying the "RoC" and so far it has worked......SO FAR>>>>>>>>Let me tell you a little story that I heard tonight....A young man, from the TRNC/KTC was stopped and charged in the UK for driving with a TRNC/KKTC driving licence on the basis that the TRNC/KKTC is not recognised. He was told by he lawyer to plead guilty because he was......An interpreter that went along to help him told him that he should not plead guilty because he was not. The interpreter then went and asked the courts for an adjournment so that they could take the case to the ECHR. The judge said on what grounds and the man said....This boy can drive with this license in the "RoC" and we have a conflict situation with them.....He said....We have no conflict with the UK. Is the "RoC" in the EU or not...Then why can he drive on a TRNC/KKTC in e "RoC" and not in any other EU country......The case was dropped a month later......The "RoC" my friend has tied its' own hands by trying to be too clever.......Olli has pointed out what we all know and you don't like it...That does not make it wrong......Or Illegal......The countries that are threatening to abort the "RoC" because of costs will also play a big part in this so he blackmail is a double edged sword.

Zan, we already agreed that documents coming out of the "TRNC" are accepted, just as they are coming out of Palestine due to political situations. I do not believe he can exchange it to a British licence if he were to stay in the UK, but he should be able to use it for one year as the case is for most foreign licences as long as one is a visitor, since the "TRNC" is not in the EU, but the TC himself was perhaps holding a RoC passport, which may confuse matters even more. What does that have to do with the ports being legal or illegal. What UK does with a drivers licence from the "TRNC" is one thing. What RoC does with it's territory is another, despite not having control on some parts of it. Since the RoC is the legal entity and can decide which ports are "open" and which are not, then other countries will more than likely will obey them, and so far, they have done so.

[zan]

Listen people, as a sailor, I'm beginning to get really sea sick with this topic.

First of all, who cares what Olli says as to which ports are legal and which is not. We all agree, that who decides which ports are legal in Cyprus as a whole island rests with the RoC, therefore, no other country who is a EU or a UN member is going to enter any ports on the island that has been deemed "closed" and at the same time, also use the ports in the RoC. Anyone who does that, will most certainly will need to have Balls as big, if not bigger than KING KONG's Balls. The fact that Turkey breaks the rules and gets away with it, is because they do not enter RoC ports.

CASE CLOSED:

Perhaps you should write in in Greek for these people to understand Copperline........The port IS being used and the little use it gets cannot be dictated to by the "RoC" or the EU..The only reason it is not used for exports is because of embargoes which make it economically viable. Wake up you clowns.....You have no say over the port it self.....FFS

I'm still working on my Turkish Zan. Perhaps in my next life, I will also learn Greek.

The point I'm making Zan which I think you have missed it, is that, no country will dare to break the rules of the RoC and use any port that is "closed" and at the same time, will the offending countries do business as usual in the RoC. The fact that the "TRNC" and Turkey violates these rules are because first, an invasion and occupation, and secondly, an illegal state set up within a State. Those and violation of Human Rights are the reasons for the embargoes. If individual countries decided tomorrow to do business as usual with the "TRNC" from the
"closed ports", I can assure you, they will not be entering any of the RoC ports. The question is, who offers more business with the other countries who may be thinking about using "closed ports", The RoC or a illegal state, the "TRNC" who's future is uncertain. From business point of view, my money is on the RoC, whom the other countries will use, even if Olli says that the "closed ports" are not illegal to be used by anyone. Anything that an illegal state declares it to be legal, by definition, it becomes illegal, so that is the reason as no one other than Turkey and the "TRNC" uses these "closed ports". It is done, because they can, not because it is legal.

Olli is up to his old tricks again, by trying to inject some fears into what he might do, to try and sway on how the GC's will vote next month, just as tried, when he promised the "moon" to the TC's for their YES vote in 2004, just to get the GC's to vote YES also. It has been 4 years, and Olli is still trying to pull a "rabbit out of a hat" by trying to perform some tricks.

Copperline wrote:

I agree with Kikapu, the reason the closed ports are not used is not because they're 'illegal' but because there simply is not enough business to make it worthwhile for most companies (regardless of where they're flagged, owned, etc). And the reason that RoC will continue to attract shipping business, compared to Famagusta, is not the legality issue but the economic weight of RoC compared with TRNC.

It took him a long time to get there though didn't it but still his post is mixed up.....

For the last time Kiks...The ports are not closed and are not illegal as you said..They are not viable due to embargoes and I agree that the "RoC" is using blackmail to keep other countries from using them.....You seem to be confusing yourself by contradicting yourself. Olli is not playing any tricks but stating the situation as it is...It is only you and the "RoC" that are saying that the ports are illegal to fool those that might be thinking of defying the "RoC" and so far it has worked......SO FAR>>>>>>>>Let me tell you a little story that I heard tonight....A young man, from the TRNC/KTC was stopped and charged in the UK for driving with a TRNC/KKTC driving licence on the basis that the TRNC/KKTC is not recognised. He was told by he lawyer to plead guilty because he was......An interpreter that went along to help him told him that he should not plead guilty because he was not. The interpreter then went and asked the courts for an adjournment so that they could take the case to the ECHR. The judge said on what grounds and the man said....This boy can drive with this license in the "RoC" and we have a conflict situation with them.....He said....We have no conflict with the UK. Is the "RoC" in the EU or not...Then why can he drive on a TRNC/KKTC in e "RoC" and not in any other EU country......The case was dropped a month later......The "RoC" my friend has tied its' own hands by trying to be too clever.......Olli has pointed out what we all know and you don't like it...That does not make it wrong......Or Illegal......The countries that are threatening to abort the "RoC" because of costs will also play a big part in this so he blackmail is a double edged sword.

Zan, we already agreed that documents coming out of the "TRNC" are accepted, just as they are coming out of Palestine due to political situations. I do not believe he can exchange it to a British licence if he were to stay in the UK, but he should be able to use it for one year as the case is for most foreign licences as long as one is a visitor, since the "TRNC" is not in the EU, but the TC himself was perhaps holding a RoC passport, which may confuse matters even more. What does that have to do with the ports being legal or illegal. What UK does with a drivers licence from the "TRNC" is one thing. What RoC does with it's territory is another, despite not having control on some parts of it. Since the RoC is the legal entity and can decide which ports are "open" and which are not, then other countries will more than likely will obey them, and so far, they have done so.

The word is that they cannot decide which is open and which is not...I thought you had finally got it and what Olli had said....THE PORT IS NOT ILLEGAL....The rest of the world s being blackmailed as you said and that is the only reason..Why are you chopping and changing as to what you mean...I know...Do you

[Kikapu]

The word is that they cannot decide which is open and which is not...I thought you had finally got it and what Olli had said....THE PORT IS NOT ILLEGAL....The rest of the world s being blackmailed as you said and that is the only reason..Why are you chopping and changing as to what you mean...I know...Do you

This is my final word tonight, which is what I posted earlier this evening.

Listen people, as a sailor, I'm beginning to get really sea sick with this topic.

First of all, who cares what Olli says as to which ports are legal and which is not. We all agree, that who decides which ports are legal in Cyprus as a whole island rests with the RoC, therefore, no other country who is a EU or a UN member is going to enter any ports on the island that has been deemed "closed" and at the same time, also use the ports in the RoC. Anyone who does that, will most certainly will need to have Balls as big, if not bigger than KING KONG's Balls. The fact that Turkey breaks the rules and gets away with it, is because they do not enter RoC ports.

CASE CLOSED:

Good Night Zan.

[zan]

The word is that they cannot decide which is open and which is not...I thought you had finally got it and what Olli had said....THE PORT IS NOT ILLEGAL....The rest of the world s being blackmailed as you said and that is the only reason..Why are you chopping and changing as to what you mean...I know...Do you

This is my final word tonight, which is what I posted earlier this evening.

Listen people, as a sailor, I'm beginning to get really sea sick with this topic.

First of all, who cares what Olli says as to which ports are legal and which is not. We all agree, that who decides which ports are legal in Cyprus as a whole island rests with the RoC, therefore, no other country who is a EU or a UN member is going to enter any ports on the island that has been deemed "closed" and at the same time, also use the ports in the RoC. Anyone who does that, will most certainly will need to have Balls as big, if not bigger than KING KONG's Balls. The fact that Turkey breaks the rules and gets away with it, is because they do not enter RoC ports.

CASE CLOSED:

Good Night Zan.

It meant nothing the first time round and it means nothing this time either......Olli was the kid that shouted out to the "RoC" that it has no clothes on...Another would-be king walking around bollock naked and not knowing it.........



The king is in the all together

The all together
The all together

He's all together as naked as the day that he was born

[observer]

I’ll have one final go.

Let us say that I come from Xland, which can be any country you choose other than RoC (or Greece?). Xland is one of the 200-odd UN members, and has signed and ratified every international treaty available.

I sail my boat, which is registered in Xland, from Xland to Famagusta, buy an ice cream at Patek’s (recommended) and then sail back to Xland. When I arrive back in Xland, at the port to meet me is the RoC ambassador, as angry as hell, because I have been to Famagusta port. Beside him is Xland’s Chief of Police, who is turning the pages of the book Xland laws.

For me as an Xland citizen, in an Xland boat, back on Xland territory, I have only committed a crime if I have done something against Xland laws. This includes international treaties, because Xland has ratified every international treaty available.

Despite days of asking, those saying that the use of Famagusta port is illegal have failed to come up with a single Xland, or a single international treaty saying that the use of Famagusta port (or any other port) is illegal.

I suppose we should not be too surprised, since the EU Commissioner for Enlargement (I wonder if he is the one who keeps sending me spam about enlargement) is likely to be both more careful about what he says, and have a bigger and better qualified legal team than GR and friends.