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[zan]

(c) those with special skills/qualifications that make their residence on the island a positive influence to the community and economy.

Comments?

I think that would be discrimination, everyone has special skills and qualities, perhaps our current system calls some prestigeous proffessions more important than other, however the fact that no doctor can live without a farmer and no farmer can live without a doctor shows that everyone contributes to the society in a different way.

Personally I believe that those who were born in Cyprus and have been married to a TC should be able to stay. Everyone else should be able to make applications for permanent residency and a limited number of applications should be accepted. How many? I guess a fair number would be around 10000, excluding those born in Cyprus and those married to TCs.

All TCs that support the Turkish invasion are traitors to the RoC .....

All those that support the "RoC" are traitors to Cyprus.....

Merely twisting my words around does not lead to a second round of logic (as logical as they may be in any format )

Who cares about logic when you are having fun........You obviously don't

[T_C]

Yes we are and PROUD!

Yes .... what are you?

Before a fall, .... comes what?

Pride. I know...and I do say it with pride specially when I'm replying to posts like your one above...."Traitors of the RoC" you say... Wasn't it YOU who was the ORIGINAL traitor of the RoC?

[phoenix]

Yes we are and PROUD!

Yes .... what are you?

Before a fall, .... comes what?

Pride. I know...and I do say it with pride specially when I'm replying to posts like your one above...."Traitors of the RoC" you say... Wasn't it YOU who was the ORIGINAL traitor of the RoC?

Being true to the RoC is doing what the majority deems best for the country at the time.

So how is that betraying the RoC?

[T_C]

[phoenix]

:roll:

Oh sweetie T_C .... what's wrong?

Does the "majority" word cause problems? ....

[stavrizatz]

(c) those with special skills/qualifications that make their residence on the island a positive influence to the community and economy.

Comments?

I think that would be discrimination, everyone has special skills and qualities, perhaps our current system calls some prestigeous proffessions more important than other, however the fact that no doctor can live without a farmer and no farmer can live without a doctor shows that everyone contributes to the society in a different way.

Personally I believe that those who were born in Cyprus and have been married to a TC should be able to stay. Everyone else should be able to make applications for permanent residency and a limited number of applications should be accepted. How many? I guess a fair number would be around 10000, excluding those born in Cyprus and those married to TCs.

All TCs that support the Turkish invasion are traitors to the RoC .....

What does that have to do with what I have just settlers issue???

But once you brought it up, what does the RoC do to make TCs feel part of it? The RoC has been officially denying the suffering of TCs and pnly the last few years it has been hostile to them. More confidence building measures have to be build to win the support of TCs.

GCs saying stop the occupation of our country means nothing, when TCs start doing that it will mean a lot.

[Piratis]

Piratis
Wrong again. You have the habit of substituting what you think should be the case for what is actually the case. So you claim that

'They are citizens of Turkey and Turkey is responsible for them, not us.'

Basically a citizen outside their country might have expected to receive the protection of their own state, but the home state does not owe that citizen an obligation to protect. So if you leave Cyprus and go and live in the UK you cannot demand that Cyprus protect you nor let alone take responsibility for you actions. This is basic stuff. And if you are no longer a citizen of the original/birth state then you can't claim anything at all.

You might think that morally Turkey has a responsibility for erstwhile Turkish citizens but it does not have a legal responsibility. And there are lots of cases where states have had clear moral responsibilities to their erstwhile citizens living permanently or semi-permanently outside the home country, and have 'abandoned' them. The history of the end of the British and French empires are littered with such cases. Incidentally Cypriots, on the whole, did not fall foul of this practice following independence - Cypriots being sufficiently white to be on the 'inside' of Britain's racist immigration and citizenship laws.

Cooperline, the Settlers are the responsibility of Turkey because they were brought to Cyprus by Turkey in violation of the Geneva convention.

The Settlers are not a responsibility neither of Cypriots nor of the Cypriot State.

If Turkey does not want to rectify its crime by compensating those people then those people have the right to seek justice against Turkey in the ECHR.

[humanist]

Cooperline, the Settlers are the responsibility of Turkey because they were brought to Cyprus by Turkey in violation of the Geneva convention.

The Settlers are not a responsibility neither of Cypriots nor of the Cypriot State.

If Turkey does not want to rectify its crime by compensating those people then those people have the right to seek justice against Turkey in the ECHR.

Nicely said Piratis

[Nikitas]

"erstwhile Turkish citizens" now that is a new one! What happened to the principle that nationality cannot be revoked by the state unilaterally? Turkey has no choice nor any latitude of discretion here. The people it brought over are its citizens and so is their offspring. End of story. Even the Annan plan recognised the problem and applied nationality rules. The offer to compensate these people to leave is a reasonable and generous one.

As for past practice we have several examples of decolonisation. Egypt offered a choice to foreign nationals who were encouraged to settle there by the colonial powers (France and UK). They could stay, become nationals after learning the language to a satisfactory level, take an oath of allegiance, or leave. On leaving they could take only personal property and 15 Egyptian pounds in cash. Real property was compulsorily purchased by the state at prices set by the state.

Britain refused to accept the Ugandan Asians relying on their ethnic origin, saying that India was their true ancestral homeland, not Britain. It invoked national interest saying that an influx of a half a million people would cause hardship to the nation as a whole. Half a million in a total of 55 million. Here the proportions are higher and the likely hardship worse still.

[utu]

There was one thing I didn't think about when I created this post: If Turkey becomes an EU member, their citizens will have the same rights to work and settle anywhere in the EU. That means in this circumstance that the settlers brought in by Turkey would become EU citizens with full rights.

In regards to your stance, Phoenix, your hard-line stance is going to do nothing to alleviate the situation. If indeed a setter married a Turkish Cypriot, then how does that make the T/C a traitor? G/C's can marry anyone they like can't they? Or do you favor only Cypriots marrying Cypriots at the cost of their citizenship if they marry foreigners?