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[Nikitas]

Copperline wrote:'

"There is a simple but controversial way out of this : simply say 'no one is illegal' On the day of settlement, whoever is resident in Cyprus is a free and equal citizen."

It is not simple. The settlers did not come from some impulse of their own. They were actively encouraged to move to Cyprus by the Turkish government and the arrangments made for their accomodation and reception are not similar to those usual arrangements made for immigrants.

Copperline forgets the fundamental prohibition of colonisation of land occupied by miliatry means and tries to make the situation seem as part of a normal immigration problem which it is NOT.

There is another aspect not mentioned in any posts. The various phases of the Cyprus problem pushed indigenous Cypriots of all communities to emigrate. A large part of the Cypriot diaspora would want to return when there is a solution. If no provision is made to encourage the return of these Cypriots then no measure can be taken for the benefit of settlers. Copperline forgets the principles of equality which give Cypriots the right to appeal all the way to ECHR demanding equal treatment with settlers. I for one would want exactly what settlers get and will demand it. Including a free parcel of land.

Settlers have a hometown to return to. They did not materialise out of thin air. They can be given financial incentives to leave. No one is talking about forcibly removing people. The only settlers that can stay are those that married Cypriots. The rest leave. Drastic but in the long run the only measure that is fair to Cypriots and one that will give crediility to any solution as a Cypriot solution and not one formulated to suit other nations interests.

Copperline does not understand the most basic psychological aspects of a settlement that involve a heavy compromise for the GC side. In a BBF which involves biregionality it is acceptable to cede your property to Cypriots but totally unacceptable to cede that property to mainland Turks.

[T_C]

So what do you tell someone who has 2 Turkish parents but was born and grew up in Cyprus Piratis? That Cyprus isn't their home afterall and that they have to go to Turkey and start a new life?

Thats nutts....

[boomerang]

Boomerang
Thanks for your explanation that

I would have thought that if one parent is a native it would have been obvious.

But the trouble is that things that may appear obvious/natural are never quite so. For example, it might seem obvious to you that is one parent is native then the children get to stay/get citizenship, but that 'obvious' principle doesn't even apply in UK citizenship law, for example.

On your settlement proposal, I can't answer personally because as I've said before on this Forum I think any solution based on territorial-communal division is doomed to repeat the traumas of the past. A non-communal federal Cyprus, yes. A bi/multi/communal federal Cyprus, no way. Since I don't support the premiss of your argument there's no point in me adding to the speculation about what such a solution would look like.

On the obvious, a lot of my anglo saxon friends claimed UK citizenship in the UK and got it without a problem...either threw both or one parent...and the parents still live in oZ...hell even David Hicks tried to get one but was refused due to alledged terrorists activities...they do draw the line somewhere I guess...

I am not sure about other countries...

Please explain to me as what kind of a system you support and how it is robust enough to avoid future problems...

this is why we are here copperline to try and find common ground...

[Piratis]

So what do you tell someone who has 2 Turkish parents but was born and grew up in Cyprus Piratis? That Cyprus isn't their home afterall and that they have to go to Turkey and start a new life?

Thats nutts....

That person can sue Turkey for causing to him this problem in the ECHR.

I have nothing personal against the Settlers, nor I want them to be harmed in any way. Turkey is responsible for her illegal actions and responsible for its own citizens transfered illegally to Cyprus.

I am sure that if a large enough compensation is given to them by Turkey those people will have no problem to start a new, richer, life out of Cyprus.

[Nikitas]

So what do you tell someone who has 2 Turkish parents but was born and grew up in Cyprus Piratis? That Cyprus isn't their home afterall and that they have to go to Turkey and start a new life?

Thats nutts....

No it is not nutts. It is a good idea, they leave with some compensation. That is it. Cypriots come first, and if there are no equal measures to encourage Cypriots to return then no provision can be made for settlers.

The settlers knew what they were getting into when they decided to come. Now they can leave the same way.

[Piratis]

The settlers knew what they were getting into when they decided to come. Now they can leave the same way.

Nikitas, personally I do not blame the people. Most of them are just uneducated peasants that were used by Turkey for her own sick plans against Cyprus.

Turkey is the one who should pay the price for her illegal actions. Not Cypriots, not the Cypriot State, and not even the Settlers themselves.

[T_C]

They ARE Cypriots though, they were born and grew up in Cyprus....how can you tell people to leave their birthplace because of what happened 40 years ago?

The settlers like the ones coming from Hatay are a different matter since they're the first to tell you they're not Cypriot....but the more I hear about these ideas the more I'm convinced that unification is more trouble than it's worth....

[T_C]

Well I say the TCs get their act together and start compiling a list of the Greeks which THEY think do not meet the criteria to stay in Cyprus. The ones that were given residence while the TCs were out of the government must be reviewed since we had no say if we wanted these people (who may I add caused us many problems) in our country.

[Piratis]

They ARE Cypriots though, they were born and grew up in Cyprus....how can you tell people to leave their birthplace because of what happened 40 years ago?

The settlers like the ones coming from Hatay are a different matter since they're the first to tell you they're not Cypriot....but the more I hear about these ideas the more I'm convinced that unification is more trouble than it's worth....

Settlers are not Cypriot. They are citizens of Turkey and Turkey is responsible for them, not us.

And unification is not about being convenient. It is about justice being served, and Cyprus being liberated from foreign occupation.

[Viewpoint]

They ARE Cypriots though, they were born and grew up in Cyprus....how can you tell people to leave their birthplace because of what happened 40 years ago?

The settlers like the ones coming from Hatay are a different matter since they're the first to tell you they're not Cypriot....but the more I hear about these ideas the more I'm convinced that unification is more trouble than it's worth....

Settlers are not Cypriot. They are citizens of Turkey and Turkey is responsible for them, not us.

And unification is not about being convenient. It is about justice being served, and Cyprus being liberated from foreign occupation.

You display a perfect viewpoint of why there will never be a solution in Cyprus. No compromise.