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[Mano]

Id greatly appreciate some enlightenment on this matter
Iv been reading from different sources and I have been left a bit confused to do the multiple stories iv been getting.

Basically I want to know how did the Annan plan come to an end.

Is the following train of thought is basically correct:

The Annan plan failed twice
The first time it was when Denktash walked out from the Hague. After he left The Hague there were to be no referendum the plan had failed, as such Annan reported to the SC that it had failed.
After though the acts of good will such as the opening of the boarders, the negotiations restarted under the precondition that whether the two parties had come to an agreement or not by a given date, the plan would be put forth for referendum.
is this correct?

[Andrik]

The plan was a complete failure from the moment it was first drafted,the rest is just detail!

[insan]

The Annan Plan was failed by certain cycles because:

1- The plan didn't provide the long awaited goals of Hellenic dreamers:

a- Withdrawal of all Turkish troops and nullification of 60s agreements.

b- Majority rule

c- Return of all GC refugees and relocation of all TC refugees.

d- Repatriation of all settlers.

Any plan which does not provide these goals to Hellenic dreamers has always undermined to fail by Hellenic dreamers. Now Hellenic dreamers are in dream of "European Solution" which they think they would get all what they dream of. Besides; any plan which provides any of the above mentioned Hellene dreams, will be destroyed by TC community and Turkey.

[magikthrill]

Your repsonse makes sense but there's nothign wrong with the arguments you use:

The Annan Plan was failed by certain cycles because:

1- The plan didn't provide the long awaited goals of Hellenic dreamers:

a- Withdrawal of all Turkish troops and nullification of 60s agreements.

Boy these dreamers are pretty crazy. Why on Earth shoudl they support the removal of a FOREIGN ARMY from their own country.

b- Majority rule

Well seeing as democracy which born from the Ancient Hellenes, no surprise here.

c- Return of all GC refugees and relocation of all TC refugees.

Return of ALL refugess is more likely here. If you are living in a stolen home and never had to leave your home originally tough tooshies.

d- Repatriation of all settlers.

Again damn dreamers. How can they possibly wish to have foreign citizens gain citizenship after 30 years of illegal residency?

[insan]

Boy these dreamers are pretty crazy. Why on Earth shoudl they support the removal of a FOREIGN ARMY from their own country.

For security of all Cypriots, a well balanced military power is needed in Cyprus not withdrawal of all turkish troops. GCs have no complaints about 17.000 National Guard + 4000 Eldik and 35.000 GC reservists. do you think TCs and Turkey are blind not to see what's the real aim here?

Well seeing as democracy which born from the Ancient Hellenes, no surprise here.

It is valid for nation states not bi-communal, bi-zonal, bi-ethnic federations which has very different historical background than any other countries on planet earth. TCs and Turkey are not blind not to see where the majority rule will lead them.

Return of ALL refugess is more likely here. If you are living in a stolen home and never had to leave your home originally tough tooshies.

So why did the GC leadership signed 1975 3rd Viena Agreement and 1977 Summit Agreements and gave hope majority of TCs to build their new life in those "stolen" properties. By signing those agreements GC leadership accepted that just a certain number of GC refugees would be able to return. The rest of the GC refugees would stay in the properties they stole from TCs in pre-74 and post-74.

Again damn dreamers. How can they possibly wish to have foreign citizens gain citizenship after 30 years of illegal residency?

Just like how GC leadership occupied RoC in last 30 years. All settlers who are citizens of "TRNC" given the citizenship by naturalization. You like it or not. The only problem for settlers is the GC properties they occupy. TCs accepted to help those people to be relocated or given public assistance to buy the GC properties they invested and developed in the last 30 years.


I know it's a waste of time trying to explain you the other side of the medallion. I'm sure majority of Hellenes will never change their mentality. All TCs are well aware of this situation. Even the most fiery defenders of reunification. Every day we are getting more closer to partition. In the end TCs will exchange what GCs "stole" from them in last 40 years and settle the accounts.

[cannedmoose]

The plan was a complete failure from the moment it was first drafted,the rest is just detail!

Thanks for your meaningless contribution to the debate... constructive comments are obviously beyond you.

Incidentally, Mano, welcome to the forum (nice avatar!)

[Andrik]

The plan was a complete failure from the moment it was first drafted,the rest is just detail!

Thanks for your meaningless contribution to the debate... constructive comments are obviously beyond you.

Incidentally, Mano, welcome to the forum (nice avatar!)

I dont see your contribution to the debate, especially in the form of analysing what I have just said and explaining to me (and everyone else that is participating) what was so good about the plan that U would have us Greeks vote in favour of it??

[brother]

Maybe you should spend some time reading the many pages of debate we have had on the topic rather than throwing meaningless tripe around, just a thought.

[Andrik]

Maybe you should focus on my avatar!

[brother]

meaning what?