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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby zan » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:34 am

boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
Eliko wrote:
zan wrote:
Eliko wrote:On approaching the border crossing at Kermia, one is obliged to drive under a gantry which declares something like "I am so glad to be a Turk", such signs as these, in keeping with many other examples of deliberate antagonism displayed on mountainsides and pinnacles do little to ease tensions.

They also serve to illustrate the fact that the occupiers have adopted a grim determination to stay put.

On one wall of the interior of 'Kyrenia Castle' (Girne Kalesi'), a plaster motif depicting the history of conquests, proudly emphasizes the fact that Cyprus (or part of it) has once again fallen victim to an occupying force.

Such examples as these send a clear message to both T/C and G/C (unfortunate titles in my opinion since we are all Cypriots or descendants of) that regardless of our own feelings, we are powerless to effect changes.

The future of this island will be determined by the political and military leaders, those of us (or our families) that have suffered as a result of the invasion/occupation, are of no consequence to any one of our so-called representative leaders or protectors since they are primarily concerned with their own status and well-being.

Armed with such knowledge as this, is it not pointless to continually hurl abuse at each other?, such attitudes only bolster the policies of those who are in control and do nothing to encourage peace.

At St Hilarion Castle (Kalesi) there are several windows at the highest peak, from time to time, certain plotters and undesirables were ejected from these windows (defenestrated), it might be a good idea to subject those who are responsible for the situation that now exists, to be offered the courtesy of those windows.

Not the unfortunate 40,000 or so troops who are obliged to undertake the dirty work of those who are in control of them, they too are powerless to resolve the issues.

In my humble opinion of course. :wink:


And the reasons why the so called invaders are there does not concern you???? The fact that the Cyprus Republic has been usurped by the GCs and the "RoC" bares no resemblance to the original???


zan, the reasons for the invasion are adequately covered by my comments in that they are the result of political manoeuvrings, I am quite sure that the Cypriot people were perfectly happy with their co-existence prior to the introduction of military/political/religious antagonism.

My father was a native of Rizokarpaso, I never heard him (as a G/C) slating his T/C friends and companions. :)


Your use of the words "Occupying Force" Does not do justice to the facts Eliko and are misleading........In that they have no reason to be here. Do ou consider the UN as an occupying Force??????


Now thats funny :lol: :lol:

See I haven't lost my sence of humour... :lol:


Or your lack of understanding and your loyalty to the party line........I have already said, many times :roll: that you have won the legal battle with a technicality designed to do just that Boomers but am asking for some honesty....I understand that you are fearful of the Double Jeopardy law but hat does not help find a solution. It only serves to help you hold onto what isn't just yours.....Cyprus.


Man you are losing it...

1...what party line
2...what have I won in a legal battle
3...fearful of double Jeopardy
Stop speading rumours Zan, I don't live in "turkey" :lol:

Lets speak about honesty Zan...I favour a democratic strong federal system, like the rest of the developed world, to which I believe the tcs will be a majority in the NTH...

Further more with the extra citizens that you just granted citizenship, you will not be an 18% minority...you are already 30% anyway...so a unitary system is ok too...

Honest enough for you zan?...


You had better get working on the Anan Plan then because after the elections Tpap might need some guidance...They still haven't defined what that system means to them........ :lol: :lol: :lol: GOooooooooooo Matsakis.
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Postby Eliko » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:39 am

zan, my reference to the 'Occupying Force' was intended to draw attention to the fact that (as displayed in Kyrenia Castle/Girne Kalesi) it is an example of antagonism, hardly conducive to encouraging peace on the island.

As to the U.N. and their presence here, they have established themselves as peace-keepers, whether or not they are a necessity is a moot point, I would personally like to see Cyprus devoid of any military presence, such a situation is of course not possible due to our geographical position.

What concerns me most of all is the fact that the inhabitants of Cuprus have become so intolerant of each other, it represents a victory for those who engineered the situation in the first instance and I feel that that is a shame. :wink:
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Postby boomerang » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:40 am

zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
Eliko wrote:
zan wrote:
Eliko wrote:On approaching the border crossing at Kermia, one is obliged to drive under a gantry which declares something like "I am so glad to be a Turk", such signs as these, in keeping with many other examples of deliberate antagonism displayed on mountainsides and pinnacles do little to ease tensions.

They also serve to illustrate the fact that the occupiers have adopted a grim determination to stay put.

On one wall of the interior of 'Kyrenia Castle' (Girne Kalesi'), a plaster motif depicting the history of conquests, proudly emphasizes the fact that Cyprus (or part of it) has once again fallen victim to an occupying force.

Such examples as these send a clear message to both T/C and G/C (unfortunate titles in my opinion since we are all Cypriots or descendants of) that regardless of our own feelings, we are powerless to effect changes.

The future of this island will be determined by the political and military leaders, those of us (or our families) that have suffered as a result of the invasion/occupation, are of no consequence to any one of our so-called representative leaders or protectors since they are primarily concerned with their own status and well-being.

Armed with such knowledge as this, is it not pointless to continually hurl abuse at each other?, such attitudes only bolster the policies of those who are in control and do nothing to encourage peace.

At St Hilarion Castle (Kalesi) there are several windows at the highest peak, from time to time, certain plotters and undesirables were ejected from these windows (defenestrated), it might be a good idea to subject those who are responsible for the situation that now exists, to be offered the courtesy of those windows.

Not the unfortunate 40,000 or so troops who are obliged to undertake the dirty work of those who are in control of them, they too are powerless to resolve the issues.

In my humble opinion of course. :wink:


And the reasons why the so called invaders are there does not concern you???? The fact that the Cyprus Republic has been usurped by the GCs and the "RoC" bares no resemblance to the original???


zan, the reasons for the invasion are adequately covered by my comments in that they are the result of political manoeuvrings, I am quite sure that the Cypriot people were perfectly happy with their co-existence prior to the introduction of military/political/religious antagonism.

My father was a native of Rizokarpaso, I never heard him (as a G/C) slating his T/C friends and companions. :)


Your use of the words "Occupying Force" Does not do justice to the facts Eliko and are misleading........In that they have no reason to be here. Do ou consider the UN as an occupying Force??????


Now thats funny :lol: :lol:

See I haven't lost my sence of humour... :lol:


Or your lack of understanding and your loyalty to the party line........I have already said, many times :roll: that you have won the legal battle with a technicality designed to do just that Boomers but am asking for some honesty....I understand that you are fearful of the Double Jeopardy law but hat does not help find a solution. It only serves to help you hold onto what isn't just yours.....Cyprus.


Man you are losing it...

1...what party line
2...what have I won in a legal battle
3...fearful of double Jeopardy
Stop speading rumours Zan, I don't live in "turkey" :lol:

Lets speak about honesty Zan...I favour a democratic strong federal system, like the rest of the developed world, to which I believe the tcs will be a majority in the NTH...

Further more with the extra citizens that you just granted citizenship, you will not be an 18% minority...you are already 30% anyway...so a unitary system is ok too...

Honest enough for you zan?...


You had better get working on the Anan Plan then because after the elections Tpap might need some guidance...They still haven't defined what that system means to them........ :lol: :lol: :lol: GOooooooooooo Matsakis.


Zan I gave you my honest opinion and you come back with a banana plan...now is that fair?

How about you tabling what you wanna see...
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Postby zan » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:45 am

Eliko wrote:zan, my reference to the 'Occupying Force' was intended to draw attention to the fact that (as displayed in Kyrenia Castle/Girne Kalesi) it is an example of antagonism, hardly conducive to encouraging peace on the island.

As to the U.N. and their presence here, they have established themselves as peace-keepers, whether or not they are a necessity is a moot point, I would personally like to see Cyprus devoid of any military presence, such a situation is of course not possible due to our geographical position.

What concerns me most of all is the fact that the inhabitants of Cuprus have become so intolerant of each other, it represents a victory for those who engineered the situation in the first instance and I feel that that is a shame. :wink:

Politics, anger, frustration and fear have all contributed to the mentality of the TCs and this is channeled against the "RoC" and the worlds misunderstanding of the situation the TCs have found themselves in Eliko....Unerstanding where we are coming from will get rid of those things you are talking about and not shifting the blame on powers that we have no control over.
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Postby umit07 » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:54 am

Is there a GC who doesn't say TURK's out of Cyprus?

The question is how far they are going back, the next day in a settlement they may call us "Muslim Greeks" and the ones that don't go by it will hear the same chants again "Turks out of Cyprus".
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Postby boomerang » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:57 am

Its simple...drop the greek and turk and just be a plain cypriot...
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Postby umit07 » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:01 pm

You guys haven't dropped the Greek thing in all the years of so called independence so what makes you think it's so easy for us?
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Postby boomerang » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:38 pm

I never called myself a greek...just a Cypriot...try it out its liberating
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:42 pm

Yea it is if you are a dumbass ozzy, leave that choice to the real Cypriots who actually live here :lol:
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Postby boomerang » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:48 pm

shahmaran wrote:Yea it is if you are a dumbass ozzy, leave that choice to the real Cypriots who actually live here :lol:


Once you realised what you wrote you will aslo realise who the dumbass is "Mr Cypriot" :lol:
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