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[Pumpy]

...then why not give it to them?

They don't want to be treated like a minority or a 2nd class citizenry and want parity in parliamentary say.

Ok, what's the problem with that? Any government that operates under a PR system has people belonging to smaller parties on the cabinet, so why not offer the TCs such a system under a unified Island democracy?

I think the GCs doth protest too much.

[Nikitas]

A unified island democracy, with a PR system, guess that means Proportional Representation. Which means the GCs get 82 per cent of the vote and TCs 18 per cent. So where is the problem Pumpy? That is precisely what the TCs do not want. Where have you been all these years?

[Piratis]

Political equality as it is realized in the whole democratic world means that all citizens of a country are equal without racist or other discriminations. This way there is just one class of citizens, which are all equal among each other.

This is what we want, and of course nobody denied to TCs to have their own parties within the parliament like all PR democracies. Nor we ever asked for them to have any less rights than we do.

What TCs want though is not political equality as it exists in all democratic countries. What they want is exactly the opposed: Dividing people along ethnic lines in order to create two categories of citizens, with GCs being the 2nd category ones. There is no kind of democratic country where the people and power are divided along ethnic lines. The last such regime was the Apartheid of South Africa. Maybe you find justified the claim of the Whites of South Africa that they were not a minority (although they were) and they ruled the country against the wishes of the great majority of people of that country?

Now apartheid collapsed in South Africa and each person is equal to another and there is democracy which means one person one vote without racist discriminations. And thats what real political equality means, not the apartheid that TCs want.

Just like the South Africans we have also been ruled by foreign rulers for way too long. The people that those rulers brought to our island are welcome to stay in Cyprus as equal Cypriot and European citizens, just like the Whites can stay in SA. But they should realize that the era of colonialism is over and they should finally allow Cyprus to rule itself in a democratic way as it happens in every other democratic country in the world.

[Expatkiwi]

Political equality as it is realized in the whole democratic world means that all citizens of a country are equal without racist or other discriminations. This way there is just one class of citizens, which are all equal among each other.

This is what we want, and of course nobody denied to TCs to have their own parties within the parliament like all PR democracies. Nor we ever asked for them to have any less rights than we do.

What TCs want though is not political equality as it exists in all democratic countries. What they want is exactly the opposed: Dividing people along ethnic lines in order to create two categories of citizens, with GCs being the 2nd category ones. There is no kind of democratic country where the people and power are divided along ethnic lines. The last such regime was the Apartheid of South Africa. Maybe you find justified the claim of the Whites of South Africa that they were not a minority (although they were) and they ruled the country against the wishes of the great majority of people of that country?

Now apartheid collapsed in South Africa and each person is equal to another and there is democracy which means one person one vote without racist discriminations. And thats what real political equality means, not the apartheid that TCs want.

Just like the South Africans we have also been ruled by foreign rulers for way too long. The people that those rulers brought to our island are welcome to stay in Cyprus as equal Cypriot and European citizens, just like the Whites can stay in SA. But they should realize that the era of colonialism is over and they should finally allow Cyprus to rule itself in a democratic way as it happens in every other democratic country in the world.

You really think that is going to happen? Greeks hate Turks and will certainly not be opening their arms to them saying "you're welcome!" for anything sustantive - especially a say in the running of the country.
Sounds like you're in Cloud-Cookoo-Land...

[relatino]

Just like the South Africans we have also been ruled by foreign rulers for way too long. The people that those rulers brought to our island are welcome to stay in Cyprus as equal Cypriot and European citizens, just like the Whites can stay in SA. But they should realize that the era of colonialism is over and they should finally allow Cyprus to rule itself in a democratic way as it happens in every other democratic country in the world.

I agree 120%.

[DT.]

...then why not give it to them?

They don't want to be treated like a minority or a 2nd class citizenry and want parity in parliamentary say.

Ok, what's the problem with that? Any government that operates under a PR system has people belonging to smaller parties on the cabinet, so why not offer the TCs such a system under a unified Island democracy?

I think the GCs doth protest too much.

Methinks pumpy doth show too little knowledge

[Gabira]

Political equality as it is realized in the whole democratic world means that all citizens of a country are equal without racist or other discriminations. This way there is just one class of citizens, which are all equal among each other.

This is what we want, and of course nobody denied to TCs to have their own parties within the parliament like all PR democracies. Nor we ever asked for them to have any less rights than we do.

What TCs want though is not political equality as it exists in all democratic countries. What they want is exactly the opposed: Dividing people along ethnic lines in order to create two categories of citizens, with GCs being the 2nd category ones. There is no kind of democratic country where the people and power are divided along ethnic lines. The last such regime was the Apartheid of South Africa. Maybe you find justified the claim of the Whites of South Africa that they were not a minority (although they were) and they ruled the country against the wishes of the great majority of people of that country?

Now apartheid collapsed in South Africa and each person is equal to another and there is democracy which means one person one vote without racist discriminations. And thats what real political equality means, not the apartheid that TCs want.

Just like the South Africans we have also been ruled by foreign rulers for way too long. The people that those rulers brought to our island are welcome to stay in Cyprus as equal Cypriot and European citizens, just like the Whites can stay in SA. But they should realize that the era of colonialism is over and they should finally allow Cyprus to rule itself in a democratic way as it happens in every other democratic country in the world.

You really think that is going to happen? Greeks hate Turks and will certainly not be opening their arms to them saying "you're welcome!" for anything sustantive - especially a say in the running of the country.
Sounds like you're in Cloud-Cookoo-Land...

I agree 120% ... Hmmm, I musn't be "Cypriot"

[Piratis]

Political equality as it is realized in the whole democratic world means that all citizens of a country are equal without racist or other discriminations. This way there is just one class of citizens, which are all equal among each other.

This is what we want, and of course nobody denied to TCs to have their own parties within the parliament like all PR democracies. Nor we ever asked for them to have any less rights than we do.

What TCs want though is not political equality as it exists in all democratic countries. What they want is exactly the opposed: Dividing people along ethnic lines in order to create two categories of citizens, with GCs being the 2nd category ones. There is no kind of democratic country where the people and power are divided along ethnic lines. The last such regime was the Apartheid of South Africa. Maybe you find justified the claim of the Whites of South Africa that they were not a minority (although they were) and they ruled the country against the wishes of the great majority of people of that country?

Now apartheid collapsed in South Africa and each person is equal to another and there is democracy which means one person one vote without racist discriminations. And thats what real political equality means, not the apartheid that TCs want.

Just like the South Africans we have also been ruled by foreign rulers for way too long. The people that those rulers brought to our island are welcome to stay in Cyprus as equal Cypriot and European citizens, just like the Whites can stay in SA. But they should realize that the era of colonialism is over and they should finally allow Cyprus to rule itself in a democratic way as it happens in every other democratic country in the world.

You really think that is going to happen? Greeks hate Turks and will certainly not be opening their arms to them saying "you're welcome!" for anything sustantive - especially a say in the running of the country.
Sounds like you're in Cloud-Cookoo-Land...

I am sure the Whites of South Africa can also say that "Blacks hate whites". So I guess the Apartheid should have continued?

Any hate is a result of oppression and violations of human rights. It doesn't come out of the blue. While the TCs are brainwashed with anti-GC propaganda since this is what serves their partition aim, most Greek Cypriots see Turkish Cypriots as their compatriots and only hate the Turks and their army. A real democracy and full human rights for all without racist discriminations is the only thing that can bring Cyprus to normality.
And if this happens even the hate between Cypriots and mainland Turks will gradually disappear as well. Obviously the French hated the Germans when the Germans occupied their country, but not anymore.

The "Cookoo-Land" is what you want to create in Cyprus by enforcing a monstrosity based on ethnic cleansing and racist discriminations that exists nowhere else so the interests of some foreigners will be served. What I say is the only logical path to peace, democracy and normality as it happens in all other democratic countries of the world.

[purdey]

How can Cyprus ever hope to rule itself.Cyprus got itself into a great position in the 90s.The island was recieving huge investment from abroad,companies were crying out for land and business opportunities,the island was prospering.Then some fool said let's look at joining the EU and maybe we should adopt the Euro.Sounds great,money will be on offer,nationals will get richer.
You have now joined a family which will dictate how you live and what you do with your land,your borders will be open to all and in time the Cypriot will no longer own what is theirs.

[greek75]

Piratis,
I have been watching silently this forum for more than a year now.
What I noticed is that the TC that post here, yelling and insulting are actually settlers, children of settlers or fanatic TCs who have never been in the South. They say they don't want see the south but reality is that they cannot.
The TCs that I know who visit the south or even started living in the south they have realized that the fears that Turkish propaganda has planted into their brains don't really exist.
Thousands of TCs cross the green line on a daily basis. Not a single incident has happened that was the result of racisim or hate.
So I agree with you if we want to avoid a new 1974 then we need to find a solution that will be based on political equality as you described it. A solution that will NOT involve Turkey, Greece and especially foreigners i.e. UK.
A solution made by the Cypriots for the Cypriots (I think I'm quoting some polititian but it is not a show of support for that one or anyone else).