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[Piratis]

I think we should just wait longer until this generation is also long gone, so that mentalities like Piratis and Phoenix will go extinct, and then maybe we wont have to worry about such Nazi idiots sticking their noses into our lives and walking around like they own the place.

You know shahmaran, we have the saying: "who has no shame owns the world", it suits you perfectly.

The Nazis are those that where walking around on lands belonging to others pretending it was theirs just because they had the power to take those lands by force, thats exactly what you do.

Us wanting our own lands back is only what is just and legal.

[shahmaran]

I never took anyone's land nor i have any ones land at the moment my friend, so what the hell are you talking about?

Let me guess, you are talking about the Ottomans from half a millennia ago! That is so pathetic and so absurd, i don't think you will ever be able to comprehend the extent of it, not in this life time anyways.

Hence why the sooner you and your likes are gone the better for all of us, and better for Cyprus!

[Viewpoint]

Piratis you are right we are totally at different ends of the spectrum, you dismiss our fears and conerns like they mean nothing so we in turn trust even less, you hide behind a facard of democracy and human rights which due to your numerical advanatge will be administered purely by GCs. This is our worst nightmare, we will never submitt to such a solution, when wil you come to terms with this fact, we would rather live unrecognized and assimilated to Turkey than accept being a minority in a GC state without the right to say no.

[Piratis]

I never took anyone's land nor i have any ones land at the moment my friend, so what the hell are you talking about?

I am talking something called illegal Turkish occupation of the northern part of the Republic of Cyprus. Never heard of it?

How about the ethnic cleansing from northern Cyprus of the great majority of Cypriots and their replacement with Turkish Settlers, so that part of our country could be declared as supposedly being Turkish. Ever heard of it?

Piratis you are right we are totally at different ends of the spectrum, you dismiss our fears and conerns like they mean nothing so we in turn trust even less, you hide behind a facard of democracy and human rights which due to your numerical advanatge will be administered purely by GCs. This is our worst nightmare, we will never submitt to such a solution, when wil you come to terms with this fact, we would rather live unrecognized and assimilated to Turkey than accept being a minority in a GC state without the right to say no.

We have suffered a lot from you as well, something that continues as we speak. Still we don't expect you to sacrifice your human and democratic rights so we would feel safe.

All justified fears from both sides can be removed without the need to sacrifice democracy and human rights. So stop trying to use your "fears" as an excuse to have gains on our loss and violate our rights. Those are cheap excuses.

[Pumpy]

Oh for fuck sake Piratis, don't you ever get tired of arguing with peasants and the off spring of idiots born under a violent militaristic dictatorship? What the fuck do you expect?

And stop being greedy! harsh shit happens, I know the 74 invasion was a fucking rough deal. I know, my dumbass family never cease to remind me.

Handy hint - you'll never win it back. Ever.

So get used to having half an island that dicks all over the economy of the northern fag end.

I know the land would be nice, but be thankful you have SOME motherland left. Look at the Palestinians, they have fuck all and never will get their land back.

[umit07]

Piratis

You may not like our "cheap excuses" but they are the core to our needs. If they are so cheap why not accept them? I guess they aren't so cheap after all.

[humanist]

Pumpy

Why are you following the path of the ISrael/Palestine conflict, destined for an eternity of war and misery? TCs and GCs are ONE people for fuck sake, they are the same folk. There is no racal purity, we are all FROM somewhere, right? Drop the bollocks and just try and get on.

My sentiments excactly pumpy. I absolutely agree with your coment

[Piratis]

Handy hint - you'll never win it back. Ever.

Never say never. With the current balance of power it is impossible, but things can change.

For example, would somebody it the 16th century imagine that a free Greek state could be created out of the mighty Ottoman empire? Or to use a more recent example, could anybody imagine during the 70s an independent Latvia? I am sure most people didn't even know that such thing even existed.

In any case we have nothing to lose from keeping the struggle for justice, and a lot to lose if we give up. So why give up?

You may not like our "cheap excuses" but they are the core to our needs. If they are so cheap why not accept them? I guess they aren't so cheap after all.

What are cheap are the excuses, not what you want to gain by using those excuses. What you want to gain on our loss with those cheap excuses is not cheap at all. It is invaluable.

Also "needs" can mean anything. What matters most is what your rights are. And one thing which is definitely not your right, regardless of what your "needs" are, is violating the rights of others.

[shahmaran]

I never took anyone's land nor i have any ones land at the moment my friend, so what the hell are you talking about?

I am talking something called illegal Turkish occupation of the northern part of the Republic of Cyprus. Never heard of it?

How about the ethnic cleansing from northern Cyprus of the great majority of Cypriots and their replacement with Turkish Settlers, so that part of our country could be declared as supposedly being Turkish. Ever heard of it?

Piratis you are right we are totally at different ends of the spectrum, you dismiss our fears and conerns like they mean nothing so we in turn trust even less, you hide behind a facard of democracy and human rights which due to your numerical advanatge will be administered purely by GCs. This is our worst nightmare, we will never submitt to such a solution, when wil you come to terms with this fact, we would rather live unrecognized and assimilated to Turkey than accept being a minority in a GC state without the right to say no.

We have suffered a lot from you as well, something that continues as we speak. Still we don't expect you to sacrifice your human and democratic rights so we would feel safe.

All justified fears from both sides can be removed without the need to sacrifice democracy and human rights. So stop trying to use your "fears" as an excuse to have gains on our loss and violate our rights. Those are cheap excuses.

Wow i have not heard of neither of them and i live here Piratis, what the hell are you talking about?

I have heard of Enosis and the loss of our rights within the government, and the massacring of Turkish villages, kids and women being dug out of mass graves, TCs living within the 3% of the island while depending on the supplies that the UN was handing out to them, ever heard of it?

Of course you have, but for you this is nothing but the consequences of some ancient Empire that we are supposed to be responsible for which you still very sadly like to hold a grudge about and find it justifiable because we never belonged here anyways.

You are one racist and bitter old man and it sucks to be you, but thankfully you are a serious minority even in your own beloved Cyprus and no one to be taken seriously because your views are as outdated as you are.

[BC Numismatics]

Cyprus belongs to the people who are legally living in Cyprus,irrespective of what race or language they speak.It is both Greece & Turkey that need to be told where to get off,as it were!

Cyprus' best friend is Great Britain,as Cyprus is a very loyal member state of the British Commonwealth.If it hadn't been for the British,then there wouldn't even be an independent country called Cyprus.It could have been a Greek island like Rhodes.

Aidan.