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[purdey]

Wow it is getting heated now.Please...I thought we were actually starting to agree on some points.

[Piratis]

Absolutely agree with political equality - one person, one vote, without outside interference, just like in the rest of our new Europe (outside Northern Ireland - now there's a thought). All enjoying equal political, human and property rights.

Administered by whom? GCs? This is unacceptable and the current situation is much better than being a minority in a GC state run by GCs.

Administered by Cypriots in a democratic way as it happens in all other democratic countries. And we all know that democracy with fair and proportional representation is unacceptable to you. If it wasn't then we wouldn't have a problem today.

Of which 80% happen to be GCs whom we do not have any reason to trust with our future, we have to have the right to say NO.

If it wasn't for your dream of gifting Cyprus to Greece we would not have the Cyprus issue.

Maybe you should start respecting the fact that 82% of Cyprus population are Greek Cypriots instead of acting as if Cyprus still belongs to the Ottoman Empire and you can determine the destiny of our island against the will of Cypriots?

If you do not trust the population of this island you should have thought of it before you came. Not our fault. As I said earlier the Whites of South Africa could also say that they do not trust the Blacks, but this can not be an excuse to violate their human and democratic rights anymore.

[phoenix]

Piratis if it's so simple then we'll just give you all the TC land in the south, do some accout balancing and have the entire thing finished.

Umit, TCs own less than 18% of land in Cyprus. You currently illegally occupy 36% of land. If you want an exchange of land so TCs and GCs can be separated, then in that case you may not keep more than 18% of the island.

Cyprus is not for dishing out to anyone.

Cyprus belongs to the RoC and its citizens are free to buy property within that jurisdiction and not have sections belonging to any nationals in pre-affiliated chunks or sections. It's not a jigsaw puzzle .... it is one unified country currently illegally part-occupied.

[Jerry]

Wow it is getting heated now.Please...I thought we were actually starting to agree on some points.

I'm afraid that's impossible now that VP has enered the "discussion"

For what it's worth I don't want partition but the passage of time has meant that many of the old ties between the communities have all but disappeared. The old sentimentalists ( I include myself) hanker after the past but the reality is most Cypriots will never return to their homes, too much has changed on the ground. The best we can hope for is an equitable solution based on partition with Turkey paying compensation for the destruction and systematic looting of 1974.

[relatino]

I just dont get something: Why turks victimize themselves so much and love to play victim about the 60-63 events (regretable of course) when they did the same for more than 400 years in Cyprus?

[T_C]

Whatever man. On one occasion TCs even helped GCs KILL the sultan because of the high taxes they were paying!!

We weren't killing anyone....but if you insist then I'd like you to show me where you get this info from?

[Nikitas]

"All public surveys carried out in the UK want a withdrawl from the EU.We are only now starting to argue the toss about laws and freedoms,more to come,and no entry into the Euro."

No wonder the British are such close friends of the Turks. The EU minimum guarantees of personal freedom, especially the freedom of expression just cannot be accepted in Britain with all its controls on the press, D notices, Official Secrets Acts. The idea of a constitution with a Bill of Rights as most European countries have, {and the USA), scares them, and the Turks.

The best thing that will hapen to Cyprus through the EU is the madatory change for more freedom in accordance with the EU customs and norms. Every day that passes under EU membership the RoC gets stronger and the TruNC sinks.

[phoenix]

I agree.

Turkey is getting pushed in the recesses where it belongs. It had a taste of Western style recognition with Cyprus gaining its independence and the Turks playing an over-generous part in governing a European country.

But they blew it big time, when thy failed to recognise Makarios' democratising efforts and thwarted his improvements for Cyprus of what was commanded by the outgoing colonialists.

So now, they have to take stock and see how they can re-enter the arena of Western-style forms of Government.

It seems to me they are really struggling without the guiding light of the GCs who were their only allies (now betrayed).

[Viewpoint]

Absolutely agree with political equality - one person, one vote, without outside interference, just like in the rest of our new Europe (outside Northern Ireland - now there's a thought). All enjoying equal political, human and property rights.

Administered by whom? GCs? This is unacceptable and the current situation is much better than being a minority in a GC state run by GCs.

Administered by Cypriots in a democratic way as it happens in all other democratic countries. And we all know that democracy with fair and proportional representation is unacceptable to you. If it wasn't then we wouldn't have a problem today.

Of which 80% happen to be GCs whom we do not have any reason to trust with our future, we have to have the right to say NO.

If it wasn't for your dream of gifting Cyprus to Greece we would not have the Cyprus issue.

Maybe you should start respecting the fact that 82% of Cyprus population are Greek Cypriots instead of acting as if Cyprus still belongs to the Ottoman Empire and you can determine the destiny of our island against the will of Cypriots?

If you do not trust the population of this island you should have thought of it before you came. Not our fault. As I said earlier the Whites of South Africa could also say that they do not trust the Blacks, but this can not be an excuse to violate their human and democratic rights anymore.

I had no say in what my forefathers did over 400 years ago and I to am indigenous to this island, do you know how the blacks of South Africa now treat the whites, could you enlighten us? You have tried to take vengeance for 400 years (1963) can you imagine the vengeance you seek for what happened only 34 years ago? You have venom in your hearts and have given us no reason to trust you, the last time we made that mistake you wanted to give Cyprus to Greece, well no thanks we need guarantees and lots of them to stop deter you from doing anything stupid where you would try to force us to do things against our communities will.

[shahmaran]

I think we should just wait longer until this generation is also long gone, so that mentalities like Piratis and Phoenix will go extinct, and then maybe we wont have to worry about such Nazi idiots sticking their noses into our lives and walking around like they own the place.