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[Main_Source]

Thanks for the welcome.

At the end of the day, if yoru trying to solve unity...then take some of the Cypriot communites aboroad for example. I live in North London, with a massive Cypriot community. Both GC and TC have got on since I can remember, we share the same classes at school and socialise together often at night. I can never remember any stand off btween the two and and think this is a good example how the two communities can get along as one.

[insan]

Thanks for the welcome.

At the end of the day, if yoru trying to solve unity...then take some of the Cypriot communites aboroad for example. I live in North London, with a massive Cypriot community. Both GC and TC have got on since I can remember, we share the same classes at school and socialise together often at night. I can never remember any stand off btween the two and and think this is a good example how the two communities can get along as one.

Yes it is true that people from many nations live in harmony in London, Melbourne, Istanbul etc... You have no common concerns of Cypriots living in Cyprus have. Do TCs live in London demand political equality, guarantorship of Turkey etc.? No. Because in London you are living like Brit citizens. You even don't read the Cyprus history in your schools. However in Cyprus we are still dashing our brains how to rewrite our history books that might be acceptable for vast majority of both communities.

In Cyprus there are so many things that can create tensions between the individuals and groups of two communities. Nationalism, prejudices, misunderstandings, all kinds of discrimination or conviction of discrimination etc...

Regards.

[Main_Source]

Well, guarantoreship of Turkey is out of the question for me, especially now Cyprus is part of the EU and have to abide by its rules. Why should the country who invaded us and commited so many other crimes, have a guarantee over Cyprus. Cyprus is an independant EU state, why should another country have a say in it. How can you ask GC to live next to troops who invaded us and desicrated churches and other places of culture?

[insan]

Well, guarantoreship of Turkey is out of the question for me, especially now Cyprus is part of the EU and have to abide by its rules. Why should the country who invaded us and commited so many other crimes, have a guarantee over Cyprus.

It's your interpretation. Though I don't know whom you implied by using the word "us" but if it is included TCs you should also asked the opinion of TC community. If majority of TCs agree with you, why not? Turkey leaves Cyprus.

Cyprus is an independant EU state, why should another country have a say in it.

Well.. like it or not that's what majority of TCs want. They everyday read in papers how the GC administration work with Greek government in full cooperation and TCs also try to do the same.

How can you ask GC to live next to troops who invaded us and desicrated churches and other places of culture?

So how can you ask TCs to live next to national guard troops who caused TCs to suffer and loss of 100s of lives? Pre-74, they desecrated 122 mosques, shrines and other places of culture. Besides they ruined hundreds of TC properties. They cooperated with Greek Junta and achieved coup d'etat. They defended the coupists and Greek invasion in 1974.


You see.. This mentality does not lead us anywhere.

[Main_Source]

Well, if TC are worried about ENOSIS or something...that idea is totally dead in the water, especially now Greece and Cyprus are both in the EU...it would be impossible. TC should realise this is not the 1950's or 60's. There is not a Greek Junta in charge of Greece and there cant be whie they are in the EU. Although, its blatently obvious that the military has a say in Turkish government affairs...so in a way, your asking Cyprus to be under guarantoreship of a Turkish Junta.

People are going to have to put trust into both sides, because a breakaway regime in the north is not a lasting solution.

Your saying you dont trust Greek Cypriots, whilst at the same time they are paying for you to have free healthcare. I still cant help thinking that the TC make up so many obsticles because they want to keep the illegal breakaway regime in the north.

[insan]

Well, if TC are worried about ENOSIS or something...that idea is totally dead in the water, especially now Greece and Cyprus are both in the EU...it would be impossible. TC should realise this is not the 1950's or 60's. There is not a Greek Junta in charge of Greece and there cant be whie they are in the EU.

TCs once worried about Enosis. In the absence of TC community in RoC, GC administration built very strong relations with Greece. They even signed a defense doctrine. They frequently visit each other and publicly state that they ahve a common policy about cyprus problem. This is the first step of Enosis. Full political integration with Greece. According to many reliable sources, Enosis is not only about ful political integration of Hellenismos Kypros with Hellenismos Hellas. The second step of Enosis is "rehellenization of Hellen Island Cyprus."

Although, its blatently obvious that the military has a say in Turkish government affairs...so in a way, your asking Cyprus to be under guarantoreship of a Turkish Junta.

Turkish army have a say in security affairs of Turkey as it is in all countries on planet earth. The only mistake of Turkish Generals is thinking loudly.

People are going to have to put trust into both sides, because a breakaway regime in the north is not a lasting solution.

TCs are aware of that and they exert effort to reunite Cyprus. Trust may only come in course of time. It depends on the evolution of the relationships of two communities. Majority of each community even cannot speak each other's language and most of them can't speak English. How can you put trust to other side while there isn't a healthy enviroment for communication?

Your saying you dont trust Greek Cypriots, whilst at the same time they are paying for you to have free healthcare.

I didn't say I didn't trust Greek Cypriots. I don't trust GC ruling class and self-interest groups of GCs. They are paying for a number of TCs to have healthcare on the other hand they employ a number of TCs for half the wage they pay a GC for the same job. Besides, a number of TC employees are already paying their taxes to "RoC". Moreover, giving a little to gain much more is a very good tactic to create sympathy among TCs and in international public opinion. Otherwise how can GC leadership could claim that it is the only legitimate representative of whole Cyprus?

I still cant help thinking that the TC make up so many obsticles because they want to keep the illegal breakaway regime in the north

According to TC point of view, this is a defacto situation as it has been stated in many UN resolutions. TCs didn't make up so many obstacles to keep the defacto situation in the North. It is the consequence of unresolved Cyprus problem. As long as GC leadership insists on its infeasible demands Cyprus won't be reunited but soon it will lead us to partition. TCs began to lose their hopes, beliefs and patience for reunification. It wouldn't be a surprize if after a while they focus upon partition.

[magikthrill]

TCs once worried about Enosis. In the absence of TC community in RoC, GC administration built very strong relations with Greece. They even signed a defense doctrine. They frequently visit each other and publicly state that they ahve a common policy about cyprus problem. This is the first step of Enosis. Full political integration with Greece. According to many reliable sources, Enosis is not only about ful political integration of Hellenismos Kypros with Hellenismos Hellas. The second step of Enosis is "rehellenization of Hellen Island Cyprus."

Here comes your insan(e) paranoia again. First of all, in the psat year I believe Greece has visited Turkey more often than it has Cyprus.

Secondly, how can you claim that both countries have the same policy on the Cyprus problem when Athens was in favor of the Annan plan last year???

[insan]

TCs once worried about Enosis. In the absence of TC community in RoC, GC administration built very strong relations with Greece. They even signed a defense doctrine. They frequently visit each other and publicly state that they ahve a common policy about cyprus problem. This is the first step of Enosis. Full political integration with Greece. According to many reliable sources, Enosis is not only about ful political integration of Hellenismos Kypros with Hellenismos Hellas. The second step of Enosis is "rehellenization of Hellen Island Cyprus."

Here comes your insan(e) paranoia again. First of all, in the psat year I believe Greece has visited Turkey more often than it has Cyprus.

Secondly, how can you claim that both countries have the same policy on the Cyprus problem when Athens was in favor of the Annan plan last year???

Here comes your ignorance once again. Greece has visited Turkey and Turkey visited Greece. So what? It is nothing else than a so-called friendship show. It is US and NATO that force them for rapproachment and improving their reciprocal relations. Greece has always masked itself behind a smiley face but kept implementing its hostile policies towards Turkey. You well know hostile attitudes of Greek government and some financially strong Hellenic political groups, against Turkey. For the sake of Greek-American-Nato relations Greece smiles Turkey but keep maintaining its known stance against Turkey.


Many times I've quoted their speeches which clearly shows that they have the same policy on cyprus problem but such a ignorant and blind like you; still keep asking me how could I claim that they had the same policy on Cyprus problem. magikbrillo, you are my favourite waste of time.


According to their(GC&Greek) joint statements, on every ocassion; they reaffirm their common policy regarding the solution of Cyprus problem. They always emphasize that they have a full consensus on the common strategy concerning the solution of Cyprus problem.

[Andrik]

Why dont we divide the island and create two separate countries with borders and everything!

But, the North side will no longer be part of the EU or could never become an extension of Turkey..(similar policy as ENOSIS)!

How about that?? They want freedom from Turkey (once welcomed with open arms)?? They went an open economy?? They want airports and ports?? FINE!

Let us give them a Thrid world state status (since thats what they are right now) and let them rely on US aid for the next 20 years so..which is approximately the time when they will be able to apply for their own EU membership!

[insan]

Why dont we divide the island and create two separate countries with borders and everything!

But, the North side will no longer be part of the EU or could never become an extension of Turkey..(similar policy as ENOSIS)!

How about that?? They want freedom from Turkey (once welcomed with open arms)?? They went an open economy?? They want airports and ports?? FINE!

Let us give them a Thrid world state status (since thats what they are right now) and let them rely on US aid for the next 20 years so..which is approximately the time when they will be able to apply for their own EU membership!

Just the income of tourism industry is sufficient for 200.000 TCs living in the North. We need neither US aid nor EU. With the mentality you bear in your mind, you symbolize a person from stone age.