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[joe]

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Now what?

This week has been marked by yet another condemnation of Turkey by the European Court of Human Rights for violations in connection with Cyprus.

This latest condemnation deals with Turkey's failure to live up to its responsibility to assist in determining the fate of the 1,534 Greek Cypriots who are listed as missing in the wake of the 1974 Turkish invasion and occupation of north Cyprus.

The Court ruled that, as a result, Turkey has an obligation under Articles 2 and 3 of the European Convention to assist in determining the fate of these missing persons.

It also stressed that both the establishment of the breakaway Turkish Cypriot state, and the lapse of 32 years since the invasion, have not removed the Turkish government's accountability for the investigative process during the intervening period.

Regretfully, however, as with the previous court judgements, there is no follow up, or punishment of the guilty party, which is thus permitted in effect to continue with, and benefit from, the illegal activities for which it has been found guilty.

It is just as regrettable that the other members of the European family choose not just to do nothing to force Turkey to comply with the judgement of their Rights Court, but continue to treat this criminal state and convicted violator of human rights as worthy for consideration for EU membership and, even worse, to reward it for its blatant contempt of their Court with billions in free aid!

Due praise

THE government deserves due praise for two separate achievements this week.

One was the successful reduction of the Cyprus foreign debt by nearly 12%.This was followed by a consequent cut in income tax and an increase in public benefits. The government claimed this was the result of its economic policy.

The opposition rushed to claim, however, that this was the result of a reduction of expenditure in vital sectors in order to create a good impression in view of the approaching presidential election.

Ordinary taxpayers cannot but be thankful for the reduction, provided this does not have any adverse effect, as claimed by the opposition.

[humanist]

woooppeeeee dooo da! This court is crap as far as am concerned. Like it was mentioned above, it has found Turkey guity hundreds of times over many violations. Yet has done nothing to get Turkish troops out of Cyprus or to end the violation of rights of many refugees.

[phoenix]

You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink ....

It will have to be enough for now, that Turkey is being acknowledged for its Human Rights' violations, something we have all been well acquainted with throughout our unfortunate dealings with them.

Stands to reason .... all Turks should be thoroughly ashamed of their country, and if they had any decency, they would force their government to do the decent thing.

It's up to the Turks to improve their country now.

[humanist]

yeaeeee she is back ........ hello phoenix mou. How are you?

I believe its up to the international community to act on this one Phoenix. They kill people in Turkey if the speak against the government.

The biggest betrayl of all times though is the EU, that has rewarded the atila by openning discussions for membership. Not only betraying Cyprus & all Cypriots but also letting Turkey know she can violate any other small nation and defenseless groups of people such as the Turks and wil be given membership in one of the elite clubs on the planet.

Furthermore, if our fellow Turkish speaking Cypriots are inviting Turkey to remain on our Island how is it that Turks will ask her to leave. By the way I doubt if Turks really give a hoot about Cyprus, they are everyday people struggling to make a living. Pretty much like the average Greek in Greece not giving a toss about Cyprus and its Cypro.

[phoenix]

Hello Humanist darling one ....

Every post is a labour of love, as the dial up is soooo slow, until wonderful Cytanet bring Broadband to my village in a few weeks (they promised, in my honour ).

Really Humanist, the Cypriots could not be any more civilised and polite, fun and jolly, and generally thoroughly good eggs .... Such a contrast to the topic at hand

I feel as though I am walking on cloud nine on this hallowed soil, and I cannot fathom how you tore yourself away and returned to Oz.

Even more than ever, I am determined to do my bit to remove the Turks from my island and every bit of news such as this, no matter how recalcitrant they are at refusing to accept responsibility for their actions, it is more fuel for the impetus to continue the opposition to their occupation and abuses of our people's rights.

Fight the good fight....

[humanist]

Hey she finally made it .........

Dear Phoenix I wish you and your family a wonder, happy and fullfiling life in our beautiful country. May God and the angels guide you and keep you safe in your new adventure and it of course bring peace upon our land.

Hey we once discussed a bike ride around Cyprus .... can you let me know if still interested. Perhaps we can have a peace ride, where we invite other Cypriots who want freedom for Cyprus to join us. Perhaps our friend halil together with the RIK can follow the trip around and show that all Cypriots can get together, and ride for the same cause.

Once again all the best in Cyprus.

Yeah well I don't know how I managed to back to OZ but hey such as life. Am too old for the army shit. May be a demilitarised Cyprus will once again lead me back to where I belong.

[umit07]

The cyprus issue is a "Political Dispute" it's not something that can be solved by a bloody court, GC's are just trying to use it politically to gain groud. By the way how much investigation went into the matter of missing (all dead) TC's???? or aren't there any?

Phoneix we don't get along with our political views but that doesn't mean that we have to be be abbusive or hate one another. So as a sign of good faith I would like to welcome you to the Island and wish that you find peace with yourself.

[humanist]

Umit ..... there is no doubt in my mind at least that Turkish speaking Cypriot have by far suffered the most over this situation and are paying for it each and everyday through the embargoes and the non recognition of the occupied areas they call trnc. There is also no doubt in my mind that the violence experienced in in the 60's the Turkish speaking Cypriots were probably affected more than were the greek speaking Cypriots.

There is no doubt that Turkish speaking Cypriots have gone missing and no one knows of their fate. This is a very sensitive issue for me because my mums brother who was not even 18 years of age was one of the missing till about 2003 / 4 (can't remember the exact date), when his remains were found and identified through DNA. I believe it is up to your administration to take action to locate the missing. Just as is the RoC governments responsibility to do so for the Greek speaking Cypriots.

My personal view of the whole thing is this and you may choose not to speak with me again.

We are one people firstly we are human beings one human being one creation of one God. The rest is history. However as human beings we want to belong and thus identify as this or that. For me I am a Cypriot and I consider Turkish speaking Cypriots to be Cypriot. (please notewhen I refer to Turks I refer to Turks of Turkey as are most people on this forum but a few Turkish speaking Cypriots who say they are Turks and deny their Cypriotness). I personally do not beive that we can have a solution as long as we separate each other, we can only reach a viable solution if we all identify as one with two different languages as the primary distinction between the current two communities.

Personally I do not recognise and never will recognise the trnc. For a long as Turkey occupies the northern part of OUR country I support the embargoes. I also support that all Turkish speaking Cypriots reclaim their property in the south, I support Turkish speaking Cypriots to work in the free areas of THEIR country.

I acknowledge that there are issues associated to the conflict of the 60's however, Cyprus has moved a long way from the 60's and as such I think we if we choose too can live together in peace. When I first moved into my current home three doors up from me there was a Turkish family we got along well. If we can live together n Australia I am sure we can live in Cyprus also. As per your coment abut inter marriages and changing names and religions, well thta is a practice of the past and lack of love.... think about would love make a man request his wife to do something she does not want too. I doubt.

We have more power as individuals than we think my friend, we all in our own way contribut to the whole situation. I said above how I feel about the ECHR. I am not going to repeat that. I would like to hear form Turkish Cypriots but Zan and VP what is this political ideology that is soo different? I would like to understand.

For me this Island belongs to all of all of it every inch of it. Therefore we all have equal right to it. Not part of it all of it. Until recently I was pro unificationa nd still am because I have faith in humanity. However if it means moving forward I am happy to explore partition provided is based on percentages, 18% to 80% as per population and yes I am not taking into account the current population numbers because they have been beefed up by Turkey who I believe gives a toss about you guys but is interested on the strategic and geographical location of Cyprus in its agenda.

Regards
Me

[shahmaran]

Even more than ever, I am determined to do my bit to remove the Turks from my island and every bit of news such as this, no matter how recalcitrant they are at refusing to accept responsibility for their actions, it is more fuel for the impetus to continue the opposition to their occupation and abuses of our people's rights.

Fight the good fight....

Well that's the problem with fights madam, usually, both sides believe they are fighting the "good fight".....

[phoenix]

Hey she finally made it .........

Dear Phoenix I wish you and your family a wonder, happy and fullfiling life in our beautiful country. May God and the angels guide you and keep you safe in your new adventure and it of course bring peace upon our land.

Hey we once discussed a bike ride around Cyprus .... can you let me know if still interested. Perhaps we can have a peace ride, where we invite other Cypriots who want freedom for Cyprus to join us. Perhaps our friend halil together with the RIK can follow the trip around and show that all Cypriots can get together, and ride for the same cause.

Once again all the best in Cyprus.

Yeah well I don't know how I managed to back to OZ but hey such as life. Am too old for the army shit. May be a demilitarised Cyprus will once again lead me back to where I belong.

Feeling most at home already. No TCs to be seen anywhere .... very strange. Just a few delapidated houses still around since 1974 waiting for them to come home too.

I am on for the bike - peace ride when you are next in Cyprus. Will start sorting out as soon as poss.