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[Kikapu]

Zan,

This has nothing to do with politics, but what the hell happened to your letter "t" on your keyboard, because for the last few weeks, some of your words are missing the letter "t" and I'm beginning to get really "teed off".

[zan]

Zan,

This has nothing to do with politics, but what the hell happened to your letter "t" on your keyboard, because for the last few weeks, some of your words are missing the letter "t" and I'm beginning to get really "teed off".

You and me both....I spilled a glass of orange juice on the other Mac keyboard and bought a new ultra slim one that has keys that you need to thump down on......The "T" seems to need an extra thump and misses out a lot. I usually go back and put them in but sometimes can't be bothered. Sorry.

[humanist]

Umit

Mate most of the mainlanders here are not citizens as you might think, most of them are from eastern Turkey and are working here for bread money. If you guys are so willing to have troops leave why don't you start do?ng it first? How many troops from greece do you guys have, I bet the number of armed troops in the south is not a man less than the ones in the north

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Umit, that is just it these people are used for political gains. I was there just recently and I made a good friend who lives in the the Morphou rea and if what he told me is true about the division between settlers and Turking speaking Cypriots is true, well then what is the point of having them. Yes they boost population numbers and they do the shitty jobs, at the end of the day they are use. I don't think it is fair. And the unfarirness begins with Turksy bringing them over in the first place as oposed to putting time into solving the real problem. Just because they are Turkish and I happen to be a Cypriot who speaks Greek I don;t have to sit back and watch people being treated that way. Especially because thet are poor. Perhaps if Turkey allowed for the solution of the Cypro, she'll have more money to feed its poor rather than pack em up and send them elsewhere to work for bread money. Anyway this is all dumb because we know Turkey will join the EU as soon as the Cypro is solved, those people will be able to work in Cypro as EU citizens, probably making more money because they'll be able to move around the Island.

But the essential thing is that these people are used. That is not right.



Umit

Humanist

Firstly I don't think GC's are even one man short when it comes to millitary man power one the island. If Turkey is the occupying force, then you guys are occupying our government because of this GC's think they can dictate what is "right" what is "wrong", does this make the presence of the Greek armed forces OK? Sorry mate, but I honestly think we are far away from thinking in the "we" sense, let's just learn to tolerate with each other first. Look at nearly every thread in the forum people just try to pick stuff out of what you write and later twist and turn it into different forms and throw it back at your face. I can understand you seeing the Turkish army as invaders, all I'd like you to understand is that the RoC that you guys are so proud of is not what is was meant to be. When it comes to Turkey, I can assure you that the present gov. in Turkey want to get Cyprus out of there hands, I personally don't think Erdogan ( Turkish PM ) gives a shit about us, but even Erdogan can't get it over a done with, without public support. For a guy like him only the packaging is important he needs to be able to show the public that what he did was good. But still under these circumstances "nothing" is happening, this is why I believe if this dispute is not over in the next few years it never will be.

Umit, firstly Cyprus is short of manpower. Secondly it may not be short in military machinery and may have enough military power as you say. But is has too, her sovereinghty is under occupation one that is recognised world wide. There is no "if Turkey is the occupying power" Turkey is occupying the north 1/3 of the Island of Cyprus, refer to any UN reolution to find that out for yourself.

Another point, the RoC does not recognise your government not the trnc. It will do everything in its power to make sure that the rights of its refugess are upheld and she sure as hell is not going to say to you here have those lands and those properties just like you feel that occupying the north and denying the rghts of others in order to meet your needs is right.

The other point you raise ... Greek forces. No the presensenc of Greek forces is not right. However whilst Turkey has a military presence on the Island the RoC has every right to ask for assistance from its allies. I believe that A there needs to be a solution that encourages total demilitarisation of Cyprus, B Turkey moves out its forces, Greece moves out its forces, C UN increases its manpower in Cyprus for an interim to ensure neither the Turkish speaking Cypriot's community and it forces create trouble and to make sure that the National Guard does not create trouble for the Turkish speaking community in the working out of a settlement.

Another point jsut because we are far from being one, does not make it the right move for our country and it does not mean we cannot change. perhaps if we aim for the one then we wouldn't want to harm a part of that one which is US, the people of Cyprus.

about people twisting stuff ......... well welcome to the Cyprus Forum .... as you saw I was attacked the other day by someone I never uttered a word too and said things that I never said.

No you are right the RoC is not what it was used to be, but neither is Cyprus. If you want to go back to the 1960's constitution then your leaders need to express that view to the UN and begin the process of reconciliation.

Umit a long time I found agreat article which unfortunately I dd not keep but it expressed clearly what you are saying, Turkey sees the Cyprus issues as the thorn between its legs.

Personally I don't think that Turkey gives a toss about you guys. I also undertsnad by the conversations I had with VP in the past that for the present time they feed you and you need them. I think they call the shots. But that is not my problem it is yours. And I say this because I hate Turkey's presence and occupation of my grannies village, home and above all my country.

Well if the dispute is not over ever I am happy to go on living the way I am because I don't believe it is right that you not allow me the right to return to my ancestral village and recliam my grannies home is as simple as that. I am saying you are welcome to your lands and properties and to your country any time and you know that you can. You choose not too. I don't have tha choice. So lets go you guys stay there and isolated and us missing out on our properties and mostly the fredom to our country. that part of Cyprus you guys call home is our home too, that is not fair.

Anyway, I have said before in another post I have reached a point where, I would support partition based on the 1974 population statistics by that I mean 18% to 82% just to end this nightmare. Not my preferred choice but a choice non the less.

[humanist]

Umit ....if you trully try to understand the quote bellow you may begin to understand who I am and where I come from, if not well that is fine too ...... but am not changing who I am for something less and it doesn't matter if I get laughed at by people on this forum.

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[Viewpoint]

humanist you can have your land back as soon as we know all the rules we have to live under, as I have stated before we do not want to be ruled by purely GCs, we want a say in ourown future. This the GCs will never accept so thats why we will never have a solution. They do not want to share power or allow us the right to say no.

[humanist]

Oh VP the hell with that bloody house ......... it's only four frigin walls. And last time I checked under BBF you will be able to have your say on your future. So get whip out and put Talat in action on coming up with a BBF based solution, :):)

[Viewpoint]

Oh VP the hell with that bloody house ......... it's only four frigin walls. And last time I checked under BBF you will be able to have your say on your future. So get whip out and put Talat in action on coming up with a BBF based solution, :):)

We said yes to the BBF solution out forward by the UN you rejected it so dont you think its upto GCs to bring about a BBF?

[Nikitas]

To Copperline and Zan regarding their comments above.

A policy of colonisation is evident on the ground. Bringing people over and settling them in GC properties is one such piece of evidence. Another is the political organization of settlers and their active part in TRNC politics. Do not take my word for it, read statements and articles by concerned TC politicians who know the situation better than any of us in this forum.

In any future solution when the populations will be concentrated in one side of the island there is a real risk of a race problem between TCs and mainland Turks, as well as problems between the mainlanders themselves. There is no need to import these problems in Cyprus.

Those who advocate the legalisation of settlers are not communicating with the Cypriot in themeselves. Just imagine how you would feel dealing with the Federal buraucracy if the employee you are talking to is not a Cypriot but a mainland Greek or mainland Turk. Does that make you feel as a citizen of an independent and free nation? And how about seeing nationals of both mainlands being eligible for elected office and perhaps elected.

Those who say the above examples do not bother them are either not Cypriots or they have reached a level of cosmopolitan thinking which obviously escapes me.

Assuming I am alive and in possession of my faculties when a solution comes about, and that solution grants any kind of privilieges to settlers of any nationality over and above what Cypriots get, I will go to court for it. My demand will be equal treatment with settlers and I do believe I will win my case. There is an element of anti Cypriot discrimination in provisions made for settlers and I am surprised that Cypriots of any community cannot see it.

[humanist]

VP

We said yes to the BBF solution out forward by the UN you rejected it so dont you think its upto GCs to bring about a BBF?

try again ..... this time may be we can have a reall BBF without Turkey having a say what happens in Cypriot land. Give it another go and show that your the better side.

I stand to be corrected you said yes to the Anan Plan. The other side said No to the Anan Plan

[Kikapu]

To Copperline and Zan regarding their comments above.

A policy of colonisation is evident on the ground. Bringing people over and settling them in GC properties is one such piece of evidence. Another is the political organization of settlers and their active part in TRNC politics. Do not take my word for it, read statements and articles by concerned TC politicians who know the situation better than any of us in this forum.

In any future solution when the populations will be concentrated in one side of the island there is a real risk of a race problem between TCs and mainland Turks, as well as problems between the mainlanders themselves. There is no need to import these problems in Cyprus.

Those who advocate the legalisation of settlers are not communicating with the Cypriot in themeselves. Just imagine how you would feel dealing with the Federal buraucracy if the employee you are talking to is not a Cypriot but a mainland Greek or mainland Turk. Does that make you feel as a citizen of an independent and free nation? And how about seeing nationals of both mainlands being eligible for elected office and perhaps elected.

Those who say the above examples do not bother them are either not Cypriots or they have reached a level of cosmopolitan thinking which obviously escapes me.

Assuming I am alive and in possession of my faculties when a solution comes about, and that solution grants any kind of privilieges to settlers of any nationality over and above what Cypriots get, I will go to court for it. My demand will be equal treatment with settlers and I do believe I will win my case. There is an element of anti Cypriot discrimination in provisions made for settlers and I am surprised that Cypriots of any community cannot see it.

Nikitas,

The settlers are brought to the "TRNC" for one reason and one reason only, whether peace or no peace, partition or no partition, reconciliation or no reconciliation. They are there to take away the voice (vote) of the TC's and place it in the hands of the Turks. Either the Turks will use their majority voice to vote the way they want to vote to bring about a settlement that gives them the best chance to get into the EU, or worse case scenario, Turks will be the rulers over the TC's in the North, if Turkey does not get into the EU. If the latter one happens, in some years in the future, there will be memorial walking paths and trails named after the the TC's who once lived on the island of Cyprus, much like the Trails we have for the
Kickapoo (Kikapoo, Kikapu) Indian tribes in the Southwestern USA, who have mostly long vanished from the face of the Earth due to the arrival of the Settlers from Europe, and now only a few thousand are remaining.