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[Kikapu]

Man o man!!!!!! Did you ever figure out that question about the tree falling in the forest and whether it makes a sound or not Kiks....

Sure I have. If there was no one there to hear the tree fall to hear whether the tree made any sound or not, then how do you know that the tree fell down in the first place.??

Even if the tree did fall, and as far as making a sound that no body heard, is as useful as a "one hand clap".

[Viewpoint]

The sad thing is that you who claim to be a TC is fighting the corner of GCs who nowhere to be seen. TC fights TCs while GCs look on, keep doing their fighting for them Kikapu noway are you a TC, will never believe this, you cannot be this ignorant.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu You give the example of issuing a driving licence as a test of the 'stateness' of a country. I'm not sure driving licences are good examples regarding recognition of a state and a distinct jurisdiction, so let's take something fundamental like marriage certificates or birth certificates. For those who say because TRNC is not recognised as a country/state then its jurisdiction including law-setting powers which includes citizenship tests are also not recognised, they are mistaken. If you got married in TRNC or had a baby born in TRNC then those certificates issued by the ostensibly unrecognised TRNC are STILL RECOGNISED by other jurisdictions and other states.

CopperLine,

My use of the Drivers Licence point was to illustrate, that having a fake drivers licence created by me is not going to work when there is already a legal driving licence system in operation. The "TRNC" may want to act like my fake driving licence, but will not be recognised by other authorities, hence the fact that the "TRNC" is not recognised as a country by the World, because it is a "fake drivers licence". By you using the marriage and birth certificates in the "TRNC" being recognised by others is hardly relevant. No body denies that TC's live or exists in the "TRNC". I have used a birth certificate issued by the "TRNC" when I applied for my US citizenship many years ago, even though I was not born in the "TRNC", but rather in Cyprus, so that is not the point. Adjustments are made to minimize certain problems to the TC's that are politically based, so not to hinder their day to day life. Same time, two astronauts could have gotten married on the moon, or the space station or on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean, and their marriage would still count in the eyes of the world, despite all those events taking place in NO country at all, recognised or not. It is not intended to deny individual TC's anything by the world, but rather denying a "state" within a State that is acting illegally in the formation of that "state" and then try claiming to be or wanting to be legal, by asking the International community to recognise them. So, individuals are recognised as TC's even if they live in a illegal state, but the illegal state is not recognised as a country.

Your best trick kikapu twisting and squirming, TRNC documents are recognized and used all over the world, I knwo how much this makes your stomache churn but facts are facts.

Now I know you are not "all there" and do not read and comprehend well. I already said, that the TC's are recognised with their documents because of the political situation, just as documents issued to the Palestinians who also live in a unrecognised "state". It is the "TRNC" that is not recognised and not the TC's who live in them. The TC's are not illegal, so why punish them with what ever document they carry from their illegal state that they live in. They were put in that situation and did not choose it. Then there are those TC's, over 70,000+, who also chose to obtain documents from a legal state, the RoC so not to have too much problems getting visas or waiting 3 months for it to arrive at a hefty cost in money.

Here is VP and his family who travels on British Passports claiming to be traveling on "TRNC" documents without any hassle. How about a little honesty VP.??

I have both and when visiting the USA on a business trip for the TRNC we all used our TRNC passports, I do not lie, you maybe used to lieing as it comes naturally and you think others are like you, your lack of knowledge about the TRNC and the people you claim as your own shines through once again.

What is this guy on about...Thousands and thousands travel from Cyprus every day that have no other identity other than that of he TRNC and you still talk crap Kiks.....What is the matter with you........

I already said, that the TC's are recognised with their documents because of the political situation

Incase you and VP missed it...again.

[zan]

Kikapu You give the example of issuing a driving licence as a test of the 'stateness' of a country. I'm not sure driving licences are good examples regarding recognition of a state and a distinct jurisdiction, so let's take something fundamental like marriage certificates or birth certificates. For those who say because TRNC is not recognised as a country/state then its jurisdiction including law-setting powers which includes citizenship tests are also not recognised, they are mistaken. If you got married in TRNC or had a baby born in TRNC then those certificates issued by the ostensibly unrecognised TRNC are STILL RECOGNISED by other jurisdictions and other states.

CopperLine,

My use of the Drivers Licence point was to illustrate, that having a fake drivers licence created by me is not going to work when there is already a legal driving licence system in operation. The "TRNC" may want to act like my fake driving licence, but will not be recognised by other authorities, hence the fact that the "TRNC" is not recognised as a country by the World, because it is a "fake drivers licence". By you using the marriage and birth certificates in the "TRNC" being recognised by others is hardly relevant. No body denies that TC's live or exists in the "TRNC". I have used a birth certificate issued by the "TRNC" when I applied for my US citizenship many years ago, even though I was not born in the "TRNC", but rather in Cyprus, so that is not the point. Adjustments are made to minimize certain problems to the TC's that are politically based, so not to hinder their day to day life. Same time, two astronauts could have gotten married on the moon, or the space station or on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean, and their marriage would still count in the eyes of the world, despite all those events taking place in NO country at all, recognised or not. It is not intended to deny individual TC's anything by the world, but rather denying a "state" within a State that is acting illegally in the formation of that "state" and then try claiming to be or wanting to be legal, by asking the International community to recognise them. So, individuals are recognised as TC's even if they live in a illegal state, but the illegal state is not recognised as a country.

Your best trick kikapu twisting and squirming, TRNC documents are recognized and used all over the world, I knwo how much this makes your stomache churn but facts are facts.

Now I know you are not "all there" and do not read and comprehend well. I already said, that the TC's are recognised with their documents because of the political situation, just as documents issued to the Palestinians who also live in a unrecognised "state". It is the "TRNC" that is not recognised and not the TC's who live in them. The TC's are not illegal, so why punish them with what ever document they carry from their illegal state that they live in. They were put in that situation and did not choose it. Then there are those TC's, over 70,000+, who also chose to obtain documents from a legal state, the RoC so not to have too much problems getting visas or waiting 3 months for it to arrive at a hefty cost in money.

Here is VP and his family who travels on British Passports claiming to be traveling on "TRNC" documents without any hassle. How about a little honesty VP.??

I have both and when visiting the USA on a business trip for the TRNC we all used our TRNC passports, I do not lie, you maybe used to lieing as it comes naturally and you think others are like you, your lack of knowledge about the TRNC and the people you claim as your own shines through once again.

What is this guy on about...Thousands and thousands travel from Cyprus every day that have no other identity other than that of he TRNC and you still talk crap Kiks.....What is the matter with you........

I already said, that the TC's are recognised with their documents because of the political situation

Incase you and VP missed it...again.

So what the hell are you calling VP a liar for then

[Viewpoint]

zan he is sick to his stomach that the TRNC can be recognized in shape or form, plus he is lacking in knowledge of what goes on in the TRNC and how we have developed since parting ways with the GCs.

[zan]

Man o man!!!!!! Did you ever figure out that question about the tree falling in the forest and whether it makes a sound or not Kiks....

Sure I have. If there was no one there to hear the tree fall to hear whether the tree made any sound or not, then how do you know that the tree fell down in the first place.??

Even if the tree did fall, and as far as making a sound that no body heard, is as useful as a "one hand clap".

I think you need to watch a few episodes of Colombo mate to get some insight into how to solve things........If there is a tree laying on the ground the chances of it getting there by the art of falling would be quite high I think...The chances that it made a sound in an atmosphere that allows sound to travel would also be very high. The solution to the problem is to separate the question into parts and realise that the only thing missing when the tree falls is the ears to ear it.......Your other example is more a case of "Underhanded Crap" rather than the one handed clap.......

[Kikapu]

The sad thing is that you who claim to be a TC is fighting the corner of GCs who nowhere to be seen. TC fights TCs while GCs look on, keep doing their fighting for them Kikapu noway are you a TC, will never believe this, you cannot be this ignorant.

You see VP, this is where you lose credibility. I do not fight in the corner for anyone that does not deserve it. I argue against the injustices and wrongs, against Human Right violations and against Democratic violations...that's all. It has nothing to do with being TC or GC. I see it as an injustice to all Cypriots when wrongs are done, no matter who does them. It is you who speaks of division, 2- people, 2- religion, 2-languages. To me Cyprus is all of us and not us v's them, TC's v's GC's, North v's South, Turkish coffee v's Cyprus coffee. When was the last time you ever suggested a plan that was just fair to all Cypriots, just like I did with my peace plan. I care for all of our people on the island, because I see myself as a Cypriot first before Turkish Cypriot, Just as I see myself as a British before Turkish Cypriot British, and last but not least, I see myself as an American first before Turkish Cypriot American.

I hope this will help you before you start labeling me in what you think I am.

[zan]

The sad thing is that you who claim to be a TC is fighting the corner of GCs who nowhere to be seen. TC fights TCs while GCs look on, keep doing their fighting for them Kikapu noway are you a TC, will never believe this, you cannot be this ignorant.

If he said anything original rather than quoting straight out of the Greek Propaganda sheets I would worry also VP but he doesn't....

[zan]

The sad thing is that you who claim to be a TC is fighting the corner of GCs who nowhere to be seen. TC fights TCs while GCs look on, keep doing their fighting for them Kikapu noway are you a TC, will never believe this, you cannot be this ignorant.

You see VP, this is where you lose credibility. I do not fight in the corner for anyone that does not deserve it. I argue against the injustices and wrongs, against Human Right violations and against Democratic violations...that's all. It has nothing to do with being TC or GC. I see it as an injustice to all Cypriots when wrongs are done, no matter who does them. It is you who speaks of division, 2- people, 2- religion, 2-languages. To me Cyprus is all of us and not us v's them, TC's v's GC's, North v's South, Turkish coffee v's Cyprus coffee. When was the last time you ever suggested a plan that was just fair to all Cypriots, just like I did with my peace plan. I care for all of our people on the island, because I see myself as a Cypriot first before Turkish Cypriot, Just as I see myself as a British before Turkish Cypriot British, and last but not least, I see myself as an American first before Turkish Cypriot American.

I hope this will help you before you start labeling me in what you think I am.

How many letters have you written to Tpap to protest about his usurping of the Zurich agreement and the Akritas Plan then Kiks??????None...Thought so!!!

[zan]

zan he is sick to his stomach that the TRNC can be recognized in shape or form, plus he is lacking in knowledge of what goes on in the TRNC and how we have developed since parting ways with the GCs.

A nice big spoon of Turkish Suzme Yogurt will soon make him feel better kardesim...