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[MR-from-NG]

Nikitas,

The settlers are brought to the "TRNC" for one reason and one reason only, whether peace or no peace, partition or no partition, reconciliation or no reconciliation. They are there to take away the voice (vote) of the TC's and place it in the hands of the Turks. Either the Turks will use their majority voice to vote the way they want to vote to bring about a settlement that gives them the best chance to get into the EU, or worse case scenario, Turks will be the rulers over the TC's in the North, if Turkey does not get into the EU. If the latter one happens, in some years in the future, there will be memorial walking paths and trails named after the the TC's who once lived on the island of Cyprus, much like the Trails we have for the
Kickapoo (Kikapoo, Kikapu) Indian tribes in the Southwestern USA, who have mostly long vanished from the face of the Earth due to the arrival of the Settlers from Europe, and now only a few thousand are remaining.

Rather the Turks than the GCs.

Once again you are demonstrating your Fascist and Racist views VP, by wanting to deny the rightful owners of whose property and heritage lies in the North. You would have made a fine officer in Hitler's Army. Bad timing on your part I guess by being born in the wrong era.

Well, at least you do make an exception to at least one GC, your good friend Bananiot. I don't know how you can earn his respect each time you make your Racist colours show towards his people.

Yeah yeah I know, that he is an Intellect unlike me, so save your breath.!!

Says a man who calls Turks corrupt each and every one..What a hypocrite

I have never called a Turk corrupt Zan. Please show me where I have said that.

Are you being serious........Forgive him lord for he knows not what he does..

Kikapu wrote:

That's fine Zan, as long as you know, that you will be bringing your children into a "corrupted society" and a "corrupted state" built on ethnic cleansing and violations of Human and Democratic Rights of the rightful citizens of Cyprus when we could have taken other options other than the ones I've mentioned above, and the AP was not one of them. We could have chosen True Democracy over "Pirates of the Mediterranean".

Anyway, the above is your dream which I do not believe is in the cards. The added "new citizens" are not in the "TRNC" for our sake, but rather for the sake of Turkey's EU entry. Enjoy your dream as long as it lasts Zan. We all have our "day dreams". Mine actually has much more fantasy than yours, so who am I to knock yours.

I still do not see it Zan. Show me where I said, that the Turks are corrupt.

A visit to spec-savers is well overdue Of course you bloody see it, you're just being your normal self, attention seeker.

[zan]

Nikitas,

The settlers are brought to the "TRNC" for one reason and one reason only, whether peace or no peace, partition or no partition, reconciliation or no reconciliation. They are there to take away the voice (vote) of the TC's and place it in the hands of the Turks. Either the Turks will use their majority voice to vote the way they want to vote to bring about a settlement that gives them the best chance to get into the EU, or worse case scenario, Turks will be the rulers over the TC's in the North, if Turkey does not get into the EU. If the latter one happens, in some years in the future, there will be memorial walking paths and trails named after the the TC's who once lived on the island of Cyprus, much like the Trails we have for the
Kickapoo (Kikapoo, Kikapu) Indian tribes in the Southwestern USA, who have mostly long vanished from the face of the Earth due to the arrival of the Settlers from Europe, and now only a few thousand are remaining.

Rather the Turks than the GCs.

Once again you are demonstrating your Fascist and Racist views VP, by wanting to deny the rightful owners of whose property and heritage lies in the North. You would have made a fine officer in Hitler's Army. Bad timing on your part I guess by being born in the wrong era.

Well, at least you do make an exception to at least one GC, your good friend Bananiot. I don't know how you can earn his respect each time you make your Racist colours show towards his people.

Yeah yeah I know, that he is an Intellect unlike me, so save your breath.!!

Says a man who calls Turks corrupt each and every one..What a hypocrite

I have never called a Turk corrupt Zan. Please show me where I have said that.

Are you being serious........Forgive him lord for he knows not what he does..

Kikapu wrote:

That's fine Zan, as long as you know, that you will be bringing your children into a "corrupted society" and a "corrupted state" built on ethnic cleansing and violations of Human and Democratic Rights of the rightful citizens of Cyprus when we could have taken other options other than the ones I've mentioned above, and the AP was not one of them. We could have chosen True Democracy over "Pirates of the Mediterranean".

Anyway, the above is your dream which I do not believe is in the cards. The added "new citizens" are not in the "TRNC" for our sake, but rather for the sake of Turkey's EU entry. Enjoy your dream as long as it lasts Zan. We all have our "day dreams". Mine actually has much more fantasy than yours, so who am I to knock yours.

I still do not see it Zan. Show me where I said, that the Turks are corrupt.

Perhaps it's me that needs the drink FFS


So who are he ones that are going to corrupt us then Kiks......Maybe the Martians are coming..We all know about those bastard corrupt Martians now don't we....


Once again I will bring you back to the world of reality.......We have had casinos and corruption in order to survive a siege...What is the excuse of your "RoC".................The biggest gangster being their so called president??????You know the one...Th one that had to sign over he rights to the Gas project so that the rest of the people could be sure that it would not be handed over to is son on a plate....

[Kikapu]

Zan, I can sympathise with Kiks. Too much Tequila has the same effect on me too.

I do like my Margaritas on the rocks, that's for sure.

But they always complain of the rough surfaces.

Cheers MR-from-NG.

[Kikapu]

I still do not see it Zan. Show me where I said, that the Turks are corrupt.

Perhaps it's me that needs the drink FFS


So who are he ones that are going to corrupt us then Kiks......Maybe the Martians are coming..We all know about those bastard corrupt Martians now don't we....


Once again I will bring you back to the world of reality.......We have had casinos and corruption in order to survive a siege...What is the excuse of your "RoC".................The biggest gangster being their so called president??????You know the one...Th one that had to sign over he rights to the Gas project so that the rest of the people could be sure that it would not be handed over to is son on a plate....

OK Zan, have it your way and look the other way what it is meant by being a "corrupted society".

You need to take "corrupted society" basic 1o1 course to get you to think in the right direction Zan. All you are telling me is a corruption on individual levels and missing the whole picture on "corrupted society".

[Viewpoint]

Nikitas,

The settlers are brought to the "TRNC" for one reason and one reason only, whether peace or no peace, partition or no partition, reconciliation or no reconciliation. They are there to take away the voice (vote) of the TC's and place it in the hands of the Turks. Either the Turks will use their majority voice to vote the way they want to vote to bring about a settlement that gives them the best chance to get into the EU, or worse case scenario, Turks will be the rulers over the TC's in the North, if Turkey does not get into the EU. If the latter one happens, in some years in the future, there will be memorial walking paths and trails named after the the TC's who once lived on the island of Cyprus, much like the Trails we have for the
Kickapoo (Kikapoo, Kikapu) Indian tribes in the Southwestern USA, who have mostly long vanished from the face of the Earth due to the arrival of the Settlers from Europe, and now only a few thousand are remaining.

Rather the Turks than the GCs.

Once again you are demonstrating your Fascist and Racist views VP, by wanting to deny the rightful owners of whose property and heritage lies in the North. You would have made a fine officer in Hitler's Army. Bad timing on your part I guess by being born in the wrong era.

Well, at least you do make an exception to at least one GC, your good friend Bananiot. I don't know how you can earn his respect each time you make your Racist colours show towards his people.

Yeah yeah I know, that he is an Intellect unlike me, so save your breath.!!

Twisting and squirming yet again, I do not want any harm to come to GCs afr from it, I want them to have the current GC state with us blessing but with me in it as a minority we tried living and sharing 1 country it didnt work now you use repetative cliche statements about the evil Turks, this does not cut water with me or many TCs, given the choice between being absorbed by GCs or Turks I choose Turks everytime, this is my viewpoint and you have to respect it, past history tells us that Gcs are more dangerous, conieving and unless restricted by tight safeguards eg Turkish Army will find a way of dominating us and turning this into a Greek island. You may have sold out your soul but you have to allow me to make my own choices as I see fit.

[zan]

Zan, I can sympathise with Kiks. Too much Tequila has the same effect on me too.

He takes a one look at the worm at the bottom of the bottle and thinks of home.....

The only correlations between the worm and your fantasy dreams about the "TRNC" Zan, is that they are both DEAD and only you are too "tipsy happy" to know it.

Next time yountke a swig out of a bottle of Chateau TRNC and the worm at the bottom jumps up and bites your tongue off...Be sure to drop me a line with your complaint because you will be lost for words.......

[zan]

I still do not see it Zan. Show me where I said, that the Turks are corrupt.

Perhaps it's me that needs the drink FFS


So who are he ones that are going to corrupt us then Kiks......Maybe the Martians are coming..We all know about those bastard corrupt Martians now don't we....


Once again I will bring you back to the world of reality.......We have had casinos and corruption in order to survive a siege...What is the excuse of your "RoC".................The biggest gangster being their so called president??????You know the one...Th one that had to sign over he rights to the Gas project so that the rest of the people could be sure that it would not be handed over to is son on a plate....

OK Zan, have it your way and look the other way what it is meant by being a "corrupted society".

You need to take "corrupted society" basic 1o1 course to get you to think in the right direction Zan. All you are telling me is a corruption on individual levels and missing the whole picture on "corrupted society".

Man o man!!!!!! Did you ever figure out that question about the tree falling in the forest and whether it makes a sound or not Kiks....



Now let me see what you are saying here.....

So by saying "Corrupt Society" we can leave out all the people when it comes to the turks but when it comes to the Greeks "corrupt Society" means just Tpap..........That guy must really be the best lawyer in the west as they say because he has managed to screw the GCs and the world all on his own.......But still nearly 40% of the people are going to vote for him........Fffffffffffffff..FS

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu You give the example of issuing a driving licence as a test of the 'stateness' of a country. I'm not sure driving licences are good examples regarding recognition of a state and a distinct jurisdiction, so let's take something fundamental like marriage certificates or birth certificates. For those who say because TRNC is not recognised as a country/state then its jurisdiction including law-setting powers which includes citizenship tests are also not recognised, they are mistaken. If you got married in TRNC or had a baby born in TRNC then those certificates issued by the ostensibly unrecognised TRNC are STILL RECOGNISED by other jurisdictions and other states.

CopperLine,

My use of the Drivers Licence point was to illustrate, that having a fake drivers licence created by me is not going to work when there is already a legal driving licence system in operation. The "TRNC" may want to act like my fake driving licence, but will not be recognised by other authorities, hence the fact that the "TRNC" is not recognised as a country by the World, because it is a "fake drivers licence". By you using the marriage and birth certificates in the "TRNC" being recognised by others is hardly relevant. No body denies that TC's live or exists in the "TRNC". I have used a birth certificate issued by the "TRNC" when I applied for my US citizenship many years ago, even though I was not born in the "TRNC", but rather in Cyprus, so that is not the point. Adjustments are made to minimize certain problems to the TC's that are politically based, so not to hinder their day to day life. Same time, two astronauts could have gotten married on the moon, or the space station or on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean, and their marriage would still count in the eyes of the world, despite all those events taking place in NO country at all, recognised or not. It is not intended to deny individual TC's anything by the world, but rather denying a "state" within a State that is acting illegally in the formation of that "state" and then try claiming to be or wanting to be legal, by asking the International community to recognise them. So, individuals are recognised as TC's even if they live in a illegal state, but the illegal state is not recognised as a country.

Your best trick kikapu twisting and squirming, TRNC documents are recognized and used all over the world, I knwo how much this makes your stomache churn but facts are facts.

Now I know you are not "all there" and do not read and comprehend well. I already said, that the TC's are recognised with their documents because of the political situation, just as documents issued to the Palestinians who also live in a unrecognised "state". It is the "TRNC" that is not recognised and not the TC's who live in them. The TC's are not illegal, so why punish them with what ever document they carry from their illegal state that they live in. They were put in that situation and did not choose it. Then there are those TC's, over 70,000+, who also chose to obtain documents from a legal state, the RoC so not to have too much problems getting visas or waiting 3 months for it to arrive at a hefty cost in money.

Here is VP and his family who travels on British Passports claiming to be traveling on "TRNC" documents without any hassle. How about a little honesty VP.??

I have both and when visiting the USA on a business trip for the TRNC we all used our TRNC passports, I do not lie, you maybe used to lieing as it comes naturally and you think others are like you, your lack of knowledge about the TRNC and the people you claim as your own shines through once again.

[Kikapu]

Come on guys, enough for one day. We have once again proven that our "knives" are always very sharp. I do not intend on insulting anyone, but also can't keep quite without responding some of the comments that are written. Lets talk about some stuff that we agree on, shall we....Lets talk about PEACE.

[zan]

Kikapu You give the example of issuing a driving licence as a test of the 'stateness' of a country. I'm not sure driving licences are good examples regarding recognition of a state and a distinct jurisdiction, so let's take something fundamental like marriage certificates or birth certificates. For those who say because TRNC is not recognised as a country/state then its jurisdiction including law-setting powers which includes citizenship tests are also not recognised, they are mistaken. If you got married in TRNC or had a baby born in TRNC then those certificates issued by the ostensibly unrecognised TRNC are STILL RECOGNISED by other jurisdictions and other states.

CopperLine,

My use of the Drivers Licence point was to illustrate, that having a fake drivers licence created by me is not going to work when there is already a legal driving licence system in operation. The "TRNC" may want to act like my fake driving licence, but will not be recognised by other authorities, hence the fact that the "TRNC" is not recognised as a country by the World, because it is a "fake drivers licence". By you using the marriage and birth certificates in the "TRNC" being recognised by others is hardly relevant. No body denies that TC's live or exists in the "TRNC". I have used a birth certificate issued by the "TRNC" when I applied for my US citizenship many years ago, even though I was not born in the "TRNC", but rather in Cyprus, so that is not the point. Adjustments are made to minimize certain problems to the TC's that are politically based, so not to hinder their day to day life. Same time, two astronauts could have gotten married on the moon, or the space station or on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean, and their marriage would still count in the eyes of the world, despite all those events taking place in NO country at all, recognised or not. It is not intended to deny individual TC's anything by the world, but rather denying a "state" within a State that is acting illegally in the formation of that "state" and then try claiming to be or wanting to be legal, by asking the International community to recognise them. So, individuals are recognised as TC's even if they live in a illegal state, but the illegal state is not recognised as a country.

Your best trick kikapu twisting and squirming, TRNC documents are recognized and used all over the world, I knwo how much this makes your stomache churn but facts are facts.

Now I know you are not "all there" and do not read and comprehend well. I already said, that the TC's are recognised with their documents because of the political situation, just as documents issued to the Palestinians who also live in a unrecognised "state". It is the "TRNC" that is not recognised and not the TC's who live in them. The TC's are not illegal, so why punish them with what ever document they carry from their illegal state that they live in. They were put in that situation and did not choose it. Then there are those TC's, over 70,000+, who also chose to obtain documents from a legal state, the RoC so not to have too much problems getting visas or waiting 3 months for it to arrive at a hefty cost in money.

Here is VP and his family who travels on British Passports claiming to be traveling on "TRNC" documents without any hassle. How about a little honesty VP.??

I have both and when visiting the USA on a business trip for the TRNC we all used our TRNC passports, I do not lie, you maybe used to lieing as it comes naturally and you think others are like you, your lack of knowledge about the TRNC and the people you claim as your own shines through once again.

What is this guy on about...Thousands and thousands travel from Cyprus every day that have no other identity other than that of he TRNC and you still talk crap Kiks.....What is the matter with you........