Cyprus-Forum.com

[metecyp]

I just read an interesting article by Sevgul Uludag, a TC journalist. Instead of pasting it here, I'll just provide the link.

[url]
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/h ... _2005.html
[/url]
Here's a quote from the end of the article.

This is not a case of `ordinary` `missing persons` - it is a case where the officials of the Republic of Cyprus is involved against defenseless civilians...

So the challenge is there: let’s see if anyone will take it up...

Maybe our GC friends finally understand why we don't want to go back to the RoC.

[insan]

Some people said he’s a prisoner, some said he’s in Greece, some said he’s married...

There are many TC families that believe their missing loved ones forced to marry with GCs, convert their religion and live in South.

Furthermore, this story shows us that there's a huge difference between the ones who lost their lives just because they were TCs, just because they resisted Enosis, majority rule opressions and the ones who lost their lives during the implementation of Akritas Plan, during the defense of the coupists; the Greek invaders.

Grivas, Sampson; their political front and all volunteer supporters of violence caused the biggest harm to Cyprus and Cypriots.

Today, we all know that the aim of Makarios wasn't amending the constitution in order to make it fairer and more democratic. His aim was preparing the ground for Enosis and degrading TCs into a minority status. We all know that the aim of coupists was elliminate all obstacles in front of Enosis and annex Cyprus to Greece.

The mentality of successors of Makrios has no divergences. Kyprianou and Padaopulos tried every trick to degrade TCs into a minority status.

[Piratis]

We understood the reasons you wanted partition from the 1950s. Since then we are listening to your excuses.

Why you posted this? Did your GC friends in this forum ever deny or excuse the several crimes that were committed against TCs?

You are the ones who give excuses for the 100 times more crimes and suffering that you caused to GCs, you are the ones who continue the crime today, and you are the ones who want the violations of human rights to continue indefinitely.

For every TC that died for you excuses the death of 100 GCs, and the permanent human rights violations of 1000. And after all this you pretend to be the victims and the 'virgin Maries', than now have to be reworded on the expense of the "evil" GCs. Hypocrisy in its best.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Metecyp, the link doesn't work.

[Bananiot]

The article also appeared in "Alitheia" newspaper on Sunday in Greek. Sevgul has written many similar articles that describe atrocities committed by both sides. I find Piratis's response, once again, to be totally out of phase. These stories need to surface so that we can understand our past and make us wiser so that we can shape a happyfuture without the mistakes of the past. I believe, also, that the TC's have more missing persons than we do, taking into account the percentage difference. But, of course, there is no logic in repeating that "you have done worse to us than we did to you".

[uzan]

The article also appeared in "Alitheia" newspaper on Sunday in Greek. Sevgul has written many similar articles that describe atrocities committed by both sides. I find Piratis's response, once again, to be totally out of phase. These stories need to surface so that we can understand our past and make us wiser so that we can shape a happyfuture without the mistakes of the past. I believe, also, that the TC's have more missing persons than we do, taking into account the percentage difference. But, of course, there is no logic in repeating that "you have done worse to us than we did to you".

thank you Bananiot at last I am feeling happy to hear both side fault and we have to listen and learn from each others suffering.Than we can learn to live together and trust each other.

[Piratis]

I find Piratis's response, once again, to be totally out of phase. These stories need to surface so that we can understand our past and make us wiser so that we can shape a happyfuture without the mistakes of the past.

What I said is very on topic.
Metecyp posted this article claiming that such events excuse the outrageous demands of TCs that lead to partition of Cyprus (standard or disguised).
However partition is what TC wanted since the 50s. Why should the TCs be reworded by giving to them what they always wanted, and we should be punished again?

Therefore I had to remind to Metecyp and others that think like him about the 100 times more suffering that they caused to us.

One thing are historical facts, and another thing is to selectively choose small parts of history to make the case that the 'virgin Maries' TCs have to be rewarded and the 'evil' GCs punished.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis lets say for arguements sake that everything that happened in Cyprus was TCs fault and that we are evil thieves not to be trusted. Where does it get us?? nowhere.
We are all to blame and should just accept it.
The real question is where do we go from here?

[Piratis]

The real question is where do we go from here?

One way is the only thing legal that exists today, which are the 1960 agreements (which are not bad at all for TCs actually).

Another way is a different kind of arrangement, but this should be an arrangement that should respect human and democratic rights of all Cypriots, and not one that will be based on winners that will gain and losers that will lose.

Making arguments like: "See this selective part of history I choose to present you here? This is the reason why I should gain what I demand and you should get screwed", are not going to get us anywhere.

One thing is the discussion of past events for educational reasons, and a whole another thing to use selectively some events to excuse the continuation of a crime against 1000s of people.

[metecyp]

Why you posted this? Did your GC friends in this forum ever deny or excuse the several crimes that were committed against TCs?

I posted this because the event is not just a small group of extermist GCs attacking to innocent TCs. You always claim how TCs left the RoC because they wanted partition. You also claim that it was always a minority of extermist GCs who committed crimes.

In this event, the policemen of the RoC are directly involved in killings. I hope you understand why TCs did not trust in the RoC then. So maybe you'll stop blaming TCs for leaving the RoC now.

Secondly, the story shows that TCs have missing persons too...it's quite a large number compared to the population of TCs. I just wanted to provide the other side of the coin but you can't even tolerate to that.