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Piratis

One way is the only thing legal that exists today, which are the 1960 agreements (which are not bad at all for TCs actually).

arent you being narrow minded here, many TCs do not want to go back to 1960 Agreement because it did not work for us, its a black page in our history and returning back to it would be like flogging a dead horse. You should be able to think beyond 1960 and envisage something that would mean real sharing of political equality with incentives for both sides to ensure it functionality or total partition.

Another way is a different kind of arrangement, but this should be an arrangement that should respect human and democratic rights of all Cypriots, and not one that will be based on winners that will gain and losers that will lose.

Making arguments like: "See this selective part of history I choose to present you here? This is the reason why I should gain what I demand and you should get screwed", are not going to get us anywhere.

from the above statements its obvious you do not know TCs very well, we do not want to screw anyone, all we want is live a peaceful and safe life and at the juncture many feel it is on our own. Could you kindly answer this question without getting annoyed, how can we give back land to make all GCs happy and still live seperately under 2 constituent states??? how is this possible??

Another question are you more Cypriot than me??? do you love your ancentral homes more than me??? do you love your country more than me??? why I am willing to give up what I have in the south and stay in the north???my family has a lot of land in the south but unfortunately our houses were demolished (no they were not built of mud) for no reason. Why have I come to terms with this issue and not you????

[brother]

A very touching story but unless he takes it to the E.U courts etc. and gets some justice it will be just another statistic in the grander scheme of things, may i also add that there are similar stories told by GC concerning the turkish army and also deserve closure on their missing loved ones.
The cyprus tragedy will keep unfolding even after a solution or partition that will happen in the future.

[magikthrill]

from the above statements its obvious you do not know TCs very well, we do not want to screw anyone, all we want is live a peaceful and safe life and at the juncture many feel it is on our own. Could you kindly answer this question without getting annoyed, how can we give back land to make all GCs happy and still live seperately under 2 constituent states??? how is this possible??not you????

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see thats what you dont udnerstand VP. you ARE screweing someone (many people in fact) by wanting to live in your own state. you cant justify stealing people's property satisfy your desires.

your justificatino to keep the stolen land is equivalent to a wife-beating man telling his wife : " how can i stop beating you if i love you so much?". i.e. hurtful nonsense.

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magikthrill

see thats what you dont udnerstand VP.

There is no magic solution of course everyone will not get what they want, you tell me how we are going to achieve partition, if my communities desire is not to live with GCs. (kindly refrain from being childish in your response)

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magikthrill

see thats what you dont udnerstand VP.

There is no magic solution of course everyone will not get what they want, you tell me how we are going to achieve partition, if my communities desire is not to live with GCs. (kindly refrain from being childish in your response)

If partition is to be achieved then that's a different story. I don't understand though how you can represent your entire community. First I see posts saying "TCs voted YES to Annan so they are the only ones that want true unificatino" and then a post saying "We can't trust the gun loving GCs so we don't want to live with them"

My post refers to a truly unified nation.

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magikthrill

If partition is to be achieved then that's a different story. I don't understand though how you can represent your entire community. First I see posts saying "TCs voted YES to Annan so they are the only ones that want true unificatino" and then a post saying "We can't trust the gun loving GCs so we don't want to live with them"

I voted YES to the Annan plan for my sins, but one year on and I am now a lot wiser not becasue of the plan which according to our GCs friends was a form of partiton but reality has hit home that we cannot and should not unite with these people, they are not genuine and would impose a threat on our well being and freedom in our own country reducing us to a minorty status. there are many yes voters like me who regret voting yes thanks to GCs they have given us time to see the real GC view of a united Cyprus.

[magikthrill]

I voted YES to the Annan plan for my sins, but one year on and I am now a lot wiser not becasue of the plan which according to our GCs friends was a form of partiton but reality has hit home that we cannot and should not unite with these people, they are not genuine and would impose a threat on our well being and freedom in our own country reducing us to a minorty status. there are many yes voters like me who regret voting yes thanks to GCs they have given us time to see the real GC view of a united Cyprus.

It's sad you think that why but I guess I'm no one to change your "wise" mind.

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Thankyou magikthrill.

[Kifeas]

I voted YES to the Annan plan for my sins, but one year on and I am now a lot wiser not becasue of the plan which according to our GCs friends was a form of partiton but reality has hit home that we cannot and should not unite with these people, they are not genuine and would impose a threat on our well being and freedom in our own country reducing us to a minorty status. there are many yes voters like me who regret voting yes thanks to GCs they have given us time to see the real GC view of a united Cyprus.

Dear Viewpoint,

I am in this forum for more than 10 days now and I have never seen in any one of your postings to express the slightest understanding for the various concerns that some GCs expressed, at least during this period, set aside to offer some ideas or suggestions on how it might be possible to overcome them. The only thing you suggest, as an answer to anyone of GC’s expressed concerns, is partition.

Has everything that GCs expressed here made absolutely no sense to you? Have you never come across to even one single GC concern or idea or fear, that you felt it deserved at least some merit? I am sure you did! However, you never expressed it. How do you then expect any of the GCs in this forum to take you seriously, if you appear so biased and inconsiderate all the time? How do you expect your concerns and opinions to receive some merit by any GC, if you have never done it your self for their own? And here I am not necessarily talking about Piratis or MicAtCyp or anybody else that you may justifiably find their postings unacceptable.

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I still dont understand how you can force someone out of there house because you decide to want your own state.

Anyway, both sides commited wrong acts between the end of the British occupation and the invasion. What about the Greeks who were released from arrest by the British, then only to be dumped and murdered in the Turkish Cypriot village of Gunyeli. The TMT also did therer best to cause the air of tension on the island.

Also, how can you blame the GC side for voting no, weeing how heavily in favour the plan was toward Turkey. Did you really expect the Greeks to totally sell themselves out that way. The plan was a load of crap. I still cant belive some of the TC's here expected the Greeks to vote yes to only a small portion of refugees getting there rightful homes/land back, keeping the Turkish army on the island and letting Turkey have a say on what goes on.

At the end of the day, those of you who are worried about the two communites living together...i've lived in the largest Cypriot community in London all my life and have never seen any conflict between the GC's and TC's. We both share the same classrooms and socialise in the same groups. As time goes on, the memories of the 50's, 60's and 70's will slowly start to fade away with the younger generations growing up.