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[umit07]

Since 1976 we have GC's and TC's have been talking about "A bi-zonal federal solution" . The question is what does it mean to you?

[DT.]

a federation with 2 geographical distinct zones.

[123456]

I often hear the phrase "Bi-Zonal, Bicommunal, Federal solution " coming from the President and you know what that means to me?

Your President is a Lawyer.

[DT.]

I often hear the phrase "Bi-Zonal, Bicommunal, Federal solution " coming from the President and you know what that means to me?

Your President is a Lawyer.

he also adds the caveat "with the correct content" as a tail.

Anyway, the term was invented by Makarios and Denktash after 74...not by Papadopoulos. Tpap would never have suggested such a thing in 74, he would have asked us to take to the hills.

[Piratis]

What it means is a Federation made by two component states (bi-zonal) where each in each state the majority of the population comes from one of the two communities (bi communal).

For such thing to happen however the details must be agreed and it must be approved by both Greek and Turkish Cypriots. Until that happens the only thing that exists and who everybody is obligated to respect are the 1960 agreements and Republic of Cyprus.

The Turkish side thinks that by illegally occupying the north part of Cyprus they can blackmail us and force us to accept a "solution" that they like. This however will never happen. For a BBF to happen it requires that both sides make compromises from the rights they had with the 1960 agreements. The TC impression that the new agreement should be better for them and worst for us is totally false as we will never accept such thing.

[umit07]

Piratis

It's the details that are important anyway. From a TC point of view its important that their federal state is comprised of mostly TC's and that when voting for your own state gov. you have a voting write based on your ethnic background ( so if a GC lived in the north state he would again vote for the state gov. in the south and vise versa). Do you find this acceptable?

[Kifeas]

Since 1976 we have GC's and TC's have been talking about "A bi-zonal federal solution" . The question is what does it mean to you?

A Bi-communal and a bi-zonal federation, for the GCs, simply means that the 1960 bi-communal unitary RoC will develop (evolve) into a bi-communal and a bi-zonal federal RoC! It means that the bi-communal nature of the 1960 unitary RoC government will be retained at a somewhat more refined, fair and functional type of arrangement, but which will be transferred to the federal (central) government. Furthermore, two zones (states) will be established, from inside, in which it will be envisioned that each of the two communities will be the majority, but which two zones (states) will not be based on ethnic agendas!

The government apparatus’s working language for each of the two states will be Greek and Turkish respectively, but from then on, the inherent constitutional power of each of the two states will derive from the permanent residents of each one, as in all other federations world-wide; and not from the members of the one or the other community, selectively and exclusively, like it was the case in the rightfully failed Anan-plan!

There should be no political or cultural discrimination on any Cypriot, by any of the two states, their constitutions and their laws! None of the two states should be serving ethnic agendas -set aside those of foreign countries, their national ideologies or their worldviews! No community (or state government for this matter) will have the right to impose its own cultural identity or nationalistic ideology on any Cypriot citizen, anywhere in Cyprus, as the TC community wrongfully attempted to secure and enforce against the GC population through in the wrongful and defective Anan plan!

Every Cypriot should have the right to establish themselves in any part of their country they wish to, more so those that were illegally expelled by Turkey in 1974 and their descendants! In order to maintain a TC majority in one of the states, an effort by law will be exercised by the central government and the state governments -through economic measures and incentives, so that the Cypriot population of each state will approximately correspond to its territorial percentage! However, if the many of the members of the TC community will choose, in the process of time, to permanently reside outside the boundaries of the North state, this will not mean that the north state should become empty of Cypriot people, so that a TC majority is maintained, as it was wrongly envisioned by the Anan plan!

Cyprus, as a whole, should remain an independed and sovereign state, and as according to the UN Charter, no foreign country should have troops anywhere on its soil, more so with accompanied "unilateral intervention rights!" Especially countries with no political or democratic culture of their own, which themselves violate the human, cultural and political rights of their own citizens and which themselves should ideally be needing others to have unilateral intervention rights in their soil -such as Turkey for example; cannot possible act as "guardians" of other countries -more so of countries such as EU member Cyprus!

[Piratis]

Piratis

It's the details that are important anyway. From a TC point of view its important that their federal state is comprised of mostly TC's and that when voting for your own state gov. you have a voting write based on your ethnic background ( so if a GC lived in the north state he would again vote for the state gov. in the south and vise versa). Do you find this acceptable?

There is no kind of federation (or state for that matter) that discriminates among its residence based on their ethnic background. The TCs should realize that BBF does not mean partition. TCs will not have a separate country. BBF is not just a term invented to disguise the partition dream of TCs, and if such kind of disguised partition "BBF" is proposed to us will will reject it as we did with Annan plan.

[umit07]

Piratis

If you talk about a fed. of the nature you mention . It can also be interpreted as "Hellenization" of the island. What do you also suggest, that we sing the Greek National anthem together with you?

[Piratis]

The Hellenization of this island already happened 3500 years ago. If you hate Greeks this doesn't give you the right to ethnically cleanse people, change the names of our villages, destroy our churches and heritage and try to create a fake Cyprus on our land. You have to accept Cyprus for what it is if you want peace. If you want war, continue with the war, but don't expect us to capitulate.

Every corner of Cyprus is the homeland of 5+ times more Greek than Turkish Cypriots. You should accept our huge compromise that part of this island can legally have a TC majority, instead of arrogantly demanding a disguised partition, basically the illegal "trnc" that you have now but legalized. Why the hell do you think we would ever accept such thing?