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[Get Real!]

You are the hypocrite. You enslaved us for 3+ centuries against the will of the native Cypriot people and then you are complaining because we wanted our self determination and the right to rule our own island? We didn't fight against you. We fought against the Colonialists. You started the conflict against us, and you collaborated with the colonialists and Turkey in order for one more time to deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination on their own island.

We got our freedom in 1960 but that was not enough for you greedy Greeks and GCs, you wanted it all and were prepared to genocide us TCs to satisfy your greed for ENOSIS.

You are like a gambler who goes to a casino to win but cries his eyes out when he loses and makes up all sorts of lies and excuses to justify his loss to his family.

It is solely your greed for ENOSIS that got us all in the mess we are in and it is still solely your greed for ENOSIS that the island will stay partitioned for ever.

Funnily enough it was the Turks who conducted genocide by ethnically cleansing with the removal and killing of thousands of GCs in 1974 so where does that leave you alleged GC genocide of Turkish Cypriots stories? ...In the gutter with the rest of your posts Ricco - the bitter twisted lemon – Dayi!

[Get Real!]

You are the hypocrite. You enslaved us for 3+ centuries against the will of the native Cypriot people and then you are complaining because we wanted our self determination and the right to rule our own island? We didn't fight against you. We fought against the Colonialists. You started the conflict against us, and you collaborated with the colonialists and Turkey in order for one more time to deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination on their own island.

We got our freedom in 1960 but that was not enough for you greedy Greeks and GCs, you wanted it all and were prepared to genocide us TCs to satisfy your greed for ENOSIS.

You are like a gambler who goes to a casino to win but cries his eyes out when he loses and makes up all sorts of lies and excuses to justify his loss to his family.

It is solely your greed for ENOSIS that got us all in the mess we are in and it is still solely your greed for ENOSIS that the island will stay partitioned for ever.

I completely agree with this post.

And to top it off, it makes perfect sense, as everyone knows the Greeks are degenerate gamblers!

There's no stopping us Bubbles when we get on the tables!

Pumpy eh? Cute name but it's a shame about the IQ; do you know the meaning of "genocide" pumpkin head?

“The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group”

[Piratis]

You are the hypocrite. You enslaved us for 3+ centuries against the will of the native Cypriot people and then you are complaining because we wanted our self determination and the right to rule our own island? We didn't fight against you. We fought against the Colonialists. You started the conflict against us, and you collaborated with the colonialists and Turkey in order for one more time to deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination on their own island.

What nerve. The man claims Cyprus had the right to 'self determination', yet he neglects to mention how utterly immoral and untenable, not to mention dangerous, this policy was in light of the fact that a good 20% of the pop was dead against it, for obvious reasons. The minority, and this is the ultimate question here, would have floundered in a blood bath were Enosis enacted and maintained.

The right wing agitators and terrorists of Cyprus and that idiotic Junta of Greece were an utter disgrace to humanity, and no better than fascists of the Third Reich. Except the Nazis in Germany at least had a basis and groundswell of workmanship and devotion to the cause.

The Grivas supporters were a bunch of thick, violent peasants.

What a nerve! Those fuckers came to rule Cyprus when they had 0% of the population of this island, they enslave us and oppressed us, and then they tell us that we can not take decisions in a democratic way for our own island because some minority opposed it!

Let me ask you Pumpy, when you take decisions in the UK do you ask your minorities separately? When in Turkey they take decisions do they ask the Kurds separetely? Who the hell gave you the right to impose your will on our own island my friend?

[Eric dayi]

You are the hypocrite. You enslaved us for 3+ centuries against the will of the native Cypriot people and then you are complaining because we wanted our self determination and the right to rule our own island? We didn't fight against you. We fought against the Colonialists. You started the conflict against us, and you collaborated with the colonialists and Turkey in order for one more time to deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination on their own island.

We got our freedom in 1960 but that was not enough for you greedy Greeks and GCs, you wanted it all and were prepared to genocide us TCs to satisfy your greed for ENOSIS.

You are like a gambler who goes to a casino to win but cries his eyes out when he loses and makes up all sorts of lies and excuses to justify his loss to his family.

It is solely your greed for ENOSIS that got us all in the mess we are in and it is still solely your greed for ENOSIS that the island will stay partitioned for ever.

Funnily enough it was the Turks who conducted genocide by ethnically cleansing with the removal and killing of thousands of GCs in 1974 so where does that leave you alleged GC genocide of Turkish Cypriots stories? ...In the gutter with the rest of your posts Ricco - the bitter twisted lemon – Dayi!

Ahhh, the bimbo is back to spread yet more lies and Greek/GC propaganda.

The island had to be divided to stop you greedy Greeks and GCs from completing your genocide and achieve your ENOSIS. You have only yourselves to blame for the shite you now swim in.

[Pumpy]

You are the hypocrite. You enslaved us for 3+ centuries against the will of the native Cypriot people and then you are complaining because we wanted our self determination and the right to rule our own island? We didn't fight against you. We fought against the Colonialists. You started the conflict against us, and you collaborated with the colonialists and Turkey in order for one more time to deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination on their own island.

What nerve. The man claims Cyprus had the right to 'self determination', yet he neglects to mention how utterly immoral and untenable, not to mention dangerous, this policy was in light of the fact that a good 20% of the pop was dead against it, for obvious reasons. The minority, and this is the ultimate question here, would have floundered in a blood bath were Enosis enacted and maintained.

The right wing agitators and terrorists of Cyprus and that idiotic Junta of Greece were an utter disgrace to humanity, and no better than fascists of the Third Reich. Except the Nazis in Germany at least had a basis and groundswell of workmanship and devotion to the cause.

The Grivas supporters were a bunch of thick, violent peasants.

What a nerve! Those fuckers came to rule Cyprus when they had 0% of the population of this island, they enslave us and oppressed us, and then they tell us that we can not take decisions in a democratic way for our own island because some minority opposed it!

Let me ask you Pumpy, when you take decisions in the UK do you ask your minorities separately? When in Turkey they take decisions do they ask the Kurds separetely? Who the hell gave you the right to impose your will on our own island my friend?

The Turkish on the mainland ask the Commander in Chief of the Army and that's about it! The militaristic nationalistic thugs!

The British? Yes we do actually!

Face it, the TCs have been around for ab-so-lutely ages! You can't disown them now! How rude! Plus, they are a thoroghly lovely bunch of people and they consider themselves Cypriot. Most of them don't want mainlander involvement!

It;s right wingers like you, on both sides, that cause division.

[Piratis]

The British? Yes we do actually!

Really? So in the UK the Muslim or other minorities have a veto? Or do you make separate referenda for them, and nothing is done unless approved by them?

I believe in the UK each member of a minority simply has a single vote, as any other British citizen, plus some minority rights which are there to protect their human rights, not to block the country from taking democratic decisions. This is what should have been allowed to Cyprus. Unfortunately democracy and freedom to Cyprus didn't suit some.

It;s right wingers like you, on both sides, that cause division.

Since when is democracy and equality of all people without racist discriminations considered "right wing"?

[Pumpy]

The British? Yes we do actually!

Really? So in the UK the Muslim or other minorities have a veto? Or do you make separate referenda for them, and nothing is done unless approved by them?

I believe in the UK each member of a minority simply has a single vote, as any other British citizen, plus some minority rights which are there to protect their human rights, not to block the country from taking democratic decisions. This is what should have been allowed to Cyprus. Unfortunately democracy and freedom to Cyprus didn't suit some.

It;s right wingers like you, on both sides, that cause division.

Since when is democracy and equality of all people without racist discriminations considered "right wing"?

No, you twist debate.

It is right wing to speak of Enosis and Self Determination, as there is no reason, historically, morally or legally, for Cyprus to be unified with Greece. It is an outrageous and devisive policy that was bound to bring a shit storm down on the newly formed Republic. It also was a right wing policy. Fact. And you support it, ergo, you are right wing.

And in Britain, we are a unified country, so the context you speak of is bizarre. Not to mention, the fact we have had devolution of the Kingdom, which means Northern Ireland, Wales and to a greater degree, Scotland, have their own parliaments and MPs and their rights to vote in their own affairs.

You have stitiched your own argument up, Piratis. Like I say, become more informed and less Cyprus-centric.

[Piratis]

Pumpy, you are the one who twists the debade. Here we are talking about minorities, not about regions who have always belonged to specific people, such as Scotland and Ireland.

So the conclusion is that you do not ask the minorities separately to take a decision, neither does Turkey, but this two countries wanted to use the TC minority as means to deny to us our freedom and self-determination so they invented new rules for us, which they do not apply to their own countries.

It is right wing to speak of Enosis and Self Determination, as there is no reason, historically, morally or legally, for Cyprus to be unified with Greece.

Pumpy, I didn't say that today we want enosis. What I said is that in the 50s (and since 1821 for that matter) it was 100% our right to demand such thing, and there was nothing immoral or wrong about it.
If you deny this, then tell me exactly what is the difference between Cyprus and Crete or Rhodos or any other Greek territory and island? I know the history of our island very well. Do you?

[Pumpy]

Pumpy, you are the one who twists the debade. Here we are talking about minorities, not about regions who have always belonged to specific people, such as Scotland and Ireland.

So the conclusion is that you do not ask the minorities separately to take a decision, neigher does Turkey, but this two countries wanted to use the TC minority as means to deny to us our freedom and self-determination so they invaded new rules for us, which they do not apply to their own countries.

It is right wing to speak of Enosis and Self Determination, as there is no reason, historically, morally or legally, for Cyprus to be unified with Greece.

Pumpy, I didn't say that today we want enosis. What I said is that in the 50s (and since 1821 for that matter) it was 100% our right to demand such thing, and there was nothing immoral or wrong about it.
If you deny this, then tell me exactly what is the difference between Cyprus and Crete or Rhodos or any other Greek territory and island? I know the history of our island very well. Do you?

Yes, and without prejudice and bias.

No, the country did not have the right to Enosis in the 50s, or the 60s or the 70s. It was always out of the question. I'm amazed you think it morally sound, to advocate such a view, when 1 in 5 people were dead against it.

You cannot use the comparison to Britain as there are no questions of 'self determination' and there has not been any such questions in recent history.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong and it wouldn't harm your overall position if you were man enough to admit it.

[Eric dayi]

Pumpy, you are the one who twists the debade. Here we are talking about minorities, not about regions who have always belonged to specific people, such as Scotland and Ireland.

So the conclusion is that you do not ask the minorities separately to take a decision, neigher does Turkey, but this two countries wanted to use the TC minority as means to deny to us our freedom and self-determination so they invaded new rules for us, which they do not apply to their own countries.

It is right wing to speak of Enosis and Self Determination, as there is no reason, historically, morally or legally, for Cyprus to be unified with Greece.

Pumpy, I didn't say that today we want enosis. What I said is that in the 50s (and since 1821 for that matter) it was 100% our right to demand such thing, and there was nothing immoral or wrong about it.
If you deny this, then tell me exactly what is the difference between Cyprus and Crete or Rhodos or any other Greek territory and island? I know the history of our island very well. Do you?

Yes, and without prejudice and bias.

No, the country did not have the right to Enosis in the 50s, or the 60s or the 70s. It was always out of the question. I'm amazed you think it morally sound, to advocate such a view, when 1 in 5 people were dead against it.

You cannot use the comparison to Britain as there are no questions of 'self determination' and there has not been any such questions in recent history.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong and it wouldn't harm your overall position if you were man enough to admit it.

Hey you cracked a joke, I might get to like you after all.