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[Piratis]

Piratis...the attitudes of the ruling elite in Britain in the 50s was vastly different to that of the 70s. Things changed alot and it wasn't so much about divide and rule, as it was about Britain being a very weak and economically bowed country, stripped of her empire and international clout. Hence why Thatcher proved so successful in the 80s. You need to educate yourself on British political history outside of the narrow lense supplied by the Cyprus-centric.

By the 70s, we had no say, and it was America that called the shots. Remember, in the Cold War, the main consideration was how things played with the USSR and her allies and the US and her allies. Do you seriously think England was able to act and call the shots unilaterally? You provide us Brits with far too much kudos!

No, if you read more widely, you'll come to understand that Britain did her best by Cyprus in pressing times, and the UK bases were a blatant impediment to overall takeover.

Please understand this basic fact, it will help you greatly in seeing everything clearly and might lend itself towards the end of making you less ill-informed.

Pumpy, the Turks kept the whole of Cyprus for 3+ centuries. Their plan this time, as it was agreed with the British from the 50s, was partition so they could ethnically cleanse one part of Cyprus and Turkify it, as opposed of having to rule over a majority of Greek Cypriot population, something that they knew from experience that it wouldn't work.

In 1974 they simply found the chance to put into action the partition plan they had since the 50s. They didn't have a plan to occupy the whole of Cyprus. What you say is nonsense.

[Pumpy]

Oh dear, Piratis appears to be assailed from all sides. What will he spout next in his wild, swinging defence?

Though to be fair, the Turks here can clearly shut up! They are infamous throught Europe (hence their difficulties gaining access to the EU club) for their horrendous human rights record. The way they treated the GCs when they landed in 74 was disgraceful, and of course there is the legendary Armenian genocide.

The country has no moral basis for complaining about human rights, when set in contrast to its own actions. But of course, the GCs need to stop pissing and moaning and own up to their own terrible atrocities.

Some balance is in order, I feel.

And I am fit to comment as I am half Greek Cyp.

[Pumpy]

Piratis...the attitudes of the ruling elite in Britain in the 50s was vastly different to that of the 70s. Things changed alot and it wasn't so much about divide and rule, as it was about Britain being a very weak and economically bowed country, stripped of her empire and international clout. Hence why Thatcher proved so successful in the 80s. You need to educate yourself on British political history outside of the narrow lense supplied by the Cyprus-centric.

By the 70s, we had no say, and it was America that called the shots. Remember, in the Cold War, the main consideration was how things played with the USSR and her allies and the US and her allies. Do you seriously think England was able to act and call the shots unilaterally? You provide us Brits with far too much kudos!

No, if you read more widely, you'll come to understand that Britain did her best by Cyprus in pressing times, and the UK bases were a blatant impediment to overall takeover.

Please understand this basic fact, it will help you greatly in seeing everything clearly and might lend itself towards the end of making you less ill-informed.

Pumpy, the Turks kept the whole of Cyprus for 3+ centuries. Their plan this time, as it was agreed with the British from the 50s, was partition so they could ethnically cleanse one part of Cyprus and Turkify it, as opposed of having to rule over a majority of Greek Cypriot population, something that they knew from experience that it wouldn't work.

In 1974 they simply found the chance to put into action the partition plan they had since the 50s. They didn't have a plan to occupy the whole of Cyprus. What you say is nonsense.

fanciful rubbish, and based on thin air.

You have no evidence for this, and as if the British would engineer a situation like that, particularly knowing 'ethnic cleansing' would occur,

You need to be less biased and admit the blatant truth: The GCs were carrying out systematic ethnic cleansing of TCs in the 60s and early 70s. You cannot deny this. I have family members who have admitted belonging to EOKA B and committing such acts, so your defence is flimsy to put it mildly.

[Piratis]

You have no evidence for this, and as if the British would engineer a situation like that, particularly knowing 'ethnic cleansing' would occur,

Mate, did you watch the video I posted earlier where the British officially propose partition to Turkey in the 50s, before the inter-communal conflict had started?

Or you know any way to achieve partition without ethnic cleansing when every part of Cyprus has a 5 to 1 GC majority?

Your idea that the British are so nice that would not engineer partition because they didn't want ethnic cleansing is shot down by the British made video I posted earlier.

The official British government making official proposals to Turkey for the partition of Cyprus in the 50s, this event recorded on video and me showing you this video and then you describe this as "no evidence" based on "thin air"?? What more evidence do you want really?

About the conflict in the 60s, extremist GCs killed some 100s of TCs and extremist TCs killed some 100s of GCs. Did you hear only half the story? Furthermore the killings where over by 1968, and had nothing to do with the invasion of 1974.

[Viewpoint]

You have no evidence for this, and as if the British would engineer a situation like that, particularly knowing 'ethnic cleansing' would occur,

Mate, did you watch the video I posted earlier where the British officially propose partition to Turkey in the 50s, before the inter-communal conflict had started?

Or you know any way to achieve partition without ethnic cleansing when every part of Cyprus has a 5 to 1 GC majority?

Your idea that the British are so nice that would not engineer partition because they didn't want ethnic cleansing is shot down by the British made video I posted earlier.

The official British government making official proposals to Turkey for the partition of Cyprus in the 50s, this event recorded on video and me showing you this video and then you describe this as "no evidence" based on "thin air"?? What more evidence do you want really?

About the conflict in the 60s, extremist GCs killed some 100s of TCs and extremist TCs killed some 100s of GCs. Did you hear only half the story? Furthermore the killings where over by 1968, and had nothing to do with the invasion of 1974.

You are such a hypocrite, you link the incidents in 1958 to those after the "RoC" was established yet 1974 had nothing to do with previous incidents, according to you everything was fine for TCs after 1968 and they should have been content with living in ghettos and being discriminated against by the GCs who had hijacked the "RoC".

[Piratis]

You are the hypocrite. You enslaved us for 3+ centuries against the will of the native Cypriot people and then you are complaining because we wanted our self determination and the right to rule our own island? We didn't fight against you. We fought against the Colonialists. You started the conflict against us, and you collaborated with the colonialists and Turkey in order for one more time to deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination on their own island.

[Pumpy]

You have no evidence for this, and as if the British would engineer a situation like that, particularly knowing 'ethnic cleansing' would occur,

Mate, did you watch the video I posted earlier where the British officially propose partition to Turkey in the 50s, before the inter-communal conflict had started?

Or you know any way to achieve partition without ethnic cleansing when every part of Cyprus has a 5 to 1 GC majority?

Your idea that the British are so nice that would not engineer partition because they didn't want ethnic cleansing is shot down by the British made video I posted earlier.

The official British government making official proposals to Turkey for the partition of Cyprus in the 50s, this event recorded on video and me showing you this video and then you describe this as "no evidence" based on "thin air"?? What more evidence do you want really?

About the conflict in the 60s, extremist GCs killed some 100s of TCs and extremist TCs killed some 100s of GCs. Did you hear only half the story? Furthermore the killings where over by 1968, and had nothing to do with the invasion of 1974.

Piratus, you are so laughably ill-informed it hurts.

What did I say? Britain of the 50s was very different to the Britain of the 70s. The UK elite had changed massively in those two decades, and besides that, we had lost all our colonial powers. We had no say, either way.

And you are wrong about the inter-communal fighting. If you informed yourself, and appraised yourself of sources outside of your pathetically biased 'library', you'd know that the numbers killed by EOKA B vastly outnumbered the victims claimed by the opposing side.

It was no contest in fact. The minority were getting screwed, and in a bad way. And the fact you deny this, and still maintain grip of your moderator badge, is a complete shame upon the notion of impartiality on this here forum.

[Pumpy]

You are the hypocrite. You enslaved us for 3+ centuries against the will of the native Cypriot people and then you are complaining because we wanted our self determination and the right to rule our own island? We didn't fight against you. We fought against the Colonialists. You started the conflict against us, and you collaborated with the colonialists and Turkey in order for one more time to deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination on their own island.

What nerve. The man claims Cyprus had the right to 'self determination', yet he neglects to mention how utterly immoral and untenable, not to mention dangerous, this policy was in light of the fact that a good 20% of the pop was dead against it, for obvious reasons. The minority, and this is the ultimate question here, would have floundered in a blood bath were Enosis enacted and maintained.

The right wing agitators and terrorists of Cyprus and that idiotic Junta of Greece were an utter disgrace to humanity, and no better than fascists of the Third Reich. Except the Nazis in Germany at least had a basis and groundswell of workmanship and devotion to the cause.

The Grivas supporters were a bunch of thick, violent peasants.

[Eric dayi]

You are the hypocrite. You enslaved us for 3+ centuries against the will of the native Cypriot people and then you are complaining because we wanted our self determination and the right to rule our own island? We didn't fight against you. We fought against the Colonialists. You started the conflict against us, and you collaborated with the colonialists and Turkey in order for one more time to deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination on their own island.

We got our freedom in 1960 but that was not enough for you greedy Greeks and GCs, you wanted it all and were prepared to genocide us TCs to satisfy your greed for ENOSIS.

You are like a gambler who goes to a casino to win but cries his eyes out when he loses and makes up all sorts of lies and excuses to justify his loss to his family.

It is solely your greed for ENOSIS that got us all in the mess we are in and it is still solely your greed for ENOSIS that the island will stay partitioned for ever.

[Pumpy]

You are the hypocrite. You enslaved us for 3+ centuries against the will of the native Cypriot people and then you are complaining because we wanted our self determination and the right to rule our own island? We didn't fight against you. We fought against the Colonialists. You started the conflict against us, and you collaborated with the colonialists and Turkey in order for one more time to deny to Cypriots their freedom and self determination on their own island.

We got our freedom in 1960 but that was not enough for you greedy Greeks and GCs, you wanted it all and were prepared to genocide us TCs to satisfy your greed for ENOSIS.

You are like a gambler who goes to a casino to win but cries his eyes out when he loses and makes up all sorts of lies and excuses to justify his loss to his family.

It is solely your greed for ENOSIS that got us all in the mess we are in and it is still solely your greed for ENOSIS that the island will stay partitioned for ever.

I completely agree with this post.

And to top it off, it makes perfect sense, as everyone knows the Greeks are degenerate gamblers!

There's no stopping us Bubbles when we get on the tables!