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[Sega]

The thing is that Cyprus is a small country and most companies are not very big. The few big companies that we have do offer training and all that.

The difference is that companies abroad work for their job and as long as their company is running smoothly are happy to take less of an income home with them. On average a typical company gives just over half their profits to their staff. In Cyprus I know companies who's staff wage is so low it is virtually not there in terms of their profits.

Look at the developers for instance (ergolavi in Greek), how much money do they make and how much money do they give to their staff?

How about the Hermes, they point blank replaced all their Greek employees and hired foreigners to cut back on wages.

The companies are shooting their own nationals in the foot, they much prefer to higher foreigners (who work for next to nothing) instead of their own. So who is going to hire your children since most of the big companies are ran with this mentality?

It's all about fat people getting fatter, it's also called greed.

In the UK we had a small company, we still offered to train them. How on earth can staff be productive without sufficient training? If you want them to function well in your company your going to have to train them. Be prepared for them to make mistakes in the first 6 months.

[michalis5354]

Also most companies they do not trust their employees . They know that after they learn the job they will leave and start their own business competing their last employer or moving to another company offering similar services. So they prefer to have the job done as costless as possible.

I asked one plumber once why he wasnt employing someone for assistance as he was very busy. he replied that he did in the past but they left and started their own business so he prefers to do the job by himself now.

[Sega]

Also most companies they do not trust their employees . They know that after they learn the job they will leave and start their own business competing their last employer or moving to another company offering similar services. So they prefer to have the job done as costless as possible.

I asked one plumber once why he wasn't employing someone for assistance as he was very busy. he replied that he did in the past but they left and started their own business so he prefers to do the job by himself now.

I completely agree with you. You need to ask yourself why will they leave? If they paid their staff well they would not really be inclined to leaving. After all job hunting and/or starting your own business is not exactly the easiest task to do.

In the UK plumbing is the hot topic, but here it is with everything. They won't give you a chance. People bring foreigners in which know the job well for nearly all sections of employment (including but not restricted to, constructing, catering, hospitality, leisure, travel, design, IT).

For instance they will open a catalogue of people from other countries and simply hire them because they understand they will work for less and the chances are that they will also know the job better (because they are selected from a huge audience). These people would come specially to Cyprus for that specific job. Do you understand how it works, they are importing their workforce in. You might say, it's because the Cypriots demand more money. I can give you my own personal example. I went into a Print Shop and asked to be hired, they basically said they could not hire me. Several days later I noticed a new non-national employee there who could hardly speak the language.

Where is the sense in that? Give a non-national the chance and don't give the national.

[DANGAMAN]

I agree with what most of you are saying, however my brother and sister who live in the UK came over ever year and all they do is complain about Cyprus.

The cars over there are cheaper, houses are better jobs pay more life is better. I then say to them why do you keep coming over then?

As Cypriots we are born hard workers in order to help our children, that is not so much the case in other countries. This is our culture. (Right or wrong)

Yes, Cyprus is expensive and we do work hard, however Cyprus has a lot to offer. In many foreign countries if you tell off a 14 year old, it is very likely that boy may stab or even shoot you.

We still have a little of honesty, safety respect and a strong family culture which unfortunately we are loosing too.

[IcyNoAngel]

I agree, Dangaman. But not in all the countries you get stabbed or shot. I also can say that in other countries a 14 year old just know much more than some Cypriots know all their life. Which is a fact.

[Sega]

I agree with what most of you are saying, however my brother and sister who live in the UK came over ever year and all they do is complain about Cyprus.

The cars over there are cheaper, houses are better jobs pay more life is better. I then say to them why do you keep coming over then?

As Cypriots we are born hard workers in order to help our children, that is not so much the case in other countries. This is our culture. (Right or wrong)

Yes, Cyprus is expensive and we do work hard, however Cyprus has a lot to offer. In many foreign countries if you tell off a 14 year old, it is very likely that boy may stab or even shoot you.

We still have a little of honesty, safety respect and a strong family culture which unfortunately we are loosing too.

Sorry if I came across as a complainer (mainly because I am), I a merely trying to understand the root of the problem. The only reason I mentioned the UK is because be mentioned trained plumbers leaving their bosses to get more money which is a problem in England, not so much of a problem here because plumbers no where near get as much as in the UK.

I did not mention that cars cheaper over there (Japanese cars are cheaper over here ), nor did I say life is better there because it's not. I did not say Cyprus is expensive, all I buy from here is food, everything else is from eBay and I am quite happy with the prices.

As you noticed I find workaround, to every problem there is a solution and that is ultimately what we should all hope to find, keeping a problem for you a problem is not good and in any country there are problems.

The only topic I mentioned was this topic of companies importing their workforce in. What I said sticks, until of course you find a solution to this problem. By the way, I love Cyprus.

[JoJo]

"all I buy from here is food, everything else is from eBay"

How do you expect the country to support you if you do not support the country?

[Sega]

"all I buy from here is food, everything else is from eBay"

How do you expect the country to support you if you do not support the country?

What else is there to buy, if I need something urgent I would use local store. For instance I purchased a computer mouse of 6 pounds on my local computer store. If I know where to go I will go, but if I don't and there is high probability I will have a hard purchase I take my chances online.

I buy petrol too. I like very select items, like special shampoos and other thing. Unfortunately if I were to find them here they would be slightly too expensive and the chances are that I would have to go to Nicosia which is too far.

I support the country, and it supports in the most part. I am having problems with employment, hence the reason behind this thread and this is the problem I found, I can give you stories if you like. Every country has problems, the reasoning behind this thread is to find a solution to this problem. I should have better explained, sorry.

[kokorosie]

Hello everybody,

I would really appreciate if everybody said something on this thread.

I am wondering if wages are at all related to one's qualifications.

Do people who have a standard diploma, degree or a masters degree viewed on the same light by an employer? Does it make a difference if you are slightly more educated than the guy next door, does this mean you will be entitled to a higher wage.

How does the salary they get reflect this, is it worth going to university to start off on the same foot as somebody who did not go?

I feel this topic is very important as I have many relates who slaved away at college/university and come back to get the same wage as somebody who works at Starbucks or Costa's. We all understand that Cyprus in relation to it's population has a high rate of people going to further/higher education.

Money is extremely important for somebody livelihood, it makes them do things they wanted to do, acts as an incentive in the most part. So if this incentive is taken away would people not do jobs badly, how on earth can somebody work to the very best of his ability when he/she knows their getting a low wage (despite of the fact that this is Cyprus).

Would you say this is the reason many in Cyprus do their jobs bad? I understand there are many people who do bad jobs in the UK, but it seems that in Cyprus it is magnified by many factors.

From my own experience in Cyprus : If there is another person (with same or lower or even higher education as you) willing to work for less and suitable for the position, he/she will be employed rather than you.

There is quite a lot educated people in Cyprus working for less than would be decent. But that's the market, unfortunately

[Sega]

Hello everybody,

I would really appreciate if everybody said something on this thread.

I am wondering if wages are at all related to one's qualifications.

Do people who have a standard diploma, degree or a masters degree viewed on the same light by an employer? Does it make a difference if you are slightly more educated than the guy next door, does this mean you will be entitled to a higher wage.

How does the salary they get reflect this, is it worth going to university to start off on the same foot as somebody who did not go?

I feel this topic is very important as I have many relates who slaved away at college/university and come back to get the same wage as somebody who works at Starbucks or Costa's. We all understand that Cyprus in relation to it's population has a high rate of people going to further/higher education.

Money is extremely important for somebody livelihood, it makes them do things they wanted to do, acts as an incentive in the most part. So if this incentive is taken away would people not do jobs badly, how on earth can somebody work to the very best of his ability when he/she knows their getting a low wage (despite of the fact that this is Cyprus).

Would you say this is the reason many in Cyprus do their jobs bad? I understand there are many people who do bad jobs in the UK, but it seems that in Cyprus it is magnified by many factors.

From my own experience in Cyprus : If there is another person (with same or lower or even higher education as you) willing to work for less and suitable for the position, he/she will be employed rather than you.

There is quite a lot educated people in Cyprus working for less than would be decent. But that's the market, unfortunately

Unfortunatly your right, it's all about money.