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[denizaksulu]

Fair enough UMIT, tottally fair enough 33 years is a long time. The university at Kapouti is an awsome place. I wish I hasd time to get out the car to walk through the grounds. That place is amazing from what I saw driving past a couple of months ago en route to Xeros. You know Umiit this may be a bit of balance coming from a Greek speaking Cypriot but it is up to you and your siblings to start building a new future if you like Episkopi make the move, claim what is yours. just liek your family made the move to Australia and then back to Cyprus, I would'nt expect your parents or grandparents they are the old generation but we the yunger generation can make a difference. I still maintain the church needs t come to the party. I hate the institution of the Church personally and I don't believe the church needs to have assests but that is my view.


Deniz thank you for your coments to VP the feelings of unsettlement is experienced by both people from both sides.

Well Humanist, its the truth and I expect some TCs will disagree. Whats new. I think most TCs are afraid to voice their opinions as they think they will seem 'unpatriotic'. They take everything lying down and get trampled by the zealots. That is not the way 'democracy' works. We even see it on the forum, here, any different opinion draws to it 'negative' attention.

Deniz you have differing opinions from some TCs, do you get trappled by TCs?, I think you are being a bit unfair because there are a few people who cliam they are TCs but not once have they argue in favor of anything pro TCs. Why?

VP, I am not a 'political' person. But one thing I am sure of is that no two persons can have identical opinions. I have only stated what some TCs have said to me regarding their fears of wanting to return to their homes. That is not anti TC. I am not. I have seen the corruption and have pointed it out. That does not make me anti TC. I am a TC whether you like it or not. For Gods sake 'allow' others to have different grades of opinions than yourself. As it happens I agree with at least half your views. Isnt that good enough for you. Your questioning attitude explains a lot why some TCs have those fears. In my youth I also have shouted 'Ya taksim, Ya olum'. Allow me to live in dignity and review my stance and make up my own mind without the 'inquisition', thank you. If it will make you feel better, I disagree with half of Kikapu' arguments. It doesnt mean I will jump down his throat and and be abusive. I respect all opinions, and suggest you do the same even if you disagree with them.

There are many TCs on this forum who are doing a good job defending and being actively pro-TC. As I have said up there, I am 'not political', what I can say is that I want a settlement which will safeguard the existence of the TCs on the island of Cyprus. If that 'settlement' is found good. I will go along with it. If not , I dont see any alternative to two separate entities. Whether it is 'Partition' or a sort of 'BBF' I will let the politicians decide.

Regards

[utu]

There are many TCs on this forum who are doing a good job defending and being actively pro-TC. As I have said up there, I am 'not political', what I can say is that I want a settlement which will safeguard the existence of the TCs on the island of Cyprus. If that 'settlement' is found good. I will go along with it. If not , I dont see any alternative to two separate entities. Whether it is 'Partition' or a sort of 'BBF' I will let the politicians decide.
Regards

The politicians have been trying to decide this problem for decades. What makes you think they're going to come up with a solution anythime soon?

[Viewpoint]

Fair enough UMIT, tottally fair enough 33 years is a long time. The university at Kapouti is an awsome place. I wish I hasd time to get out the car to walk through the grounds. That place is amazing from what I saw driving past a couple of months ago en route to Xeros. You know Umiit this may be a bit of balance coming from a Greek speaking Cypriot but it is up to you and your siblings to start building a new future if you like Episkopi make the move, claim what is yours. just liek your family made the move to Australia and then back to Cyprus, I would'nt expect your parents or grandparents they are the old generation but we the yunger generation can make a difference. I still maintain the church needs t come to the party. I hate the institution of the Church personally and I don't believe the church needs to have assests but that is my view.


Deniz thank you for your coments to VP the feelings of unsettlement is experienced by both people from both sides.

Well Humanist, its the truth and I expect some TCs will disagree. Whats new. I think most TCs are afraid to voice their opinions as they think they will seem 'unpatriotic'. They take everything lying down and get trampled by the zealots. That is not the way 'democracy' works. We even see it on the forum, here, any different opinion draws to it 'negative' attention.

Deniz you have differing opinions from some TCs, do you get trappled by TCs?, I think you are being a bit unfair because there are a few people who cliam they are TCs but not once have they argue in favor of anything pro TCs. Why?

there are a few people who cliam they are TCs but not once have they argue in favor of anything pro TCs. Why?

How can anyone argue anything in favour of pro "TRNC" if it involves violation of Human and Democratic Rights of all Cypriots. I have asked you to answer your own question, and you failed miserably with your answer, which you said
"freedom to move around the island", after pondering for a whole week to come up with an answer.

Yet again you twist and squirm, I was not pondering as you put it, your conveniently forget I was waiting for you to find some manners and respond to a question I had asked much earlier. Could please ask the same question of GCs regarding the 1963 to 1974 period? Were we not all Cypriots then? Your one sided attempt at running TCs/TRNC into the ground will not work, you spout lots of hot air but you say nothing of substance.

[Viewpoint]

Fair enough UMIT, tottally fair enough 33 years is a long time. The university at Kapouti is an awsome place. I wish I hasd time to get out the car to walk through the grounds. That place is amazing from what I saw driving past a couple of months ago en route to Xeros. You know Umiit this may be a bit of balance coming from a Greek speaking Cypriot but it is up to you and your siblings to start building a new future if you like Episkopi make the move, claim what is yours. just liek your family made the move to Australia and then back to Cyprus, I would'nt expect your parents or grandparents they are the old generation but we the yunger generation can make a difference. I still maintain the church needs t come to the party. I hate the institution of the Church personally and I don't believe the church needs to have assests but that is my view.


Deniz thank you for your coments to VP the feelings of unsettlement is experienced by both people from both sides.

Well Humanist, its the truth and I expect some TCs will disagree. Whats new. I think most TCs are afraid to voice their opinions as they think they will seem 'unpatriotic'. They take everything lying down and get trampled by the zealots. That is not the way 'democracy' works. We even see it on the forum, here, any different opinion draws to it 'negative' attention.

Deniz you have differing opinions from some TCs, do you get trappled by TCs?, I think you are being a bit unfair because there are a few people who cliam they are TCs but not once have they argue in favor of anything pro TCs. Why?

VP, I am not a 'political' person. But one thing I am sure of is that no two persons can have identical opinions. I have only stated what some TCs have said to me regarding their fears of wanting to return to their homes. That is not anti TC. I am not. I have seen the corruption and have pointed it out. That does not make me anti TC. I am a TC whether you like it or not. For Gods sake 'allow' others to have different grades of opinions than yourself. As it happens I agree with at least half your views. Isnt that good enough for you. Your questioning attitude explains a lot why some TCs have those fears. In my youth I also have shouted 'Ya taksim, Ya olum'. Allow me to live in dignity and review my stance and make up my own mind without the 'inquisition', thank you. If it will make you feel better, I disagree with half of Kikapu' arguments. It doesnt mean I will jump down his throat and and be abusive. I respect all opinions, and suggest you do the same even if you disagree with them.

There are many TCs on this forum who are doing a good job defending and being actively pro-TC. As I have said up there, I am 'not political', what I can say is that I want a settlement which will safeguard the existence of the TCs on the island of Cyprus. If that 'settlement' is found good. I will go along with it. If not , I dont see any alternative to two separate entities. Whether it is 'Partition' or a sort of 'BBF' I will let the politicians decide.

Regards

Deniz thanks for you post and if I have stated you are anti TC somewhere which I cant remember I apologise, your posts reveal you are concerned about your community and want whats best for them with which I agree 100%. The only thing is I do not value TCs who cannot see that they are causing more harm than good with their futile arguments about a community they know nothing about, all they have are 9 years of infant memories of how things were not how thy are today. A holiday to the sunny south does not make you an expert and you cannot pay much credence t someone who tells you how to live your life from his armchair 2000 miles away and will never return to the island.

[denizaksulu]

There are many TCs on this forum who are doing a good job defending and being actively pro-TC. As I have said up there, I am 'not political', what I can say is that I want a settlement which will safeguard the existence of the TCs on the island of Cyprus. If that 'settlement' is found good. I will go along with it. If not , I dont see any alternative to two separate entities. Whether it is 'Partition' or a sort of 'BBF' I will let the politicians decide.
Regards

The politicians have been trying to decide this problem for decades. What makes you think they're going to come up with a solution anythime soon?

You are right up to the point where the RoC has become a member of the EU. May be now, they will be more sincere in their deliberations. The present day politicians claim they are willing to sit and solve the problem or are they just 'pretending'?

[humanist]

Deniz politicians from both sides are pretending. However what is becoming more eveident to me is that Talat has taken a back seat and Turkey is now calling the shots about the sorts of solution, primarily partition. The sad thing about it and a lot of TC's on the forum do not see is that they are silenced by Turkey and blame the RoC for everything, a really sad attitutde for those people who want solution based on the UN resolutions of a BBF

[denizaksulu]

Fair enough UMIT, tottally fair enough 33 years is a long time. The university at Kapouti is an awsome place. I wish I hasd time to get out the car to walk through the grounds. That place is amazing from what I saw driving past a couple of months ago en route to Xeros. You know Umiit this may be a bit of balance coming from a Greek speaking Cypriot but it is up to you and your siblings to start building a new future if you like Episkopi make the move, claim what is yours. just liek your family made the move to Australia and then back to Cyprus, I would'nt expect your parents or grandparents they are the old generation but we the yunger generation can make a difference. I still maintain the church needs t come to the party. I hate the institution of the Church personally and I don't believe the church needs to have assests but that is my view.


Deniz thank you for your coments to VP the feelings of unsettlement is experienced by both people from both sides.

Well Humanist, its the truth and I expect some TCs will disagree. Whats new. I think most TCs are afraid to voice their opinions as they think they will seem 'unpatriotic'. They take everything lying down and get trampled by the zealots. That is not the way 'democracy' works. We even see it on the forum, here, any different opinion draws to it 'negative' attention.

Deniz you have differing opinions from some TCs, do you get trappled by TCs?, I think you are being a bit unfair because there are a few people who cliam they are TCs but not once have they argue in favor of anything pro TCs. Why?

VP, I am not a 'political' person. But one thing I am sure of is that no two persons can have identical opinions. I have only stated what some TCs have said to me regarding their fears of wanting to return to their homes. That is not anti TC. I am not. I have seen the corruption and have pointed it out. That does not make me anti TC. I am a TC whether you like it or not. For Gods sake 'allow' others to have different grades of opinions than yourself. As it happens I agree with at least half your views. Isnt that good enough for you. Your questioning attitude explains a lot why some TCs have those fears. In my youth I also have shouted 'Ya taksim, Ya olum'. Allow me to live in dignity and review my stance and make up my own mind without the 'inquisition', thank you. If it will make you feel better, I disagree with half of Kikapu' arguments. It doesnt mean I will jump down his throat and and be abusive. I respect all opinions, and suggest you do the same even if you disagree with them.

There are many TCs on this forum who are doing a good job defending and being actively pro-TC. As I have said up there, I am 'not political', what I can say is that I want a settlement which will safeguard the existence of the TCs on the island of Cyprus. If that 'settlement' is found good. I will go along with it. If not , I dont see any alternative to two separate entities. Whether it is 'Partition' or a sort of 'BBF' I will let the politicians decide.

Regards

Deniz thanks for you post and if I have stated you are anti TC somewhere which I cant remember I apologise, your posts reveal you are concerned about your community and want whats best for them with which I agree 100%. The only thing is I do not value TCs who cannot see that they are causing more harm than good with their futile arguments about a community they know nothing about, all they have are 9 years of infant memories of how things were not how thy are today. A holiday to the sunny south does not make you an expert and you cannot pay much credence t someone who tells you how to live your life from his armchair 2000 miles away and will never return to the island.

My apologies. Your response appeared after my post so I wrongly assumed it was an indirect response to myself. Ofcourse you are correct in general terms about a 9 year olds memory of events, but I always am of the opinion that looking at a problem from a distance will give an alternate view which is not affescted by 'local politics'. From afar sometimes a clearer picture and a different perspective is observed. They dont always get it right 100%, but the views will not be 'blinkered'. Sometimes it is possible to see what people 'close at hand' are unable to see. When you walk along a road, you do not look 6 inches in front of you, you are bound to fall over. When walking you look ahead. Thats the way I see it. There is nobody here who I agree with 100%, except on one point.. That is the rights and safeguards of the TC Community and a JUST solution. What we want is what will provide us these points. How we attain this is a different matter.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz politicians from both sides are pretending. However what is becoming more eveident to me is that Talat has taken a back seat and Turkey is now calling the shots about the sorts of solution, primarily partition. The sad thing about it and a lot of TC's on the forum do not see is that they are silenced by Turkey and blame the RoC for everything, a really sad attitutde for those people who want solution based on the UN resolutions of a BBF

Humanist, you are right. How to deal with Turkey is a serious issue. I dont think their interests are hand in hand with TC interests. TC politicians find themselves in this giant whirlpool and are unable to extricate themselves. I wish Turkey would come clean as to their real intentions, only then we will know where we stand for sure.

[Viewpoint]

Deniz you make look at the guy walking along th road from a distance but he actually smells and hears everything around him so when he crossing the street he has more than just sight available for him to make a healthier decision, but I agree with you that sometimes an impartial view but a bonafide impartial view not a view that oozes biased and one side options, this I or anyone with half a brain with accept.

Many posters do not want to understand or deal with what I put forward because it doesnt fit in with their mindset but I voice many of th TCs concerns, without addressing these concerns we will get nowhere.

I want GCs to get a fair deal with regards to their properties.

I want GCs to settle where they wish.

I want GCs to live in safety.

I want GCs to be treated as equal citizens.

But I do not want to be dominated, maybe thats why the 2 state solution is best, where we can a level playing field and every Cypriot can decide which state they wish to reside under equal terms.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz you make look at the guy walking along th road from a distance but he actually smells and hears everything around him so when he crossing the street he has more than just sight available for him to make a healthier decision, but I agree with you that sometimes an impartial view but a bonafide impartial view not a view that oozes biased and one side options, this I or anyone with half a brain with accept.

Many posters do not want to understand or deal with what I put forward because it doesnt fit in with their mindset but I voice many of th TCs concerns, without addressing these concerns we will get nowhere.

I want GCs to get a fair deal with regards to their properties.

I want GCs to settle where they wish.

I want GCs to live in safety.

I want GCs to be treated as equal citizens.

But I do not want to be dominated, maybe thats why the 2 state solution is best, where we can a level playing field and every Cypriot can decide which state they wish to reside under equal terms.

I agree with all the points beginning 'I want....', ofcourse the same applies to the TCs and you already know that. However I dont see the GCs to agreeing to any sort of split and the 'two sate' scenario will have its own problems. I cannot see a two state scenario giving GCs the points you mention above.