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Postby insan » Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:20 pm

Many Greeks, and several EU governments, want the internationally recognised Greek-controlled bit of the island brought into the Union, whatever the Turks and others may think. Otherwise, says the government in Athens, it will block the entry into the EU club of ten other countries, an incomparably more important event.



I already gave you the answer but you couldn't get it, I think. The "RoC's" EU membership is the only victory of Greece gained by abusing the veto power granted her by EU.
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Postby magikthrill » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:19 pm

insan wrote:
Many Greeks, and several EU governments, want the internationally recognised Greek-controlled bit of the island brought into the Union, whatever the Turks and others may think. Otherwise, says the government in Athens, it will block the entry into the EU club of ten other countries, an incomparably more important event.



I already gave you the answer but you couldn't get it, I think. The "RoC's" EU membership is the only victory of Greece gained by abusing the veto power granted her by EU.


i feel like we're going around in circles. i read the article and hence also read the bolded statement.

Cyprus is also threatening to use her veto power. and how is the EU reacting to this? by counter-threats. why? because the EU is more powerful than Cyprus (OBVIOUSLY!)

The RoC joined the EU because it was one of the only 2 countries (including Malta) that met all the criteria in terms of economy. Just becaue Greece threatened to use its veto power that doesn't mean the EU bends over to whatever Greece says. You have to be pitifully blinded to actually believe something like that!!!!
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Postby insan » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:24 pm

EU had the rigt to reject the membership of so-called RoC. However, there was an incompareably important event for EU. That's why EU was obliged to submit Greece's blackmails. Now there's one more incompareably important event for EU(except Christian Democrats, Greece and so called RoC) in relation with NATO and Middle East.. Guess what it is?
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Postby magikthrill » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:27 pm

:roll: I didn't understand your question :?:
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Postby insan » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:35 pm

magikthrill wrote::roll: I didn't understand your question :?:



Try a bit harder by focusing on EU-Turkey-US-Greece-Cyprus axis. You'll get it right, in the end.
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Postby magikthrill » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:44 pm

insan wrote:
magikthrill wrote::roll: I didn't understand your question :?:



Try a bit harder by focusing on EU-Turkey-US-Greece-Cyprus axis. You'll get it right, in the end.


I feel like I'm being examined here! SOrry but I fail. I can't think of an event that would allow the EU to succumb to Greece's blackmails. And if there was such an event why didn't Greece blackmail for other stuff too?! (help end the occupation or else!)
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sun Mar 27, 2005 11:30 pm

Insan wrote: the final outcome of Annan Plan has been approved by both EU and UN.


You mean what you hash co prtmers finalised for you?

How was it approved?
Did it past through the EU parliaments?
Was it voted at the UN General assembly?

It was aprroved only by you, and your individual partners.Exactly the same way they seemed to forgot about the Invasion and Occupation in their report.

United Nations=United Nothings
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Postby -mikkie2- » Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:43 am

Insan,

The plan was not approved by anyone. The plan was not passed by the UN General Assembly as MicAtCyp has rightly pointed out and it has not passed any EU legal or constitutional bodies.

So, what is the satus of this plan? The plan says itself that in the event that it is not passed in the seperate referenda then the plan is NULL AND VOID.

Any 'support' this plan may have is a verbal one which means absolutely nothing. Of course, we would have seen how much agreement there would have been in the EU about the plan when each country, one by one, would probably not ratify it, with the exception of the British and one or two other countries.
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Postby Saint Jimmy » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:54 am

magikthrill wrote:I can't think of an event that would allow the EU to succumb to Greece's blackmails.

Lord David Hannay mentions three things in his book, in relation to this issue.
One, that the Imia crisis in early 1996 caused Greece to block EU disbursements to Turkey in retaliation (he clarifies that this didn't have a direct impact on the Cyprus problem, but it goes to show that the term 'blackmail' may not be inaccurate).
Two, that Denktash and Turkey's stance on the Cyprus problem in the mid-90s caused the EU to come to a decision that GCs could/should not be held hostage, in regard to EU candidacy - therefore, there should be no doubt as to the possibility of a divided island acceding.
Three, that, pre-97, 'Greece was blackmailing her EU partners with the threat that they would block the whole enlargement negotiation if Cyprus was excluded from the first group'.
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Postby magikthrill » Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:11 am

Saint Jimmy wrote:Three, that, pre-97, 'Greece was blackmailing her EU partners with the threat that they would block the whole enlargement negotiation if Cyprus was excluded from the first group'.


Yes thats when he had a PM with balls. Still though I accept and understand this. However, how can the EU succumb to Greece? This is what I don't undertand.
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