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Postby T_C » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:12 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Quite true dear Kikapu.

It actually started from reading Birkibrisli's excellent narrative about Cyprus history in the other topic titled "once upon a time" I had to give up reading when at about page 21 I realized there is so much negative contribution with tons of hate from Eric Dayi calling everybody a liar, and then orchestrated attack on you and Birkibrisli by some people. Sometimes I admire Birkibisl's patience and empathy to everyone. I said to myself "what is this, do I have to read all this, do those people have nothing better to say?" At some point there was a call from Birkibrisli for each one to tell the wrongdoings of his own side, I had a few pages more to read and then honestly tell my own opinion but I lost patience. (I will do it for sure anyway). Then I start reading this topic the same thing here.

Kikapu I honestly try to avoid supporting you because for some people a GC supporting a TC and vice versa brands the person as some sort of a "traitor". If you think I am causing more harm to you than what they already do to you, please tell me here in front of everybody and I will stop telling a single word from now on.

It will bother me of course seeing this mistreatment booming all the time but in this island the rule always was that the true CYPRIOTS carry their cross alone. Who am I to brake the rules?


No it's fine Pyro, you can support him all you want, thats not the issue here, it's Kikapus attitude towards TCs compared to his attitude with GCs...even with BK whos views are almost identical to Kikapu it's different...Kikapu seems veeeeery distant to me....
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:09 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:I think I found the answer from your own words dear Kikapu. :idea: Yes you have a personal freedom that I will respect from now on. I will not jump in again unless something really dramatic happens. I hope the rest of the people in here respect this personal FREEDOM from now on. :!:


YEAH KIKAPU! I hope you RESPECT peoples personal FREEDOM to express their opinions from now on!!! :P :P :P :P

Thanks for that Pyro. :D

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T_C,

And who has stopped you or others from expressing their views.??

What I do T_C is challenge those views in how and what is written and do nor take it laying down, just like that post you made at the top of this thread. What you want me to do, is not to challenge anything or anyone.

The bottom line is T_C, you do not want me to challenge any TC's, no matter how much propaganda is dished out. You said, that it is not what I say is not the truth, but because I'm biased. So you would like for me to tell a lie and be biased, is that it.?? As you may have noticed, I do not copy paste crap all the time like Zan and Halil, so between the two of them, there are plenty of crap to challenge. When discussions are on going, a lot of things are said at the spur of the moment, which may come across "heavy" to accept. But if you really want to judge me whether I'm biased or not, all you have to do is read some of the things I have posted that I have put together in my own time that was not responding to anyone's post. The two posts that tell a lot about where I am regarding being biased or not, is for you to read these two opening posts in these thread, then come and tell me I'm biased.

I DARE YOU TO READ THEM.

1. "Kofi Kikapu's peace solution for Cyprus"....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12055

2. "Papadopoulous and Talat Comedy Act......"The Report"

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13198

And by the way T_C, I never said anything about a "Pig Farm" for describing the "TRNC". You can at least quote me correctly if you need to. I think Pyro already gave you a little lesson in what the "Animal Farm" was all about, hence the "Pigs in the Animal Farm".

You seem to think I'm telling the truth in my posts, and for that I thank you, but the fact I go after the Partitionist because of their views should not surprise you that I go after them, because I'm for peace in Cyprus and for them, well, who knows. They think they can have their cake and eat it too. They seem to think their are no cost or compromise to be made as long as the 40,000 Turkish Troops are there. Nothing lasts for ever T_C, but the Partitionists thinks, if they can just prolong the division, the next generation will not have known there was ever a division, and everyone will be settled in their parts of Cyprus no questions asked. Finders keepers king of an attitude.

I had many fights with past with Sotos, Piratis, Kifeas, Pyro and more. Just go and read my first 6 months on the forum. What turned me was the arrogance of the Partitionist, that violating others Human and Democratic Rights was no big deal and often with a "smirk on their faces". As a Human being, this goes against all my principles, so I challenge those who likes to propagandise, and the fact that at the moment these violations are taking place in the "TRNC", is where my attentions are. I have already described the criminal GC's from the past in the 60's and what has happened to us, but I have moved from the past where as the Partitionist are stuck there, just to justify today's injustices. You don't see me picking on every TC do you? Of course you don't, because I do not pick on TC's, I pick on what they write or post.

You claim I do not say anything when the GC's say "bad" things. First of all, I understand what goes on with the TC's more that the GC's. Thanks to Bananiot, he goes after those from his people. I don't hear you calling him being biased because he does not pick on the TC's. Piratis and Kifeas are all for getting the Cyprus problem solved in a True Democratic way, so what do you want me to say to them, "No, we do not want a True Democracy in Cyprus, we want some undemocratic kind of a solution." We already had an undemocratic solution in Cyprus once before, called the 1960 Constitution. Look where that got us. The next undemocratic solution came in the form of the Annan Plan, which was written by the same "people" who wrote the 1960 Constitution. These are the "enemies" of Cyprus my friend. So T_C, I argue every point that I see as a Propaganda, and as long as I'm telling the truth, I don't really care if it comes across as being biased or one sided. That is not my purpose, to be the "pleaser" of those who need reassurances about their communities. I could lie like some others if you want me to T_C, but how can you respect anyone who lies to you T_C. I'm not here to please anyone, but dissect what some members post and respond to them truthfully. You are either going to accept that or not. I have done my job by telling the truth, but I'm sorry to say, I cannot do yours, to accept it or not. You too have the FREEDOM to choose in what you want to believe or not to believe.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:54 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Quite true dear Kikapu.

It actually started from reading Birkibrisli's excellent narrative about Cyprus history in the other topic titled "once upon a time" I had to give up reading when at about page 21 I realized there is so much negative contribution with tons of hate from Eric Dayi calling everybody a liar, and then orchestrated attack on you and Birkibrisli by some people. Sometimes I admire Birkibisl's patience and empathy to everyone. I said to myself "what is this, do I have to read all this, do those people have nothing better to say?" At some point there was a call from Birkibrisli for each one to tell the wrongdoings of his own side, I had a few pages more to read and then honestly tell my own opinion but I lost patience. (I will do it for sure anyway). Then I start reading this topic the same thing here.

Kikapu I honestly try to avoid supporting you because for some people a GC supporting a TC and vice versa brands the person as some sort of a "traitor". If you think I am causing more harm to you than what they already do to you, please tell me here in front of everybody and I will stop telling a single word from now on.

It will bother me of course seeing this mistreatment booming all the time but in this island the rule always was that the true CYPRIOTS carry their cross alone. Who am I to brake the rules?


No it's fine Pyro, you can support him all you want, thats not the issue here, it's Kikapus attitude towards TCs compared to his attitude with GCs...even with BK whos views are almost identical to Kikapu it's different...Kikapu seems veeeeery distant to me....


T_C why don't you tell us what is right about the "trnc" today and what should any person who can call himelf a CYPRIOT can defend about it. I have never seen you saying anything against VP's sentimental bombs when every now and then she throws us her VIVA la TRNC. Is this how you translate your sticking with the TCs and fighting against the GCs?

Is this how the whole deal should go?
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:05 pm

Btw T_C here's something I wanted to tell you a long time: You PROMISED that you would write down your diary and your impressions of Cyprus after you finished your stay here.Kikapu wrote it. Humanist wrote it. BK wrote it. Everybody did, and you know it was important for us to read it and understand where we stand today as Cypriots compared with the 60s. It is more important for the diaspora CYPRIOTS to learn directly from you. You are the only one who spent most of your time in the northern part. I always knew you were an honest person and I waited your story with open ears to learn from you.
In short you were telling us later, later, later and in the end you wrote nothing. Actually you broke your promise!!

The question is WHY? What is it you want to hide? Is this how you translate the "stick with your own side, never say anything that might cause harm"? Well, if yes then look at where that "stick with our cause" brought us today.
Is there any "cause" we should know about it today T-C???
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:18 pm

Kikapu wrote:I had many fights with past with Sotos, Piratis, Kifeas, Pyro and more.


I can confirm that. The question is who yielded? I yielded when i realized this TC is above the usual crap.
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Postby T_C » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:21 pm

:lol: No no no we don't need reassurances Kikapu, you shouldn't try and twist it like that....it's not about needing reassurances but it's just a FACT that I've never witnessed you say anything even when people are racist but you've called TCs on the forum racist how many times now?!?!?!? I'm merely pointing out and giving examples of why I think you're biased, but again with your "they just don't like what I'm saying" attitude you're convincing yourself that I said what I did because I was seeking your "reassurance". See what I mean even the way you think about us, you think you have us all worked out...and what you think about us kinda reflects in the things you say...and it's a typical GC view...but anyways I can't really write now cos I have friends over and I'm being kinda unsociable. I'm going to respond to each part of your message tomorrow.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:27 pm

I would like to comment a bit on Bananiot. Some of the things he says are undeniable truths and can be backed up with evidence. They hurt alright but what can anyone say? If you have the truth with evidence the best thing to do is always tell. IT's ALWAYS GOOD.
What makes Bananiot vulnerable imo is his constant anti-Papadopoulos campaign with no real evidence, and his absolute pro Anan Plan stance. This coincides with most TCs opinion and that's why all except Eric Dayi like him.
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:44 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:I had many fights with past with Sotos, Piratis, Kifeas, Pyro and more.


I can confirm that. The question is who yielded? I yielded when i realized this TC is above the usual crap.


I think is was a DRAW Pyro. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:50 pm

Kikapu to make a long story short they want you to do this:

a)start supporting the general TC 'cause" for either partition or something like the Anan plan. OK you said you can't do either so let's go to
b)Say more about the 60s, show your resentment based on the "you killed us-you isolated us-you ethnically cleansed us" line. You must show this resentment, every "normal" TC does. If he doesn't know he asks his mum, and learns all about it.
c)Start attacking people like Piratis who have those funny ideas about one man one vote that will obviously diminish the TC community from the status of equal partner to the status of a minority with guaranteed EU rights.
d)Start attacking people who are obviously Turk haters like Paliometaxo who always says "fuck you Turk". Lots of Turk haters in here you make your pick. That's the easiest part of all.
e)start behaving like a TC who has hidden hate against everything Greek, and when you see Eric dayi spreading his hate tell him "may god bless your divine struggle". Send him a pack of emails encouraging and congratulating him like so many others did.
f)Generally you must do something to give them evidence you are against the GCs at least to some degree.

This is what they want from you my friend. In plain and square language.They are just too chicky to say it clearly.

What if you have spent all your life abroad to foreign countries like a foreigner and those feelings don't exist for you. You HAVE TO develop them otherwise as VP says "you are doing more harm than good".

Btw this is more the truth of how I see things than a sarcastic one
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:56 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:I had many fights with past with Sotos, Piratis, Kifeas, Pyro and more.


I can confirm that. The question is who yielded? I yielded when i realized this TC is above the usual crap.


I think is was a DRAW Pyro. :lol: :lol:


Ahh you are too generous. I felt I have to pull back Kikapu, honestly. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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