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Does CY want to solve the stray / feral cat problem?

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Postby GorillaGal » Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:12 pm

WebSpace wrote:I agree with Nikitas.

These cats should not be released after sterilisation. It will not solve the problem but would rather create more issues.

Also, GG, you don't have to wait until you are married and/or move to Cyprus to help fix this issue. If this is something you really wish to do, you could get the ball rolling now by creating a proposal on the project and contacting the proper Authorities and the Media.

This could become your 'ticket' to Cyprus (if you get some Sponsors to back you up) and your achievement might even impress your Lanarca guy this way!! :)


webspace and nikitas--please tell me what is so bad about fixing and releasing? what would you reccommend? obviously the cats do help with the rodent/snake problems, and fixing and releasing themwill not interfere drastically with that. as webbo points out, a cat (or dog) in heat can cause quiet a rukus. the males will fight amongst themselves for the bitch's favors. this can cause the spread of more sick cats and diseases. but take away thier sex drive by fixing them, and the likelyhood is less that disease will spread.
some of the disesaes metnioned in this thread are things i have not heard of. i do not believe them to be a problem in the USA, however, we do have a rabies problem that you do not have.
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:19 pm

GG,

Look up leishman (lesimaniasis) on the web and see what it does to dogs and then you will appreciate my concerns as a dog owner.I do not want my dog to get it. It is carried by sick dogs and passed on to other dogs and humans via gnat bites.

Look up erlichiosis.

Look up hydatid cysts, the symptoms and progression of the disease is similar to cancer. The cycle needs the dog to get to humans. If you can value stray life so much that you are prepared to tolerated this disease then there is no point in talking.

You cannot vaccinate against these diseases, they are protozoic andn ot bacterial or viral.

Refer to my original post, THE WELL FED HOUSE CATS OF BRITAIN KILL OVER ONE HUNDRED MILLION SMALL MAMMALS AND BIRDS in the UK. This was the conclusion of Oxford Univeristy biologists and reported in a US docimentary made by National Geographic. Rare birds are more valuable and more needed from the point of view of biodiversity than neutered stray cats.

Good intentions alone do not save nature.

The solution is a roundup and eradication of surplus animals. Then lcome the icensing of owners and keepers and above all BREEDERS of pets. Owning an animal is a big responsibility and we cannot let people get away with irresponsible behavior.
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Postby webbo » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:01 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:Interesting…

Here all English owners are forced to licence their dogs…

The Cypriot dogs that live in tin sheds at the end of fields, often without regular food and water, are of course licensed, registered and chipped too…


We had to register our dog down at the Government vet next to the new port in Limassol. Think this was CYP 5 though Webbo seems to think that it was CYP15. That was the easy bit, we then had to find the correct office to go for her licence!! If you live in a village I think you just go to the Mukta's office to do this, but please feel free to correct me. I had the pleasure of trekking around Limassol's finest government offices until I found the correct one, and it was only by sheer chance that a shop owner was outside his shop having a fag and he kindly directed me to the right entrance!! Seems he had done so before!

Once inside this smoke ridden building, I waited in line to hand over copies of the registration, get more paper work and handed over approximately CYP 12. You have to admit a nominal fee for our pets. I have to admit that there were a few Cypriot's in line, though most people were 'foreigners' I do know of a few Brits and other ex-pats who refuse to pay anything by saying 'When the Cypriots pay for their dogs, I will pay for mine'. Two wrongs do not make a right in my book, but I cannot make these people see it that way!!

The government send you a reminder every year to renew your licence,. Believe they can only send you it once you have registered. So how will they know you own a dog, unless of course someone rats on you!!!

There are too many hunting dogs abandoned in these tin sheds which are no bigger than a small toilet. It is a disgrace but having complained to the authorities in the past, I have found my complaints falling upon 'deaf ears' Now that is a surprise!!! :x :x


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Postby GorillaGal » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:47 am

Nikitas wrote:GG,

Look up leishman (lesimaniasis) on the web and see what it does to dogs and then you will appreciate my concerns as a dog owner.I do not want my dog to get it. It is carried by sick dogs and passed on to other dogs and humans via gnat bites.

Look up erlichiosis.

Look up hydatid cysts, the symptoms and progression of the disease is similar to cancer. The cycle needs the dog to get to humans. If you can value stray life so much that you are prepared to tolerated this disease then there is no point in talking.

You cannot vaccinate against these diseases, they are protozoic andn ot bacterial or viral.

Refer to my original post, THE WELL FED HOUSE CATS OF BRITAIN KILL OVER ONE HUNDRED MILLION SMALL MAMMALS AND BIRDS in the UK. This was the conclusion of Oxford Univeristy biologists and reported in a US docimentary made by National Geographic. Rare birds are more valuable and more needed from the point of view of biodiversity than neutered stray cats.

Good intentions alone do not save nature.

The solution is a roundup and eradication of surplus animals. Then lcome the icensing of owners and keepers and above all BREEDERS of pets. Owning an animal is a big responsibility and we cannot let people get away with irresponsible behavior.


two of the three diseases you spoke of in this entry do not pose a problem in the USA, which explains why i never heard of them. the thrid one, cause by the tick, is overshadowd by Lymes Disease, wich is also caused my a tick, and is mroe prevelant here.
regardless, killing off the strays is not going to eradicate the disease you listed here. and killing off strays just becuase they might get sick is absurd. it's as stupid as those women who go for double mastectomies just because breast cancer runs in the family.
i have a cat diagnosed with FIP, which can mutate into a deadly form and spread to others. when the cat was first diagnosed, my vet suggested euthenising him. i am so glad i never did that. he is symptom free, and althought i know my other cats will all test positive for FIP, no one has gotten sick and died from it.
ditto with feline HIV. cats they used to euthenise before just because they tested positive are not being put down anymore, and can go on to lead long and normal lives, and not infect other cats. in fact, by getting the cats fixed and re-releasing them is one of the better things you could do. see my prior point about cats not fighting as much, and spreading desease thru bites and scratches, once they are fixed.
if i understand what you are trying to say Nikitas, it sounds more like nazi germany, and lets just kill off all the people that are different.....;.
the most humane method is to fix and release, the population will decrease, yoru precious birds will repopulate, the rodents and snakes will still be taken care of by the strays.
i do totally agree with your final points of licensing all pets, and regulating breeders. pet ownership IS indeed a responsability.
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