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[Piratis]

Every part of Cyprus is the homeland of 5+ times more Greek Cypriots than TCs. So which is your own separate part of Cyprus?

Do not confuse what you illegally and criminally keep with what is really yours.

Greek and Turkish Cypriots are not countries. They are communities of the same country. You have every right not to like us, but you have no right to steal our land and declare a separate "Turkish" country on land which is the homeland of 5+ times more Greek Cypriots than Turkish Cypriots.

So stop thinking that you can have a separate country in Cyprus with which you can enter into an association of countries kind of agreement. You are a community/minority within a country, and what you can get is every right every other Cypriot citizen gets + some minority rights, just as it happens in every other EU country.

[Eric dayi]

A country with a constitution that every citizen has the same rights as every other, freedom to define himself whatever he likes, freedom to believe in any god he wants, and freedom to move around in his country without barriers and freedom to elect any government it wants.

Isn't that the definition of a democratic state? Don't you support democracy?

You have been given your answer as in the EU......How many threads do you want on this issue

AIMILIOS I agree 100% with what you say. But don't expect the partitionists to agree with you. These are the people who have been working since the 50s to steal our land and violate our rights.

Sure Zan, like in every other EU country. Do you know any EU country that the population is divided along ethnic lines and where the population was separated with ethnic cleansing?

What happens in every EU country is what Aimilios supports for Cyprus. In fact the newest EU member Bulgaria has a situation very similar to us with a relatively large Turkish minority that was created there during the Ottoman rule. So the system they have in Bulgaria could be a good model for Cyprus.

Piratis,

don't even waste your breath, they want what is theirs and they also want what is ours. As for Bulgaria, Turkeys answer to that is to invade it and claim have of that too.

Democracy in turkey, ha ha give me a break.

If you ask them about the Kurds rights, you never get a straight answer, so here it is again in case you didn't understand it the first time Zan, Eric, VP et al,

Would you agree to grant the Kurds (just sticking with kurds for now, although there are others) in turkey, the same rights as you are seeking in cyprus??

I am willing to bet I won't even get a straight reply, it will be a mumbo jumbo of, well you tried enosis or breaking 1960 agreements crap like normal.

Just answer the question, would you??????

You Greeks/GCs keep asking the same question and will always get the same answer, do you know how many Kurdish Presidents Turkey had and how many Kurds are in the parliament or are politicians?

Look pal, we know that you don't give a damn about the Kurds in Turkey, or anyone else for that matter, you are just trying to use them a pawns against us TCs and Turks so just cut the crap.

And yes, you did try ENOSIS and attempted to genocide us TCs and did and are still breaking the 1960 agreement by claiming that you are the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus but have you asked yourself why you lost the international communities support and why NO ONE is even trying to force us TCs to surrender to your demands? Go on pal, ask yourself that question and tell me what answer you come up with.

Look pal, you are not going to get your ENOSIS or even a GC only ruled "RoC", you know you are not, we know you are not and the whole world knows you are not so why not stop your crocodile tears and just get on with your lives on your side of the divide eh?

[pantheman]

A country with a constitution that every citizen has the same rights as every other, freedom to define himself whatever he likes, freedom to believe in any god he wants, and freedom to move around in his country without barriers and freedom to elect any government it wants.

Isn't that the definition of a democratic state? Don't you support democracy?

You have been given your answer as in the EU......How many threads do you want on this issue

AIMILIOS I agree 100% with what you say. But don't expect the partitionists to agree with you. These are the people who have been working since the 50s to steal our land and violate our rights.

Sure Zan, like in every other EU country. Do you know any EU country that the population is divided along ethnic lines and where the population was separated with ethnic cleansing?

What happens in every EU country is what Aimilios supports for Cyprus. In fact the newest EU member Bulgaria has a situation very similar to us with a relatively large Turkish minority that was created there during the Ottoman rule. So the system they have in Bulgaria could be a good model for Cyprus.

Piratis,

don't even waste your breath, they want what is theirs and they also want what is ours. As for Bulgaria, Turkeys answer to that is to invade it and claim have of that too.

Democracy in turkey, ha ha give me a break.

If you ask them about the Kurds rights, you never get a straight answer, so here it is again in case you didn't understand it the first time Zan, Eric, VP et al,

Would you agree to grant the Kurds (just sticking with kurds for now, although there are others) in turkey, the same rights as you are seeking in cyprus??

I am willing to bet I won't even get a straight reply, it will be a mumbo jumbo of, well you tried enosis or breaking 1960 agreements crap like normal.

Just answer the question, would you??????

You Greeks/GCs keep asking the same question and will always get the same answer, do you know how many Kurdish Presidents Turkey had and how many Kurds are in the parliament or are politicians?

Look pal, we know that you don't give a damn about the Kurds in Turkey, or anyone else for that matter, you are just trying to use them a pawns against us TCs and Turks so just cut the crap.

And yes, you did try ENOSIS and attempted to genocide us TCs and did and are still breaking the 1960 agreement by claiming that you are the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus but have you asked yourself why you lost the international communities support and why NO ONE is even trying to force us TCs to surrender to your demands? Go on pal, ask yourself that question and tell me what answer you come up with.

Look pal, you are not going to get your ENOSIS or even a GC only ruled "RoC", you know you are not, we know you are not and the whole world knows you are not so why not stop your crocodile tears and just get on with your lives on your side of the divide eh?

There you go again, I guess I won my bet, no straight answer just some rubbish about ENOSIS again, yawnnnnnnn! Get boringggggg

The RoC hasn't lost any international support thats just you propogating it to make yourselves feel better, dream on buddy.

The ONLY real reason no one has forced you to do the deal is because you little bitches the US and the UK want it that way. FYI, mate, we are both pawns in this. These arguments are a testament to what the larger powers are trying to achieve just like they did in the 60's. The reason being is they would never be able to use cyprus if we ever got together so they create these climates to keep us apart so they can FUCK us both mate.

Now just answer the question please. Would agree to afford the Kurds their own state within turkey as you want to achieve in Cyprus. Its simple really.

No croc tears here pal, real ones yes, but you wouldn't understand.

[Kikapu]

I'll tell you what...You give up your minority rights in the EU, by which I mean as a minority nation, and I will agree to what ever you want. Are you an equal partner in the EU or not. Do you have a veto or not. One nation one vote. How about it....It will mean that you cannot veto Turkey like Greece was prepared to do.....10 million people holding hundreds of millions to ransom.......If that is fair then so are we as a major community in Cyprus. A point that you and the Alimo will not even address.

Zan,

Very good effort in trying to make some political score with your explanation. So here are the arguments against it.

The EU is a "PRIVATE CLUB" and only accepted members are allowed to come in. Members of any private club can set up their rules any which way they wish to do so. Same goes to Private Golf Courses, where they can deny entry to anyone they wish to, be it be a Black person, a woman, a poor person, or even Bill Gates, because he is richer than all of them, so they are jelous and will not let him join the club, so you are not going to get anywhere by making comparison to a "Private EU Club" to a Country....sorry.

Talking about Democracy however, just look and what happens when True Democracy is practiced. In the USA where True democracy is practices after couple of hundred years of working at it to perfect it, all the way from having Blacks as slaves, to denying any civil rights to them, to being able to vote along with women, to correcting mistakes of the past in a slow but sure way to erase the countries ugly past, to today, where the next President of the USA may well be a Black Man, a White Woman, or as usual, a White Man. Just imagine, a Black Man, who's ancestors may have been slaves either in America or Africa and is a minority with no more than 10% of the USA's population, may be heading towards becoming the leader of the "Free World". Without True Democracy, this would never have been possible, so TC and Zan and VP, pay attention to what a True Democracy can mean to TC's, despite being a minority, does not mean we would have any less rights than the majority. Individual Rights are for all citizens and not only for the majority. This is what I want for our country of Cyprus, a True Democracy with True Federation. Equal Power sharing can never work. It is like having two drivers at the wheel of a car. All you end up having, is a lot of "accidents". 1960 Constitution can attest to that.

[Eric dayi]

A country with a constitution that every citizen has the same rights as every other, freedom to define himself whatever he likes, freedom to believe in any god he wants, and freedom to move around in his country without barriers and freedom to elect any government it wants.

Isn't that the definition of a democratic state? Don't you support democracy?

You have been given your answer as in the EU......How many threads do you want on this issue

AIMILIOS I agree 100% with what you say. But don't expect the partitionists to agree with you. These are the people who have been working since the 50s to steal our land and violate our rights.

Sure Zan, like in every other EU country. Do you know any EU country that the population is divided along ethnic lines and where the population was separated with ethnic cleansing?

What happens in every EU country is what Aimilios supports for Cyprus. In fact the newest EU member Bulgaria has a situation very similar to us with a relatively large Turkish minority that was created there during the Ottoman rule. So the system they have in Bulgaria could be a good model for Cyprus.

Piratis,

don't even waste your breath, they want what is theirs and they also want what is ours. As for Bulgaria, Turkeys answer to that is to invade it and claim have of that too.

Democracy in turkey, ha ha give me a break.

If you ask them about the Kurds rights, you never get a straight answer, so here it is again in case you didn't understand it the first time Zan, Eric, VP et al,

Would you agree to grant the Kurds (just sticking with kurds for now, although there are others) in turkey, the same rights as you are seeking in cyprus??

I am willing to bet I won't even get a straight reply, it will be a mumbo jumbo of, well you tried enosis or breaking 1960 agreements crap like normal.

Just answer the question, would you??????

You Greeks/GCs keep asking the same question and will always get the same answer, do you know how many Kurdish Presidents Turkey had and how many Kurds are in the parliament or are politicians?

Look pal, we know that you don't give a damn about the Kurds in Turkey, or anyone else for that matter, you are just trying to use them a pawns against us TCs and Turks so just cut the crap.

And yes, you did try ENOSIS and attempted to genocide us TCs and did and are still breaking the 1960 agreement by claiming that you are the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus but have you asked yourself why you lost the international communities support and why NO ONE is even trying to force us TCs to surrender to your demands? Go on pal, ask yourself that question and tell me what answer you come up with.

Look pal, you are not going to get your ENOSIS or even a GC only ruled "RoC", you know you are not, we know you are not and the whole world knows you are not so why not stop your crocodile tears and just get on with your lives on your side of the divide eh?

There you go again, I guess I won my bet, no straight answer just some rubbish about ENOSIS again, yawnnnnnnn! Get boringggggg

The RoC hasn't lost any international support thats just you propogating it to make yourselves feel better, dream on buddy.

The ONLY real reason no one has forced you to do the deal is because you little bitches the US and the UK want it that way. FYI, mate, we are both pawns in this. These arguments are a testament to what the larger powers are trying to achieve just like they did in the 60's. The reason being is they would never be able to use cyprus if we ever got together so they create these climates to keep us apart so they can FUCK us both mate.

You Greeks are all the same, just blame everyone else but yourselves for what happened to you. Tell me, who forced you to go for ENOSIS and attempt to genocide us TCs for your dream? If there were anyone why were you stupid enough to believe them? Why didn't you see what their real intentions were and refuse to genocide your countrymen? Are you that naive?

Now just answer the question please. Would agree to afford the Kurds their own state within turkey as you want to achieve in Cyprus. Its simple really.

No croc tears here pal, real ones yes, but you wouldn't understand.

I have answered your question you fool, if you do not understand it don't blame anyone else, blame yourself.

[Eric dayi]

I'll tell you what...You give up your minority rights in the EU, by which I mean as a minority nation, and I will agree to what ever you want. Are you an equal partner in the EU or not. Do you have a veto or not. One nation one vote. How about it....It will mean that you cannot veto Turkey like Greece was prepared to do.....10 million people holding hundreds of millions to ransom.......If that is fair then so are we as a major community in Cyprus. A point that you and the Alimo will not even address.

Zan,

Very good effort in trying to make some political score with your explanation. So here are the arguments against it.

The EU is a "PRIVATE CLUB" and only accepted members are allowed to come in. Members of any private club can set up their rules any which way they wish to do so. Same goes to Private Golf Courses, where they can deny entry to anyone they wish to, be it be a Black person, a woman, a poor person, or even Bill Gates, because he is richer than all of them, so they are jelous and will not let him join the club, so you are not going to get anywhere by making comparison to a "Private EU Club" to a Country....sorry.

Talking about Democracy however, just look and what happens when True Democracy is practiced. In the USA where True democracy is practices after couple of hundred years of working at it to perfect it, all the way from having Blacks as slaves, to denying any civil rights to them, to being able to vote along with women, to correcting mistakes of the past in a slow but sure way to erase the countries ugly past, to today, where the next President of the USA may well be a Black Man, a White Woman, or as usual, a White Man. Just imagine, a Black Man, who's ancestors may have been slaves either in America or Africa and is a minority with no more than 10% of the USA's population, may be heading towards becoming the leader of the "Free World". Without True Democracy, this would never have been possible, so TC and Zan and VP, pay attention to what a True Democracy can mean to TC's, despite being a minority, does not mean we would have any less rights than the majority. Individual Rights are for all citizens and not only for the majority. This is what I want for our country of Cyprus, a True Democracy with True Federation. Equal Power sharing can never work. It is like having two drivers at the wheel of a car. All you end up having, is a lot of "accidents". 1960 Constitution can attest to that.

Then you should have a chat with Epsilon and GCs like him you moron and see what they have in store for us TCs.

There's nothing stopping you or that other moron Birkibrisli from moving to the South and living in the "Greek style democracy" you so much love and trust, so why don't you? Are you as shit scared as Bir?

[Kikapu]

I'll tell you what...You give up your minority rights in the EU, by which I mean as a minority nation, and I will agree to what ever you want. Are you an equal partner in the EU or not. Do you have a veto or not. One nation one vote. How about it....It will mean that you cannot veto Turkey like Greece was prepared to do.....10 million people holding hundreds of millions to ransom.......If that is fair then so are we as a major community in Cyprus. A point that you and the Alimo will not even address.

Zan,

Very good effort in trying to make some political score with your explanation. So here are the arguments against it.

The EU is a "PRIVATE CLUB" and only accepted members are allowed to come in. Members of any private club can set up their rules any which way they wish to do so. Same goes to Private Golf Courses, where they can deny entry to anyone they wish to, be it be a Black person, a woman, a poor person, or even Bill Gates, because he is richer than all of them, so they are jelous and will not let him join the club, so you are not going to get anywhere by making comparison to a "Private EU Club" to a Country....sorry.

Talking about Democracy however, just look and what happens when True Democracy is practiced. In the USA where True democracy is practices after couple of hundred years of working at it to perfect it, all the way from having Blacks as slaves, to denying any civil rights to them, to being able to vote along with women, to correcting mistakes of the past in a slow but sure way to erase the countries ugly past, to today, where the next President of the USA may well be a Black Man, a White Woman, or as usual, a White Man. Just imagine, a Black Man, who's ancestors may have been slaves either in America or Africa and is a minority with no more than 10% of the USA's population, may be heading towards becoming the leader of the "Free World". Without True Democracy, this would never have been possible, so TC and Zan and VP, pay attention to what a True Democracy can mean to TC's, despite being a minority, does not mean we would have any less rights than the majority. Individual Rights are for all citizens and not only for the majority. This is what I want for our country of Cyprus, a True Democracy with True Federation. Equal Power sharing can never work. It is like having two drivers at the wheel of a car. All you end up having, is a lot of "accidents". 1960 Constitution can attest to that.

Then you should have a chat with Epsilon and GCs like him you moron and see what they have in store for us TCs.

There's nothing stopping you or that other moron Birkibrisli from moving to the South and living in the "Greek style democracy" you so much love and trust, so why don't you? Are you as shit scared as Bir?

Hiyar Dayi,

Don't you have "Anonymous Wife Beaters Night" to go to tonight or are you just going to hang around here and
"beat yourself" all night.??

[zan]

I'll tell you what...You give up your minority rights in the EU, by which I mean as a minority nation, and I will agree to what ever you want. Are you an equal partner in the EU or not. Do you have a veto or not. One nation one vote. How about it....It will mean that you cannot veto Turkey like Greece was prepared to do.....10 million people holding hundreds of millions to ransom.......If that is fair then so are we as a major community in Cyprus. A point that you and the Alimo will not even address.

Zan,

Very good effort in trying to make some political score with your explanation. So here are the arguments against it.

The EU is a "PRIVATE CLUB" and only accepted members are allowed to come in. Members of any private club can set up their rules any which way they wish to do so. Same goes to Private Golf Courses, where they can deny entry to anyone they wish to, be it be a Black person, a woman, a poor person, or even Bill Gates, because he is richer than all of them, so they are jelous and will not let him join the club, so you are not going to get anywhere by making comparison to a "Private EU Club" to a Country....sorry.

Talking about Democracy however, just look and what happens when True Democracy is practiced. In the USA where True democracy is practices after couple of hundred years of working at it to perfect it, all the way from having Blacks as slaves, to denying any civil rights to them, to being able to vote along with women, to correcting mistakes of the past in a slow but sure way to erase the countries ugly past, to today, where the next President of the USA may well be a Black Man, a White Woman, or as usual, a White Man. Just imagine, a Black Man, who's ancestors may have been slaves either in America or Africa and is a minority with no more than 10% of the USA's population, may be heading towards becoming the leader of the "Free World". Without True Democracy, this would never have been possible, so TC and Zan and VP, pay attention to what a True Democracy can mean to TC's, despite being a minority, does not mean we would have any less rights than the majority. Individual Rights are for all citizens and not only for the majority. This is what I want for our country of Cyprus, a True Democracy with True Federation. Equal Power sharing can never work. It is like having two drivers at the wheel of a car. All you end up having, is a lot of "accidents". 1960 Constitution can attest to that.

Equal power sharing can never work except for in a private club

What the hell are you talking about So lets make Cyprus a private club then.......I will collect the fees and deposit them in a private account....How about that...That is if Tpap doesn't get there first.... And if you like we will take your second suggestion of real democracy......We will give the "RoC" the couple of hundred years needed to perfect it and then we will join them ...How does THAT sound.....We will need to perfect it as well so recognition is important.... [/code]

[Eric dayi]

I'll tell you what...You give up your minority rights in the EU, by which I mean as a minority nation, and I will agree to what ever you want. Are you an equal partner in the EU or not. Do you have a veto or not. One nation one vote. How about it....It will mean that you cannot veto Turkey like Greece was prepared to do.....10 million people holding hundreds of millions to ransom.......If that is fair then so are we as a major community in Cyprus. A point that you and the Alimo will not even address.

Zan,

Very good effort in trying to make some political score with your explanation. So here are the arguments against it.

The EU is a "PRIVATE CLUB" and only accepted members are allowed to come in. Members of any private club can set up their rules any which way they wish to do so. Same goes to Private Golf Courses, where they can deny entry to anyone they wish to, be it be a Black person, a woman, a poor person, or even Bill Gates, because he is richer than all of them, so they are jelous and will not let him join the club, so you are not going to get anywhere by making comparison to a "Private EU Club" to a Country....sorry.

Talking about Democracy however, just look and what happens when True Democracy is practiced. In the USA where True democracy is practices after couple of hundred years of working at it to perfect it, all the way from having Blacks as slaves, to denying any civil rights to them, to being able to vote along with women, to correcting mistakes of the past in a slow but sure way to erase the countries ugly past, to today, where the next President of the USA may well be a Black Man, a White Woman, or as usual, a White Man. Just imagine, a Black Man, who's ancestors may have been slaves either in America or Africa and is a minority with no more than 10% of the USA's population, may be heading towards becoming the leader of the "Free World". Without True Democracy, this would never have been possible, so TC and Zan and VP, pay attention to what a True Democracy can mean to TC's, despite being a minority, does not mean we would have any less rights than the majority. Individual Rights are for all citizens and not only for the majority. This is what I want for our country of Cyprus, a True Democracy with True Federation. Equal Power sharing can never work. It is like having two drivers at the wheel of a car. All you end up having, is a lot of "accidents". 1960 Constitution can attest to that.

Then you should have a chat with Epsilon and GCs like him you moron and see what they have in store for us TCs.

There's nothing stopping you or that other moron Birkibrisli from moving to the South and living in the "Greek style democracy" you so much love and trust, so why don't you? Are you as shit scared as Bir?

Hiyar Dayi,

Don't you have "Anonymous Wife Beaters Night" to go to tonight or are you just going to hang around here and
"beat yourself" all night.??

Nope, not tonight dear, I have been given the night off to stay here and beat the shit out of lying morons like kick-a-poo and Birkibrisli and any other idiot who needs/wants a kicking.

So tell me, why don't you piss off to the GC South Cyprus and leave us TCs in our own country alone? After all, you should have realised by now that you are not going to get your wish and sell us to the GCs but you really are too stupid to realise that you lost even before you started aren't you?

[utu]

Calling the British 'Nazi' - particularly the Royal Air Force - turns my stomach. If it wasn't for the RAF in 1940, the Nazis would have won the war.