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[Eric dayi]

I wonder if theres any reasons why democracy isn't good...??

Lets have a look shall we...www.google.com..[click, click, click....click, click.....]

AHA!


There are many good arguements against democracy. The most standard of these arguements is primarily an ethical one: that it is unjust for a majority to be able to vote away the rights of a minority. For if democracy is defined in terms of majoritarianism, it must be dismissed as being inherently incompatible with a universal application of rights to all human beings, since it implies that any larger amount of people can legitimately force their will on any smaller amount of people. This makes democracy nothing but might makes right, cloaked in egalitarian rhetoric. The ethically and logically consistant position would be that if it is wrong for an individual to do X (such as murder), then it is wrong for a group to do X.


DEMOCRACY SUX!!!!!!

Ok then...

Two questions:

1) What better (and FAIRER) system of governance you propose?

2) Is it because democracy is "inherently incompatible with a universal application of rights to all human beings" that Turkey slaugthered millions of Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians, and by that same logic that deprives Kurds off their rights?

You are the new guy here, you tell us what your ideas/wishes are for Cyprus?

[AIMILIOS]

A country with a constitution that every citizen has the same rights as every other, freedom to define himself whatever he likes, freedom to believe in any god he wants, and freedom to move around in his country without barriers and freedom to elect any government it wants.

Isn't that the definition of a democratic state? Don't you support democracy?

[zan]

A country with a constitution that every citizen has the same rights as every other, freedom to define himself whatever he likes, freedom to believe in any god he wants, and freedom to move around in his country without barriers and freedom to elect any government it wants.

Isn't that the definition of a democratic state? Don't you support democracy?

You have been given your answer as in the EU......How many threads do you want on this issue

[Eric dayi]

A country with a constitution that every citizen has the same rights as every other, freedom to define himself whatever he likes, freedom to believe in any god he wants, and freedom to move around in his country without barriers and freedom to elect any government it wants.

Isn't that the definition of a democratic state? Don't you support democracy?

I agree, you on your side and us on our side, what's wrong with that?

Do you call what the Turks in Greece suffer democratic?

Do yiu agree that by being the majority and that every government elected will be 99.99% GCs and that this government lawfully can do whatever it wants, even ENOSIS, without us "minorities" being able to do anything about it? Or is this the "democracy" you are dreaming of? Ifyes, forget it pal, will never happen. I would have though that you would get the message after 44 years.

[Eric dayi]

A country with a constitution that every citizen has the same rights as every other, freedom to define himself whatever he likes, freedom to believe in any god he wants, and freedom to move around in his country without barriers and freedom to elect any government it wants.

Isn't that the definition of a democratic state? Don't you support democracy?

You have been given your answer as in the EU......How many threads do you want on this issue

I think he is just trying to make sure he got it right or maybe he is hoping that we will change our minds if he changes threads.

[zan]

[AIMILIOS]

Do you call what the Turks in Greece suffer democratic?

Do yiu agree that by being the majority and that every government elected will be 99.99% GCs and that this government lawfully can do whatever it wants, even ENOSIS, without us "minorities" being able to do anything about it? Or is this the "democracy" you are dreaming of? Ifyes, forget it pal, will never happen. I would have though that you would get the message after 44 years.

Ok then, because it seems that you don't have the best of democratic feelings...

What is the condition of the Greek minority in Turkey? And how that compares with the Turkish in Greece?

And also, I ask the same question as in the other thread: Would you demand the SAME kind of democracy you want for t/c for Kurds and Armenians in Turkey?

[zan]

Do you call what the Turks in Greece suffer democratic?

Do yiu agree that by being the majority and that every government elected will be 99.99% GCs and that this government lawfully can do whatever it wants, even ENOSIS, without us "minorities" being able to do anything about it? Or is this the "democracy" you are dreaming of? Ifyes, forget it pal, will never happen. I would have though that you would get the message after 44 years.

Ok then, because it seems that you don't have the best of democratic feelings...

What is the condition of the Greek minority in Turkey? And how that compares with the Turkish in Greece?

And also, I ask the same question as in the other thread: Would you demand the SAME kind of democracy you want for t/c for Kurds and Armenians in Turkey?

How about sticking to one thread and one country as in Cyprus

[Eric dayi]

Do you call what the Turks in Greece suffer democratic?

Do yiu agree that by being the majority and that every government elected will be 99.99% GCs and that this government lawfully can do whatever it wants, even ENOSIS, without us "minorities" being able to do anything about it? Or is this the "democracy" you are dreaming of? Ifyes, forget it pal, will never happen. I would have though that you would get the message after 44 years.

Ok then, because it seems that you don't have the best of democratic feelings...

Just in case it escaped you pal, I live in a democratic country and know full well what it is like but I doubt very much that you know anything about it because you sound like a parrot repeating the words you heard from others.

What is the condition of the Greek minority in Turkey? And how that compares with the Turkish in Greece?

In Greece Turks are not allowed to call themselves Turks, neither are Pakistanies or any other Muslims are allowed to identify themselves as what race they are from. Collectively they are known as "Muslim Greeks". There was a court case beginning if 2007 and the court endorsed this "democrastic" law and forbid the Turks to identify themselves as Turks. If you ask the other Greeks/GCs in this forum they will confirm what I have said unless they decide to lie again but they wouldn't dare lie because their previous answers to these are documented in this forum.

The Greek minority in Turkey are your problem not mine.

And also, I ask the same question as in the other thread: Would you demand the SAME kind of democracy you want for t/c for Kurds and Armenians in Turkey?

As zan already told you, stick to one thread and stop asking the same questions over and over again and again as zan pointed out to you, stick to one country, Cyprus, because any more questions about any other country will not be answered by me either.


Listen pal and get this in to your skull, we TCs will never accept your (GC) kind of democracy where we become a minority in our own country, in our place neither will you, would you? When you GCs/Greeks lie pal, you are not jsut lying to us TCs, you are also lying to yourselves and it is not only us TCs who see/read/hear your lies but the world sees/reads and hears it too.

[Piratis]

A country with a constitution that every citizen has the same rights as every other, freedom to define himself whatever he likes, freedom to believe in any god he wants, and freedom to move around in his country without barriers and freedom to elect any government it wants.

Isn't that the definition of a democratic state? Don't you support democracy?

You have been given your answer as in the EU......How many threads do you want on this issue

AIMILIOS I agree 100% with what you say. But don't expect the partitionists to agree with you. These are the people who have been working since the 50s to steal our land and violate our rights.

Sure Zan, like in every other EU country. Do you know any EU country that the population is divided along ethnic lines and where the population was separated with ethnic cleansing?

What happens in every EU country is what Aimilios supports for Cyprus. In fact the newest EU member Bulgaria has a situation very similar to us with a relatively large Turkish minority that was created there during the Ottoman rule. So the system they have in Bulgaria could be a good model for Cyprus.