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[Eric dayi]

A country with a constitution that every citizen has the same rights as every other, freedom to define himself whatever he likes, freedom to believe in any god he wants, and freedom to move around in his country without barriers and freedom to elect any government it wants.

Isn't that the definition of a democratic state? Don't you support democracy?

Sounds fine if it were not Cyprus...But that is not the only way to have democracy. There is democracy in the Zurich agreement in which two equal political partners live side by side and respect each others rights in government.

Who are you to say that?

Democracy is where every citizen is equal to every other citizen - AS INDIVIDUALS.

What you want is a small minority to have the same power with a large majority. Is this democracy?

Would you accept this with Kurds and Armenians in Turkey?

We signed an agreement in 1960 pal, that was a democratic agreement and gave us a chance to control our country and our future but the greed of the GCs and the Greeks for ENOSIS turned Cyprus in to a war zone with you Greeks and GCs attempting to genocide us TCs for your dreams.

If you claim that of was your democratic right to want enosis then it was our democratic right to not want it. You didn't accept that and in the end we both suffered and are still suffering. The only difference is that we have accepted what has happened and are getting on with our lives but you GCs are still crying and still trying to take away our democratic rights away by demanding that we accept a minority role and forget our 1960 agreement. Forget it pal, it will never happen.

[Piratis]

Here we go with the genocide lies again. As we concluded in another thread, it is the Turks who have actually been committing the genocides, Greek Cypriots never did. You just imagine that GCs would do this and that, but your imagination and oracle predictions do not count my friend. What counts are the actual genocides you have committed against us and against others.

[AIMILIOS]

You know you are talking bullshit. Because it is a proven fact that the Turkish Cypriots since the end of the 1950s were preparing themselves to genocide greeks.

And you know for a fact that since 1958 Denktash and the TMT (with money and officers from the Turkish army) instigated the plan for ethnic cleansing, moving BY FORCE AND VIOLENCE their own t/c compatriots to the north... Or you don't know the story with the DENIZ ship in 1959, bringing ammo and weapons for TMT. The g/c found out about it and the English (Sir Hugh Foot himself) decided to cover the turks because they were collaborating!?/??

And why did Denktash and the TMT moved t/c BY FORCE to the north!? What else? To prepare the grounds for bizonal division. So don't give me bullshit. Dr. Fazil Kucuk prepared a partition map in the mid-50s... So don't give me this ENOSIS bullshit, only few g/c talked about enosis in the 1960s, and those were a small violent minority.

You know that very well you paid man.

[zan]

You know you are talking bullshit. Because it is a proven fact that the Turkish Cypriots since the end of the 1950s were preparing themselves to genocide greeks.

And you know for a fact that since 1958 Denktash and the TMT (with money and officers from the Turkish army) instigated the plan for ethnic cleansing, moving BY FORCE AND VIOLENCE their own t/c compatriots to the north... Or you don't know the story with the DENIZ ship in 1959, bringing ammo and weapons for TMT. The g/c found out about it and the English (Sir Hugh Foot himself) decided to cover the turks because they were collaborating!?/??

And why did Denktash and the TMT moved t/c BY FORCE to the north!? What else? To prepare the grounds for bizonal division. So don't give me bullshit. Dr. Fazil Kucuk prepared a partition map in the mid-50s... So don't give me this ENOSIS bullshit, only few g/c talked about enosis in the 1960s, and those were a small violent minority.

You know that very well you paid man.

Really...You should talk to Piratis because he can give you evidence that 93% of GCs voted for ENOSIS.........

[AIMILIOS]

Well, you try to divert the argument.

And the established fact is that Turkey and Britain collaborated from the mid-50s to enforce partition and attempted several times to genocide g/c

[Piratis]

You accept it in the EU......Less than a million people in the "RoC" and you have equal status as those in the UK and Germany for instance...Is that fair?????

There are two people in Cyprus and a vote for each equals equality and democracy...Simple really...

EU is an association of countries, not a country. Do not compare apples and oranges.

In EU each country owns its territory and in order to enter the EU it has to be accepted by the other members. Nobody forced the other EU members to be partners with Cyprus, and Cyprus didn't steal its territory from any other country.

TCs are not a country to enter into an association of countries kind of agreement. TCs are a minority within a country, just like the minorities that exist in all other EU countries.

[zan]

Well, you try to divert the argument.

And the established fact is that Turkey and Britain collaborated from the mid-50s to enforce partition and attempted several times to genocide g/c

You have had one "Fact" just destroyed and you are still quoting from Greek propaganda sheets The FACT that the GCs were planning ENOSIS for decades before with the Megali idea does not give you enough reason as to why these measures were taken I suppose...


You seem to be shying away from he EU and democracy question as well.....

[Eric dayi]

You know you are talking bullshit. Because it is a proven fact that the Turkish Cypriots since the end of the 1950s were preparing themselves to genocide greeks.

And you know for a fact that since 1958 Denktash and the TMT (with money and officers from the Turkish army) instigated the plan for ethnic cleansing, moving BY FORCE AND VIOLENCE their own t/c compatriots to the north... Or you don't know the story with the DENIZ ship in 1959, bringing ammo and weapons for TMT. The g/c found out about it and the English (Sir Hugh Foot himself) decided to cover the turks because they were collaborating!?/??

And why did Denktash and the TMT moved t/c BY FORCE to the north!? What else? To prepare the grounds for bizonal division. So don't give me bullshit. Dr. Fazil Kucuk prepared a partition map in the mid-50s... So don't give me this ENOSIS bullshit, only few g/c talked about enosis in the 1960s, and those were a small violent minority.

You know that very well you paid man.

You are talking through your arse pal, if we wanted the whole of Cyprus the we could have rotted you out in 1974 but we are not as greedy as you Greeks and GCs, you were the ones who wanted ENOSIS in the first place and attempted to genocide us TCs because we did not agree with your ideas.

As for your other lies about the GCs who wanted ENOSIS, it is very well documented and have been repeated proudly by many if not all GC/Greek posters of this forum that 96% of GCs wanted ENOSIS, that pal, is hardly a "small violent minority".


It was in fact a small minority of GCs who didn't want ENOSIS and about 2000 of them were murdered by the murdering EOKA scum which means that more than likely some of your family or relatives were either murdered by the EOKA terrorist scums or you/ your family/friends/relatives were part of the murdering terrorist scums.

Your (GC) type of democracy? No thanks pal, stick it where the sun dontt shine.

[Piratis]

Zan, the referendum was done well before the 60s. Union with Greece was the desire of the great majority of the Cypriot people and also a legitimate option according to the resolution about decolonization. Union with Greece did not involve the violation of your human rights.

On the contrary your aim for partition was never your right and it involved our ethnic cleansing and the mass violations of our human rights.

So don't confuse your crime of partition, with the legitimate option of enosis. Cypriots had been under foreign rule for centuries, and just like the rest of the Greek islands and territories they also wanted to be liberated from colonialists and be part of the free Greek state. Absolutely nothing wrong with this. What was wrong is exactly the fact that you oppressed us and denied to us our freedom for so many centuries, not that we wanted our freedom.

[Eric dayi]

You accept it in the EU......Less than a million people in the "RoC" and you have equal status as those in the UK and Germany for instance...Is that fair?????

There are two people in Cyprus and a vote for each equals equality and democracy...Simple really...

EU is an association of countries, not a country. Do not compare apples and oranges.

In EU each country owns its territory and in order to enter the EU it has to be accepted by the other members. Nobody forced the other EU members to be partners with Cyprus, and Cyprus didn't steal its territory from any other country.

TCs are not a country to enter into an association of countries kind of agreement. TCs are a minority within a country, just like the minorities that exist in all other EU countries.

Drean on pal, dream on.