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[zan]

WOW . I am shocked

Phoenix actually is going to reference from me. What is it you liked so much in what I wrote about the economy?

Umit...Thanks for the support on your other post. I seems that even the truth as it exists is viewed as hate by some. Your attitude helped me to calm down a bit as well because I think I was letting hem get to me these last couple of days.....Thanks again.

As for Phoenix.....Don't worry......I am sure hat something is brewing and the ending was just as she would like it...Not too positive
They seem to like that...They want all their churches and ur best wishes but revel, like Jerry, when any bad news is heading our way.....How can you help but like these guys.... [/u]

Zan hope you are wll my friend, I still dont get it these GCs hate us so much they should be begging us for division, the only reason ı think of is that all they want is land.

Thank you VP and hope that you and your loved ones are all well too. Yeni Yiliniz Kutlu Olsun kardesim.

The land is all they want my friend, at least the ones like Piratis......They have no room for us in their future plans except maybe another population exchange and the loss of our homeland. At best we will be tolerated as an ever diminishing minority in a Greek run island. That is what people like Tpap and Piratis want. Shame on them.....

[Jerry]

I've just invented a new word - Cypocrite, applies to the person who posted this:-

They seem to like that...They want all their churches and ur best wishes but revel, like Jerry, when any bad news is heading our way.....How can you help but like these guys....

and this :- This should upset some of you

[zan]

I've just invented a new word - Cypocrite, applies to the person who posted this:-

They seem to like that...They want all their churches and ur best wishes but revel, like Jerry, when any bad news is heading our way.....How can you help but like these guys....

and this :- This should upset some of you

And I thought that you were going to ignore me.........Welcome back friend...

[phoenix]

WOW . I am shocked

Phoenix actually is going to reference from me. What is it you liked so much in what I wrote about the economy?

Umit07 . . . calm down. I never said I liked it. I merely thanked you for the effort you put in and I still appreciate that.

As for the contents, I am not an economist and clearly nor are you so it's still a confusing source for me.

However it's not as positively extreme as the picture VP paints with everyone falling over the amount of luxury possessions they have. Nor is it as negatively extreme as the picture Zan painted, which led as to believe there were no spare parts available for repairs, so your industry (such as it is) would grind to a halt and Zan's relatives would starve.

That scenario reminds me of the TCs I used to see when I was young and they would all be wearing gold bangles and jewellery, but have no shoes on their feet and walk around sucking on lumps of bread. I guess it's a matter of priorities.

The perplexing picture you paint is that you have all done well from stealing the property belonging to the GCs, with some of you having more than one property, but now this seems to be receding.

The number of students at 30,000 seemed quite high but I guess that figure includes all sort of colleges and high schools for the over 16s.

The tax situation is a puzzle because you said the Turk-TCs don't pay tax in the normal way . . . . yet you have a lot of well paid teachers and civil servants.
So where does that money come from?

All in all, a very weird and artificial economy that just seems to be "happening" without any true purpose or influence. The last place anyone with any sense would invest in.

[zan]

WOW . I am shocked

Phoenix actually is going to reference from me. What is it you liked so much in what I wrote about the economy?

Umit07 . . . calm down. I never said I liked it. I merely thanked you for the effort you put in and I still appreciate that.

As for the contents, I am not an economist and clearly nor are you so it's still a confusing source for me.

However it's not as positively extreme as the picture VP paints with everyone falling over the amount of luxury possessions they have. Nor is it as negatively extreme as the picture Zan painted, which led as to believe there were no spare parts available for repairs, so your industry (such as it is) would grind to a halt and Zan's relatives would starve.

That scenario reminds me of the TCs I used to see when I was young and they would all be wearing gold bangles and jewellery, but have no shoes on their feet and walk around sucking on lumps of bread. I guess it's a matter of priorities.

The perplexing picture you paint is that you have all done well from stealing the property belonging to the GCs, with some of you having more than one property, but now this seems to be receding.

The number of students at 30,000 seemed quite high but I guess that figure includes all sort of colleges and high schools for the over 16s.

The tax situation is a puzzle because you said the Turk-TCs don't pay tax in the normal way . . . . yet you have a lot of well paid teachers and civil servants.
So where does that money come from?

All in all, a very weird and artificial economy that just seems to be "happening" without any true purpose or influence.

Do all the people in the UK, where you live have the same life style........There are those that are doing better than others and we seem to need to point out every little detail of society to you in order for you to understand. MY family member was a few years ago as I quite clearly said......We have also told you that yes we are doing ok to a level as VP has told you and some are doing bloody great but the economy is dependent on the embargoes otherwise you would not attack us in that way now would you. I do wish you would try to keep up.......The same goes for the students......The numbers are so high because we depend on them for income and that again is why you attack their qualifications.....After the OXI o the Annan Plan the gloves came off as we have already said as well. Now please pay attention because some on here do not like us repeating things....

[denizaksulu]

OH BOOHOO!!! Churches being destroyed Shame you don,t cry as much for all the TCs you massacred hey!!!!!

Zan,

I don't believe you are such am empty person to condone such acts.

We both agree that there were mass killings on both sides right, so come on don't keep on playing that card mate, its sounds like the broken record it is.

Bottom line is, do you honestly agree with such actions that Turkey has taken against us? Really ? Any, sensible, logical thinking person would or should be discusted at such acts. I would be upset if any place of worship was desacrated like these have been.

Come on, you must at least see that much. Just cut out the playground arguements and answer me honestly on this one.

Do You agree with the way our churches have been treated ?

You honest answer is most welcome.

Your beliefs are right mate and it breaks my heart to see these buildings destroyed but it also breaks my heart to see you guys put these buildings in front of he TC people as a matter of importance. The lack of money for such projects is the real deal and if tourism was allowed then these would be restored without a moments hesitation I am sure. The fact that you guys are taking he situation and seeing something else is the saddest part. I love Churches as buildings and appreciate what hey stand or as well but the crocodile tears of some on this subject is sickening.

Typical Zanman response, blame the Greek Cypriots. It costs nothing to leave the churches alone and not loot them. You could have just locked them up in 1974 and either let them fall down or allow GCs maintenence access, alternatively you could have used the proceeds of the stolen icons to repair them yourselves, CRETIN!

Oh right.......While those that bomb and shoot each other in the south always pay their taxes.......The point was...As you obviously missed it.....The churches are not the priority. So simple that even you should be able to get it.......The looting.........How is it that the USA has been asked to stop the trade of Cypriot coins that come from the "RoC" side of the island then......Wasn't it Matsakis that had hundreds of relics in his possession as well and was arrested for it.....How soon they forget.... You people make me laugh...Hold us under siege for 40 years plus and expect us to sit about in our tents and rot........Not going o happen baby...We waited for years for you to come to your senses and now the gloves are off......No siege no embargoes no isolation.......Worry about your churches and shed crocodile tears at our leasure....Even those that have not even set foot in a church except for weddings.......

Boo Zan!

Of course the Mosques that were burned down are not there to be looted Along with village after village.......Wasn't that a picture of Bir sitting outside his derelict house in one of these threads......Let's get some perspective on this shall we

I was only boo-ing the attitude Zan ... and more because it didn't sound like you in your right frame of mind.

Of course I would abhor any desecration of any Cultural history . . . but I am not aware of any Mosques deliberately ruined ...

Phoenix mou, seek and ye shall find. I did suggest, on your tour you could take notes? Perhaps?

Deniz, I still can't find any accounts of deliberate destruction of mosques by GCs . . . .

Ofcourse not. What accounts are you after ? Written ones? Oh yes Mr. Christos pulled down 2 mosques in the Larnaca district on such and such date. Written and published. On yer bike girl. Halil has quite a few documented video recordings. But you are not talking anymore.

what a load of tosh ,,,,,

the mosques in larnaca and sub districts have all been assessed and checked for aging damage and three of them have had over 200k spent on them to fix/paint ,,,,the U.N has a list of them submitted by the ROC ,,,

i myself live 5 minutes away from one and it is well kept and a egyphtian guy who looks after it opens it for his moslem breathen when needed ...he asked me to lend him my camera to photograph some of artworks/wall designs being a i have a red eye sony digital pro camera ,,,

you TCs on this forum ,,,need to look at your own deeds first ,,,the lot of you know full well the TRNC ,,,systematicly went through a phase of wiping all evidence of greek history and greek art from your stolen lands in the mid 80s ,,,

just visitng salamis ,,,,and anyone can see that ,,,,,you even went as far as trying to burn greek text from the mosiacs there .,,,,

hardly principle actions are they ,,,,,barbarians ,,,,

Oranos, if what you say about the destruction/ or attempts at destruction is true, it is unforgivable. The people responsible are barbarian. The people who allow it are also barbarian. You need not however tarnish all Cypriots with the same brush.

[umit07]

If people in the North actually paid income tax I believe there would be no need for Turkey to send money. At the moment Turkey supplies around 30% of the TRNC's annual budget. But this figure is going down every year. In around 10 years time Turkey is planning to stop giving money to us, they plan only to finance infrasture projects ( building roads, hospitals so on.. ). So its time the gov. started collecting income tax properly. For example last year half of the registered companies didn't even fill out their income tax forms, and of the half that did only half of them were supposedly making a profit. Here the tax office doesn't check out anything you could pay a very small amount of income tax and deposit a million dollars into your bank account every year. There are a lot of people who drive a 100k car but pay less income tax then a guy on minimum wage. Also there is the problem about public servants, every party that comes to power fills gov offices with new employees in a bid to stay the ruling party. So everyone supports a political party like a bloody football team, but they change teams when their team falls behind. Supporting a political party here is about which one will fill your pocket for most people.

When it comes to uni students there are many

some figures for you

Near East uni: 18 000 students
Eastern Med. Uni: 15 000
Lefke European: 3000
Girne American: 3000
Cyprus Int: 1000-2000
Middle East Tech Cyprus campus: 1000

There are around 45 000 uni student in the North only 6000-7000 are TC's.


http://www.emu.edu.tr/
http://www.ncc.metu.edu.tr

[humanist]

Umit

Dear Humanist,

I have never heard zan spill out hate. I for one think that GC's on a whole usually act in the way you accuse zan of eg " Not putting any blame on yourselves" . If you ask a GC why Cyprus is in the situation it is in. The answer you always ever get is.

" We would live like brothers, if it weren't for foreign powers ( Britain, Greece, Turkey , America ) "

umit thank you for your post, however that is my expreience with Zan's comennts.

The reality Greek speaking Cypriots will and do live with Turkish speaking Cypriots and they work with Turkish speaking Cypriots.

You are entitled to hold your views though.

Thank you

[Piratis]

There are around 45 000 uni student in the North only 6000-7000 are TC's.

How many of them are Turks from Turkey?

[umit07]

Dear Humanist,

I do believe that a TC's and GC's can get along as being friends, neighboors and so on. I believe that if the GC's and TC's on the forum talked about any other thing than the " Cyprus Problem" we would get along fine. You should not mix politics with getting along with each other in terms of basic human nature.

The essence of the entire problem is about sharing governing power if we were united in the form GC's wanted we would be a minority in your ROC. This is something we cannot and will not accept! TC's have never been governed over by GC's so why should we now? So the only answer is bi zonal federal state or partition. The choice is all up to the GC's.


when it comes to pirates question of the number of Turkish mainland students I'd say around 30,000