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[zan]

As to understanding the kind of man I am.........I would have thought that you had come to that conclusion long ago......I stand by what I believe unlike you that flits from humanity to down right propaganda. Try understanding what I right before trying to understand who I am. You are a loose cannon Humanist and your moods set the agenda for the day. You are fll of self importance and you kid yourself that you really care about others. Try loving others before you selfishly ask them to love you.

Zan most of your coments nearly none have shown an ounce of respect for the Greek speaking population of Cyprus. Your posts are full of hate towarsd that part of the population that are/ were your compatriots. You do not accept responsibility for your communties part in the whole thing and you have adopted victim mentality. You have never taken responsibility or even admit fault on Talats administration. He has been putting hold on all the talks and now he is saying 08 is the time getreal.

Nothing has changed since I have come on this forum. But one thing. Firstly I would like to see a unified Cyprus, having been on this forum for saome time now I am beginning to accept that partition is the only way to move on and the only reason that has got me to that point is the evident hate of Turkish speaking Cypriots towards Greek speaking Cypriots and the lack of understanding or appreciation what thousands of refugees are going through.

I care about other and I respect others, however I will not respect those who continually throw nothing but hate towards my community. Your coments about the churhes was a right down insensitive and careless. I have never in my posts satated that I do not support the embargo, as long as refugees are denied their right of return and their land is being sold off I support the RoC's push for economic isolations of the trnc. Nothing has changed. I care about people because if you saw my post to Niiitas I am advocating for the church to build accommodation for those TC's who are refugees from the south and furthermore my posts asks as to whetehr than action ought to take place before unification talks or after. Yes The RoC can do more to accommodate TC's and am waiting.

Look at my posts about my recent trip to the trnc and see my coments on the state of churchs. A church may not be your sacred place of worhsip but it sure as hell is one of the places I would like to go and pary now the as is a mosque and I would feel the same way if that had been destroyed, thankfully we are civilised enough not to have ruined Cypriot mosques and if we have they have now bwwn restored. If only you afforded us same respect.

I fail to see how my moods afect the agenda for the day. You made a disrespectful coment and I responded that I found it rude insensitive and as per usualk full of hate. You do not like this so you attack as per usual.

Your community suffered in 63 no doubt, so did mine. Your stuck on the same record and hence we'll get no where. I agree with you on partition am moody, I push for unification am an idealist utopian moron, well am sorry but yu are not going to silence me.

Here it is again, I hate Turkey and its invasion of Cyprus. I agree with economic embargos on trnc because it is illegal and it violates human rights, I am supporting unification though partition could also be considered at this stage. Rights of return for refugess end of embargoes.

Care to respond on your views about the Cypriot Church's offer to build accommodation for TC refugees currently in GC property I would like to hear about it. If and am sure you'll atack further well go for it I wil consider whether I respond.

More proof of your self importance and the fact that you have not listened to a word a said. How many times do I have o say that I am concerned with what those in power are doing and have ill feeling towards the ordinary people. It is a waste of time with you mate.....I am beginning to realise that it is an Oz thing this confusion you have....You guys are so far back in some instances that you are only just exploring being nice. The rest of he world has gone through that phase and has come back to reality and although are nice, they are nice with a brain......If it wasn't for Boomers whit and sarcasm I really would believe what I just wrote about Oz.

[Jerry]

Humanist, leave the lightweight to stew in his pot of hate. I am going to try and ignore his crap, it just adds fuel to the fire, try it yourself, he may end up talking only to himself and the other TC hatemongers. Its just not worth the effort going over and over the same old arguments, in fact it gets boring and puts others off the site.

[zan]

Humanist, leave the lightweight to stew in his pot of hate. I am going to try and ignore his crap, it just adds fuel to the fire, try it yourself, he may end up talking only to himself and the other TC hatemongers. Its just not worth the effort going over and over the same old arguments, in fact it gets boring and puts others off the site.

It,s not my fault that you guys only want to hear the GC side of the story and run home when the going gets tough. Reality is a bitch and jerry seems to be the weakest of the bunch. There is no hate in what I write except for those that try to distort the truth........Please stay Jerry

Is there any chance of you ever attempting to challenge what I say instead of attacking me or what Did you ever read any of the links you gave us as well.....Maybe that is why you are so angry hey!!!!!

[umit07]

Dear Humanist,

I have never heard zan spill out hate. I for one think that GC's on a whole usually act in the way you accuse zan of eg " Not putting any blame on yourselves" . If you ask a GC why Cyprus is in the situation it is in. The answer you always ever get is.

" We would live like brothers, if it weren't for foreign powers ( Britain, Greece, Turkey , America ) "

[denizaksulu]

OH BOOHOO!!! Churches being destroyed Shame you don,t cry as much for all the TCs you massacred hey!!!!!

Zan,

I don't believe you are such am empty person to condone such acts.

We both agree that there were mass killings on both sides right, so come on don't keep on playing that card mate, its sounds like the broken record it is.

Bottom line is, do you honestly agree with such actions that Turkey has taken against us? Really ? Any, sensible, logical thinking person would or should be discusted at such acts. I would be upset if any place of worship was desacrated like these have been.

Come on, you must at least see that much. Just cut out the playground arguements and answer me honestly on this one.

Do You agree with the way our churches have been treated ?

You honest answer is most welcome.

Your beliefs are right mate and it breaks my heart to see these buildings destroyed but it also breaks my heart to see you guys put these buildings in front of he TC people as a matter of importance. The lack of money for such projects is the real deal and if tourism was allowed then these would be restored without a moments hesitation I am sure. The fact that you guys are taking he situation and seeing something else is the saddest part. I love Churches as buildings and appreciate what hey stand or as well but the crocodile tears of some on this subject is sickening.

Typical Zanman response, blame the Greek Cypriots. It costs nothing to leave the churches alone and not loot them. You could have just locked them up in 1974 and either let them fall down or allow GCs maintenence access, alternatively you could have used the proceeds of the stolen icons to repair them yourselves, CRETIN!

Oh right.......While those that bomb and shoot each other in the south always pay their taxes.......The point was...As you obviously missed it.....The churches are not the priority. So simple that even you should be able to get it.......The looting.........How is it that the USA has been asked to stop the trade of Cypriot coins that come from the "RoC" side of the island then......Wasn't it Matsakis that had hundreds of relics in his possession as well and was arrested for it.....How soon they forget.... You people make me laugh...Hold us under siege for 40 years plus and expect us to sit about in our tents and rot........Not going o happen baby...We waited for years for you to come to your senses and now the gloves are off......No siege no embargoes no isolation.......Worry about your churches and shed crocodile tears at our leasure....Even those that have not even set foot in a church except for weddings.......

Boo Zan!

Of course the Mosques that were burned down are not there to be looted Along with village after village.......Wasn't that a picture of Bir sitting outside his derelict house in one of these threads......Let's get some perspective on this shall we

I was only boo-ing the attitude Zan ... and more because it didn't sound like you in your right frame of mind.

Of course I would abhor any desecration of any Cultural history . . . but I am not aware of any Mosques deliberately ruined ...

Phoenix mou, seek and ye shall find. I did suggest, on your tour you could take notes? Perhaps?

Deniz, I still can't find any accounts of deliberate destruction of mosques by GCs . . . .

Ofcourse not. What accounts are you after ? Written ones? Oh yes Mr. Christos pulled down 2 mosques in the Larnaca district on such and such date. Written and published. On yer bike girl. Halil has quite a few documented video recordings. But you are not talking anymore.

what a load of tosh ,,,,,

the mosques in larnaca and sub districts have all been assessed and checked for aging damage and three of them have had over 200k spent on them to fix/paint ,,,,the U.N has a list of them submitted by the ROC ,,,

i myself live 5 minutes away from one and it is well kept and a egyphtian guy who looks after it opens it for his moslem breathen when needed ...he asked me to lend him my camera to photograph some of artworks/wall designs being a i have a red eye sony digital pro camera ,,,

you TCs on this forum ,,,need to look at your own deeds first ,,,the lot of you know full well the TRNC ,,,systematicly went through a phase of wiping all evidence of greek history and greek art from your stolen lands in the mid 80s ,,,

just visitng salamis ,,,,and anyone can see that ,,,,,you even went as far as trying to burn greek text from the mosiacs there .,,,,

hardly principle actions are they ,,,,,barbarians ,,,,

Oranos, I have to go to bed, so I have not read your full response.

The names and places were purely arbitrary. Fictional. I am sorry if I have misled you.

I bid all good night. I hope my wife hasnt locked me out of the bedroom, otherwise its the sofa again.

if you was a true cyp ..,,you would kick the door in and ravage her

never mind sit on the sofa and play online poker with some blond in poland

yep me too french mate will be round in min for some horizontal jogging ,,,best have another shower ,,,

True Cyp law does not rule where I live, Oranos. You just carry on without me.

[phoenix]

Regarding Phoenix's question of the economy in the TRNC.

Well for the past few years thing have been going quite good for most . The Annan plan made property prices soar through the roof, a lot of people sold off a lot of GC land, and made big profits. At the moment there are around 1050 building companıes in the North which over half do not even employ a single civil engineer. The boom is now over in kyrenia alone there are 600 fully finished homes which have not been sold off. The property boom also had a big impact on tax revenue from property sales since nobody in the TRNC pays income tax properly.

When it comes to your TL in the bank, th exchange rate in 2003 was
2.75 TL = 1 GBP now its 2.4 TL=1 GBP with the when you also put into account the 30% per annum interest rate in 2003 ( now 16%) you would hav trippled your account balance in terms of GBP in the last 4 years.

As you know the at least a third of the working pop. is some sort of public servant ( police , teacher , clerk.....) these people have had a wag increase of over 100% in the past few years.

Another important factor are the 30,000 + foreign students in the North, many families in the North have more than one house or apartment, with the high number of students renting apartments, rent went up quite a bit a apartment to rent in northern nicosia is around 350 GBP a month.

So who is losing?

People like the construction workers who go to work in the south, you could get a guy from Diyarbakır,Hatay and so on to work for half the money.

But even though the condition are good now you never know what may happen next month let alone next year.

Umit07 . . . . . . many thanks for your considered response. I will take it as accurate unless the other TCs disagree with it.

[Jerry]

This is the opinion of a British carpetbagger living in the north:-

There are going to be three modern shopping malls built here in the TRNC, Famagusta, Nicosia and here in Kyrenia, during the next year. These have obviously been well thought out as usual. The one here in Kyrenia is going to be built alongside the not yet opened by-pass, opposite the Ezic Premier restaurant. It is going to contain 24 boutique type shops, a 250 seater restaurant and a car park for 100+ cars. Now I am not a mathematician but I fail to see how firstly, the car park is gong to adequately cover the shops, their staff and the restaurant and secondly, what with the 110 boutique type shops either built or being built for rent, between us and Kyrenia, the whole thing can be a viable proposition. Time will tell no doubt.

Whilst the current retailers are complaining and closing by the day, there is another article which warns of massive hotel and holiday complex closures, many permanent, after the New Year celebrations, due to the downturn in North Cyprus tourism. So why there are so many investors is a puzzle and why is there no effort by the government to try to improve the situation for their people. Maybe the leaders can't see what they are doing, or not doing, to this lovely island, but they as sure as hell don't listen to any advice they might be given.

There has been a large downturn in support for EU membership here in TRNC. The EU are seen to have broken their promises to the Turkish Cypriot people since the referendum and the trust in the European Commission has dropped from 55% in 2004 to less than 17% now. As there is also a downturn in support across in Turkey also, maybe this is another indicator towards a divided island.

[umit07]

WOW . I am shocked

Phoenix actually is going to reference from me. What is it you liked so much in what I wrote about the economy?

[zan]

WOW . I am shocked

Phoenix actually is going to reference from me. What is it you liked so much in what I wrote about the economy?

Umit...Thanks for the support on your other post. I seems that even the truth as it exists is viewed as hate by some. Your attitude helped me to calm down a bit as well because I think I was letting hem get to me these last couple of days.....Thanks again.

As for Phoenix.....Don't worry......I am sure hat something is brewing and the ending was just as she would like it...Not too positive
They seem to like that...They want all their churches and ur best wishes but revel, like Jerry, when any bad news is heading our way.....How can you help but like these guys.... [/u]

[Viewpoint]

WOW . I am shocked

Phoenix actually is going to reference from me. What is it you liked so much in what I wrote about the economy?

Umit...Thanks for the support on your other post. I seems that even the truth as it exists is viewed as hate by some. Your attitude helped me to calm down a bit as well because I think I was letting hem get to me these last couple of days.....Thanks again.

As for Phoenix.....Don't worry......I am sure hat something is brewing and the ending was just as she would like it...Not too positive
They seem to like that...They want all their churches and ur best wishes but revel, like Jerry, when any bad news is heading our way.....How can you help but like these guys.... [/u]

Zan hope you are wll my friend, I still dont get it these GCs hate us so much they should be begging us for division, the only reason ı think of is that all they want is land.