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[humanist]

Zan I am certainly getting an idea of the knda man you are ......... you are under seige because you are violating human rights of oither and you thisk its okay.

[humanist]

Nikitas

Andreas,

The church case when it comes to the court will have a totally different legal basis than the individual property cases that the court has dealt with so far. The church is not a dwelling which could have been sold to third parties who claim innocence, nor can the church be used to house refugees. A church is a church is a church and it will be very hard to justify holding on to it.

I note that the church is not demanding compensation for the damage or theft, the claim as I understood it, it is for return of the church to the Church authority and no more. It will be intersting to hear the objections that can be raised to such a claim.

And above all I want to hear what that "lady" who bought the Fterihou church and turned it into a private museum where she charges entry fees will say. I am not a religious person, so I do not feel indignation for her desecrating a church. It is more that the church is communal property and all Cypriots know this, and they knew it when they were selling that church.

I appreciate the above Nikitas.

I would like to hear from you your thoughts and ideas about the churche's offer to build homes for those Turkish Cypriots Refugees currently living in Greek Cypriot Refugee property.

Cheers

[zan]

Zan I am certainly getting an idea of the knda man you are ......... you are under seige because you are violating human rights of oither and you thisk its okay.

And how does your theory fit into 1963 then my good man........You are starting from 1974 again and forgetting that we have been under siege since then......Care to explain?????

[zan]

Zan I am certainly getting an idea of the knda man you are ......... you are under seige because you are violating human rights of oither and you thisk its okay.

And how does your theory fit into 1963 then my good man........You are starting from 1974 again and forgetting that we have been under siege since then......Care to explain?????

As to understanding the kind of man I am.........I would have thought that you had come to that conclusion long ago......I stand by what I believe unlike you that flits from humanity to down right propaganda. Try understanding what I right before trying to understand who I am. You are a loose cannon Humanist and your moods set the agenda for the day. You are fll of self importance and you kid yourself that you really care about others. Try loving others before you selfishly ask them to love you.

[phoenix]

BOOHOO to Zan and his earlier coment .......... you have invaded, pillaged, raped and killed and destroyed chrurhes. You have no sanctity man.


Regardless I find that the churches offer to build homes for TC refugees is a positive step taken yet again to normalise relaionships between the two communities. A humane action taken by a peave loving country one moving toward unification. What the Turkish side done to encourage moves to unifiy ther Island. Othere than rhetoric and bullshit by Talat in his presence in Ankara???????????????

You could be right and I am sorry........I should have encouraged my brother inlaws brother, once his lorry had finally fallen to bits and he could not replace either the parts or the lorry it self because there was no work for him to do due to embargoes, to stand vigil outside the churches and protect them for you. After all....He had nothing better to do than to worry about where the next piece of food was going to come from to feed his family....


Try being ashamed of the siege hat we have been held under for over 40 years and I might worry about simple if important buildings.

Zan there are major contradictions in your story.

VP who supposedly lives in the north, is telling us everyone is doing well, prospering and sticking two fingers up to the south in their joyous wealth. You on the other hand who lives in the UK, tells us they are starving.

One of you is telling fibs. Which version is correct?

Are the TCs stinking rich or starving?

[phoenix]

First gc's rape us of our basic human rights & our economy, then they request that we spend money on their killing machine to keep them alive...hilarious stuff

Recognition of TRNC = Restoration of Churches

See...very simple.

Don't need 30 pages to try and justify how to revive the murderous greek orthodox smelly churches.

Your views are indicative of why TCs should not be allowed to be in charge of anything IMO. Respect is not in your background.

Blackmail seems to be the only mannerism of which you are well capable.

. . . and we were almost making you civilized and educated when the Turks took you away for regression.

[Viewpoint]

First gc's rape us of our basic human rights & our economy, then they request that we spend money on their killing machine to keep them alive...hilarious stuff

Recognition of TRNC = Restoration of Churches

See...very simple.

Don't need 30 pages to try and justify how to revive the murderous greek orthodox smelly churches.

Your views are indicative of why TCs should not be allowed to be in charge of anything IMO. Respect is not in your background.

Blackmail seems to be the only mannerism of which you are well capable.

. . . and we were almost making you civilized and educated when the Turks took you away for regression.

[umit07]

Regarding Phoenix's question of the economy in the TRNC.

Well for the past few years thing have been going quite good for most . The Annan plan made property prices soar through the roof, a lot of people sold off a lot of GC land, and made big profits. At the moment there are around 1050 building companıes in the North which over half do not even employ a single civil engineer. The boom is now over in kyrenia alone there are 600 fully finished homes which have not been sold off. The property boom also had a big impact on tax revenue from property sales since nobody in the TRNC pays income tax properly.

When it comes to your TL in the bank, th exchange rate in 2003 was
2.75 TL = 1 GBP now its 2.4 TL=1 GBP with the when you also put into account the 30% per annum interest rate in 2003 ( now 16%) you would hav trippled your account balance in terms of GBP in the last 4 years.

As you know the at least a third of the working pop. is some sort of public servant ( police , teacher , clerk.....) these people have had a wag increase of over 100% in the past few years.

Another important factor are the 30,000 + foreign students in the North, many families in the North have more than one house or apartment, with the high number of students renting apartments, rent went up quite a bit a apartment to rent in northern nicosia is around 350 GBP a month.

So who is losing?

People like the construction workers who go to work in the south, you could get a guy from Diyarbakır,Hatay and so on to work for half the money.

But even though the condition are good now you never know what may happen next month let alone next year.

[humanist]

As to understanding the kind of man I am.........I would have thought that you had come to that conclusion long ago......I stand by what I believe unlike you that flits from humanity to down right propaganda. Try understanding what I right before trying to understand who I am. You are a loose cannon Humanist and your moods set the agenda for the day. You are fll of self importance and you kid yourself that you really care about others. Try loving others before you selfishly ask them to love you.

Zan most of your coments nearly none have shown an ounce of respect for the Greek speaking population of Cyprus. Your posts are full of hate towarsd that part of the population that are/ were your compatriots. You do not accept responsibility for your communties part in the whole thing and you have adopted victim mentality. You have never taken responsibility or even admit fault on Talats administration. He has been putting hold on all the talks and now he is saying 08 is the time getreal.

Nothing has changed since I have come on this forum. But one thing. Firstly I would like to see a unified Cyprus, having been on this forum for saome time now I am beginning to accept that partition is the only way to move on and the only reason that has got me to that point is the evident hate of Turkish speaking Cypriots towards Greek speaking Cypriots and the lack of understanding or appreciation what thousands of refugees are going through.

I care about other and I respect others, however I will not respect those who continually throw nothing but hate towards my community. Your coments about the churhes was a right down insensitive and careless. I have never in my posts satated that I do not support the embargo, as long as refugees are denied their right of return and their land is being sold off I support the RoC's push for economic isolations of the trnc. Nothing has changed. I care about people because if you saw my post to Niiitas I am advocating for the church to build accommodation for those TC's who are refugees from the south and furthermore my posts asks as to whetehr than action ought to take place before unification talks or after. Yes The RoC can do more to accommodate TC's and am waiting.

Look at my posts about my recent trip to the trnc and see my coments on the state of churchs. A church may not be your sacred place of worhsip but it sure as hell is one of the places I would like to go and pary now the as is a mosque and I would feel the same way if that had been destroyed, thankfully we are civilised enough not to have ruined Cypriot mosques and if we have they have now bwwn restored. If only you afforded us same respect.

I fail to see how my moods afect the agenda for the day. You made a disrespectful coment and I responded that I found it rude insensitive and as per usualk full of hate. You do not like this so you attack as per usual.

Your community suffered in 63 no doubt, so did mine. Your stuck on the same record and hence we'll get no where. I agree with you on partition am moody, I push for unification am an idealist utopian moron, well am sorry but yu are not going to silence me.

Here it is again, I hate Turkey and its invasion of Cyprus. I agree with economic embargos on trnc because it is illegal and it violates human rights, I am supporting unification though partition could also be considered at this stage. Rights of return for refugess end of embargoes.

Care to respond on your views about the Cypriot Church's offer to build accommodation for TC refugees currently in GC property I would like to hear about it. If and am sure you'll atack further well go for it I wil consider whether I respond.

[zan]

BOOHOO to Zan and his earlier coment .......... you have invaded, pillaged, raped and killed and destroyed chrurhes. You have no sanctity man.


Regardless I find that the churches offer to build homes for TC refugees is a positive step taken yet again to normalise relaionships between the two communities. A humane action taken by a peave loving country one moving toward unification. What the Turkish side done to encourage moves to unifiy ther Island. Othere than rhetoric and bullshit by Talat in his presence in Ankara???????????????

You could be right and I am sorry........I should have encouraged my brother inlaws brother, once his lorry had finally fallen to bits and he could not replace either the parts or the lorry it self because there was no work for him to do due to embargoes, to stand vigil outside the churches and protect them for you. After all....He had nothing better to do than to worry about where the next piece of food was going to come from to feed his family....


Try being ashamed of the siege hat we have been held under for over 40 years and I might worry about simple if important buildings.

Zan there are major contradictions in your story.

VP who supposedly lives in the north, is telling us everyone is doing well, prospering and sticking two fingers up to the south in their joyous wealth. You on the other hand who lives in the UK, tells us they are starving.

One of you is telling fibs. Which version is correct?

Are the TCs stinking rich or starving?

You have got your answer from umit above......Do you guys really not understand or are you just yanking our chains??? A recent boom on property does not cancel out what happened in the recent past and does not excuse the embargoes on tourism and our education system.