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[phoenix]

OH BOOHOO!!! Churches being destroyed Shame you don,t cry as much for all the TCs you massacred hey!!!!!

Zan,

I don't believe you are such am empty person to condone such acts.

We both agree that there were mass killings on both sides right, so come on don't keep on playing that card mate, its sounds like the broken record it is.

Bottom line is, do you honestly agree with such actions that Turkey has taken against us? Really ? Any, sensible, logical thinking person would or should be discusted at such acts. I would be upset if any place of worship was desacrated like these have been.

Come on, you must at least see that much. Just cut out the playground arguements and answer me honestly on this one.

Do You agree with the way our churches have been treated ?

You honest answer is most welcome.

Your beliefs are right mate and it breaks my heart to see these buildings destroyed but it also breaks my heart to see you guys put these buildings in front of he TC people as a matter of importance. The lack of money for such projects is the real deal and if tourism was allowed then these would be restored without a moments hesitation I am sure. The fact that you guys are taking he situation and seeing something else is the saddest part. I love Churches as buildings and appreciate what hey stand or as well but the crocodile tears of some on this subject is sickening.

Typical Zanman response, blame the Greek Cypriots. It costs nothing to leave the churches alone and not loot them. You could have just locked them up in 1974 and either let them fall down or allow GCs maintenence access, alternatively you could have used the proceeds of the stolen icons to repair them yourselves, CRETIN!

Oh right.......While those that bomb and shoot each other in the south always pay their taxes.......The point was...As you obviously missed it.....The churches are not the priority. So simple that even you should be able to get it.......The looting.........How is it that the USA has been asked to stop the trade of Cypriot coins that come from the "RoC" side of the island then......Wasn't it Matsakis that had hundreds of relics in his possession as well and was arrested for it.....How soon they forget.... You people make me laugh...Hold us under siege for 40 years plus and expect us to sit about in our tents and rot........Not going o happen baby...We waited for years for you to come to your senses and now the gloves are off......No siege no embargoes no isolation.......Worry about your churches and shed crocodile tears at our leasure....Even those that have not even set foot in a church except for weddings.......

Boo Zan!

Of course the Mosques that were burned down are not there to be looted Along with village after village.......Wasn't that a picture of Bir sitting outside his derelict house in one of these threads......Let's get some perspective on this shall we

I was only boo-ing the attitude Zan ... and more because it didn't sound like you in your right frame of mind.

Of course I would abhor any desecration of any Cultural history . . . but I am not aware of any Mosques deliberately ruined ...

Phoenix mou, seek and ye shall find. I did suggest, on your tour you could take notes? Perhaps?

Deniz, I still can't find any accounts of deliberate destruction of mosques by GCs . . . .

Ofcourse not. What accounts are you after ? Written ones? Oh yes Mr. Christos pulled down 2 mosques in the Larnaca district on such and such date. Written and published. On yer bike girl. Halil has quite a few documented video recordings. But you are not talking anymore.

Halil was challenged on his evidence in various threads and none of his sources proved reliable . . . but yes unfortunately we "spark" so much we are better not posting to each other . . . until we meet and our Human sides take over and we will wonder what all the fuss was about

[oranos64]

OH BOOHOO!!! Churches being destroyed Shame you don,t cry as much for all the TCs you massacred hey!!!!!

Zan,

I don't believe you are such am empty person to condone such acts.

We both agree that there were mass killings on both sides right, so come on don't keep on playing that card mate, its sounds like the broken record it is.

Bottom line is, do you honestly agree with such actions that Turkey has taken against us? Really ? Any, sensible, logical thinking person would or should be discusted at such acts. I would be upset if any place of worship was desacrated like these have been.

Come on, you must at least see that much. Just cut out the playground arguements and answer me honestly on this one.

Do You agree with the way our churches have been treated ?

You honest answer is most welcome.

Your beliefs are right mate and it breaks my heart to see these buildings destroyed but it also breaks my heart to see you guys put these buildings in front of he TC people as a matter of importance. The lack of money for such projects is the real deal and if tourism was allowed then these would be restored without a moments hesitation I am sure. The fact that you guys are taking he situation and seeing something else is the saddest part. I love Churches as buildings and appreciate what hey stand or as well but the crocodile tears of some on this subject is sickening.

Typical Zanman response, blame the Greek Cypriots. It costs nothing to leave the churches alone and not loot them. You could have just locked them up in 1974 and either let them fall down or allow GCs maintenence access, alternatively you could have used the proceeds of the stolen icons to repair them yourselves, CRETIN!

Oh right.......While those that bomb and shoot each other in the south always pay their taxes.......The point was...As you obviously missed it.....The churches are not the priority. So simple that even you should be able to get it.......The looting.........How is it that the USA has been asked to stop the trade of Cypriot coins that come from the "RoC" side of the island then......Wasn't it Matsakis that had hundreds of relics in his possession as well and was arrested for it.....How soon they forget.... You people make me laugh...Hold us under siege for 40 years plus and expect us to sit about in our tents and rot........Not going o happen baby...We waited for years for you to come to your senses and now the gloves are off......No siege no embargoes no isolation.......Worry about your churches and shed crocodile tears at our leasure....Even those that have not even set foot in a church except for weddings.......

Boo Zan!

Of course the Mosques that were burned down are not there to be looted Along with village after village.......Wasn't that a picture of Bir sitting outside his derelict house in one of these threads......Let's get some perspective on this shall we

I was only boo-ing the attitude Zan ... and more because it didn't sound like you in your right frame of mind.

Of course I would abhor any desecration of any Cultural history . . . but I am not aware of any Mosques deliberately ruined ...

Phoenix mou, seek and ye shall find. I did suggest, on your tour you could take notes? Perhaps?

Deniz, I still can't find any accounts of deliberate destruction of mosques by GCs . . . .

Ofcourse not. What accounts are you after ? Written ones? Oh yes Mr. Christos pulled down 2 mosques in the Larnaca district on such and such date. Written and published. On yer bike girl. Halil has quite a few documented video recordings. But you are not talking anymore.

what a load of tosh ,,,,,

the mosques in larnaca and sub districts have all been assessed and checked for aging damage and three of them have had over 200k spent on them to fix/paint ,,,,the U.N has a list of them submitted by the ROC ,,,

i myself live 5 minutes away from one and it is well kept and a egyphtian guy who looks after it opens it for his moslem breathen when needed ...he asked me to lend him my camera to photograph some of artworks/wall designs being a i have a red eye sony digital pro camera ,,,

you TCs on this forum ,,,need to look at your own deeds first ,,,the lot of you know full well the TRNC ,,,systematicly went through a phase of wiping all evidence of greek history and greek art from your stolen lands in the mid 80s ,,,

just visitng salamis ,,,,and anyone can see that ,,,,,you even went as far as trying to burn greek text from the mosiacs there .,,,,

hardly principle actions are they ,,,,,barbarians ,,,,

[denizaksulu]

OH BOOHOO!!! Churches being destroyed Shame you don,t cry as much for all the TCs you massacred hey!!!!!

Zan,

I don't believe you are such am empty person to condone such acts.

We both agree that there were mass killings on both sides right, so come on don't keep on playing that card mate, its sounds like the broken record it is.

Bottom line is, do you honestly agree with such actions that Turkey has taken against us? Really ? Any, sensible, logical thinking person would or should be discusted at such acts. I would be upset if any place of worship was desacrated like these have been.

Come on, you must at least see that much. Just cut out the playground arguements and answer me honestly on this one.

Do You agree with the way our churches have been treated ?

You honest answer is most welcome.

Your beliefs are right mate and it breaks my heart to see these buildings destroyed but it also breaks my heart to see you guys put these buildings in front of he TC people as a matter of importance. The lack of money for such projects is the real deal and if tourism was allowed then these would be restored without a moments hesitation I am sure. The fact that you guys are taking he situation and seeing something else is the saddest part. I love Churches as buildings and appreciate what hey stand or as well but the crocodile tears of some on this subject is sickening.

Typical Zanman response, blame the Greek Cypriots. It costs nothing to leave the churches alone and not loot them. You could have just locked them up in 1974 and either let them fall down or allow GCs maintenence access, alternatively you could have used the proceeds of the stolen icons to repair them yourselves, CRETIN!

Oh right.......While those that bomb and shoot each other in the south always pay their taxes.......The point was...As you obviously missed it.....The churches are not the priority. So simple that even you should be able to get it.......The looting.........How is it that the USA has been asked to stop the trade of Cypriot coins that come from the "RoC" side of the island then......Wasn't it Matsakis that had hundreds of relics in his possession as well and was arrested for it.....How soon they forget.... You people make me laugh...Hold us under siege for 40 years plus and expect us to sit about in our tents and rot........Not going o happen baby...We waited for years for you to come to your senses and now the gloves are off......No siege no embargoes no isolation.......Worry about your churches and shed crocodile tears at our leasure....Even those that have not even set foot in a church except for weddings.......

Boo Zan!

Of course the Mosques that were burned down are not there to be looted Along with village after village.......Wasn't that a picture of Bir sitting outside his derelict house in one of these threads......Let's get some perspective on this shall we

I was only boo-ing the attitude Zan ... and more because it didn't sound like you in your right frame of mind.

Of course I would abhor any desecration of any Cultural history . . . but I am not aware of any Mosques deliberately ruined ...

Phoenix mou, seek and ye shall find. I did suggest, on your tour you could take notes? Perhaps?

Deniz, I still can't find any accounts of deliberate destruction of mosques by GCs . . . .

Ofcourse not. What accounts are you after ? Written ones? Oh yes Mr. Christos pulled down 2 mosques in the Larnaca district on such and such date. Written and published. On yer bike girl. Halil has quite a few documented video recordings. But you are not talking anymore.

what a load of tosh ,,,,,

the mosques in larnaca and sub districts have all been assessed and checked for aging damage and three of them have had over 200k spent on them to fix/paint ,,,,the U.N has a list of them submitted by the ROC ,,,

i myself live 5 minutes away from one and it is well kept and a egyphtian guy who looks after it opens it for his moslem breathen when needed ...he asked me to lend him my camera to photograph some of artworks/wall designs being a i have a red eye sony digital pro camera ,,,

you TCs on this forum ,,,need to look at your own deeds first ,,,the lot of you know full well the TRNC ,,,systematicly went through a phase of wiping all evidence of greek history and greek art from your stolen lands in the mid 80s ,,,

just visitng salamis ,,,,and anyone can see that ,,,,,you even went as far as trying to burn greek text from the mosiacs there .,,,,

hardly principle actions are they ,,,,,barbarians ,,,,

Oranos, I have to go to bed, so I have not read your full response.

The names and places were purely arbitrary. Fictional. I am sorry if I have misled you.

I bid all good night. I hope my wife hasnt locked me out of the bedroom, otherwise its the sofa again.

[oranos64]

OH BOOHOO!!! Churches being destroyed Shame you don,t cry as much for all the TCs you massacred hey!!!!!

Zan,

I don't believe you are such am empty person to condone such acts.

We both agree that there were mass killings on both sides right, so come on don't keep on playing that card mate, its sounds like the broken record it is.

Bottom line is, do you honestly agree with such actions that Turkey has taken against us? Really ? Any, sensible, logical thinking person would or should be discusted at such acts. I would be upset if any place of worship was desacrated like these have been.

Come on, you must at least see that much. Just cut out the playground arguements and answer me honestly on this one.

Do You agree with the way our churches have been treated ?

You honest answer is most welcome.

Your beliefs are right mate and it breaks my heart to see these buildings destroyed but it also breaks my heart to see you guys put these buildings in front of he TC people as a matter of importance. The lack of money for such projects is the real deal and if tourism was allowed then these would be restored without a moments hesitation I am sure. The fact that you guys are taking he situation and seeing something else is the saddest part. I love Churches as buildings and appreciate what hey stand or as well but the crocodile tears of some on this subject is sickening.

Typical Zanman response, blame the Greek Cypriots. It costs nothing to leave the churches alone and not loot them. You could have just locked them up in 1974 and either let them fall down or allow GCs maintenence access, alternatively you could have used the proceeds of the stolen icons to repair them yourselves, CRETIN!

Oh right.......While those that bomb and shoot each other in the south always pay their taxes.......The point was...As you obviously missed it.....The churches are not the priority. So simple that even you should be able to get it.......The looting.........How is it that the USA has been asked to stop the trade of Cypriot coins that come from the "RoC" side of the island then......Wasn't it Matsakis that had hundreds of relics in his possession as well and was arrested for it.....How soon they forget.... You people make me laugh...Hold us under siege for 40 years plus and expect us to sit about in our tents and rot........Not going o happen baby...We waited for years for you to come to your senses and now the gloves are off......No siege no embargoes no isolation.......Worry about your churches and shed crocodile tears at our leasure....Even those that have not even set foot in a church except for weddings.......

Boo Zan!

Of course the Mosques that were burned down are not there to be looted Along with village after village.......Wasn't that a picture of Bir sitting outside his derelict house in one of these threads......Let's get some perspective on this shall we

I was only boo-ing the attitude Zan ... and more because it didn't sound like you in your right frame of mind.

Of course I would abhor any desecration of any Cultural history . . . but I am not aware of any Mosques deliberately ruined ...

Phoenix mou, seek and ye shall find. I did suggest, on your tour you could take notes? Perhaps?

Deniz, I still can't find any accounts of deliberate destruction of mosques by GCs . . . .

Ofcourse not. What accounts are you after ? Written ones? Oh yes Mr. Christos pulled down 2 mosques in the Larnaca district on such and such date. Written and published. On yer bike girl. Halil has quite a few documented video recordings. But you are not talking anymore.

Halil was challenged on his evidence in various threads and none of his sources proved reliable . . . but yes unfortunately we "spark" so much we are better not posting to each other . . . until we meet and our Human sides take over and we will wonder what all the fuss was about


who cars the guys a prick ,,,evidence my ass ,,,ive seen so many images faked by the TRNC its a joke ,,,,, two weeks a go i saw some cleve work by bosnian moslems to back their claims that a mosque was destroyed by serbs

the mosque was a serb chruch and the images forged ,,,,,yes i agree the tc are making amends to greek chruches they gutted and destroyed but so what ,,,at no time at all did the greek cypriots turn any mosques into cattle sheds ,desircrate mosques ,steal artifacts inside nor burn etc the said buildings ,,,whilst i have countless images and video of the TRNC doing this to both chruches and anything on their side with a cross

any TC telling me that their authroties and milltary did not actively encourage this kind of vile acts is a lier

furthermore ,,,check the current crop of TRNC flags on mountains and hills sprouting up and expanding in size

yes defintely the TRNC want peace ,,,if it gurantees them E.U membership

take that item off the table ,,,and see how quickly the meetings dont proceed ,,,,,,

[oranos64]

OH BOOHOO!!! Churches being destroyed Shame you don,t cry as much for all the TCs you massacred hey!!!!!

Zan,

I don't believe you are such am empty person to condone such acts.

We both agree that there were mass killings on both sides right, so come on don't keep on playing that card mate, its sounds like the broken record it is.

Bottom line is, do you honestly agree with such actions that Turkey has taken against us? Really ? Any, sensible, logical thinking person would or should be discusted at such acts. I would be upset if any place of worship was desacrated like these have been.

Come on, you must at least see that much. Just cut out the playground arguements and answer me honestly on this one.

Do You agree with the way our churches have been treated ?

You honest answer is most welcome.

Your beliefs are right mate and it breaks my heart to see these buildings destroyed but it also breaks my heart to see you guys put these buildings in front of he TC people as a matter of importance. The lack of money for such projects is the real deal and if tourism was allowed then these would be restored without a moments hesitation I am sure. The fact that you guys are taking he situation and seeing something else is the saddest part. I love Churches as buildings and appreciate what hey stand or as well but the crocodile tears of some on this subject is sickening.

Typical Zanman response, blame the Greek Cypriots. It costs nothing to leave the churches alone and not loot them. You could have just locked them up in 1974 and either let them fall down or allow GCs maintenence access, alternatively you could have used the proceeds of the stolen icons to repair them yourselves, CRETIN!

Oh right.......While those that bomb and shoot each other in the south always pay their taxes.......The point was...As you obviously missed it.....The churches are not the priority. So simple that even you should be able to get it.......The looting.........How is it that the USA has been asked to stop the trade of Cypriot coins that come from the "RoC" side of the island then......Wasn't it Matsakis that had hundreds of relics in his possession as well and was arrested for it.....How soon they forget.... You people make me laugh...Hold us under siege for 40 years plus and expect us to sit about in our tents and rot........Not going o happen baby...We waited for years for you to come to your senses and now the gloves are off......No siege no embargoes no isolation.......Worry about your churches and shed crocodile tears at our leasure....Even those that have not even set foot in a church except for weddings.......

Boo Zan!

Of course the Mosques that were burned down are not there to be looted Along with village after village.......Wasn't that a picture of Bir sitting outside his derelict house in one of these threads......Let's get some perspective on this shall we

I was only boo-ing the attitude Zan ... and more because it didn't sound like you in your right frame of mind.

Of course I would abhor any desecration of any Cultural history . . . but I am not aware of any Mosques deliberately ruined ...

Phoenix mou, seek and ye shall find. I did suggest, on your tour you could take notes? Perhaps?

Deniz, I still can't find any accounts of deliberate destruction of mosques by GCs . . . .

Ofcourse not. What accounts are you after ? Written ones? Oh yes Mr. Christos pulled down 2 mosques in the Larnaca district on such and such date. Written and published. On yer bike girl. Halil has quite a few documented video recordings. But you are not talking anymore.

what a load of tosh ,,,,,

the mosques in larnaca and sub districts have all been assessed and checked for aging damage and three of them have had over 200k spent on them to fix/paint ,,,,the U.N has a list of them submitted by the ROC ,,,

i myself live 5 minutes away from one and it is well kept and a egyphtian guy who looks after it opens it for his moslem breathen when needed ...he asked me to lend him my camera to photograph some of artworks/wall designs being a i have a red eye sony digital pro camera ,,,

you TCs on this forum ,,,need to look at your own deeds first ,,,the lot of you know full well the TRNC ,,,systematicly went through a phase of wiping all evidence of greek history and greek art from your stolen lands in the mid 80s ,,,

just visitng salamis ,,,,and anyone can see that ,,,,,you even went as far as trying to burn greek text from the mosiacs there .,,,,

hardly principle actions are they ,,,,,barbarians ,,,,

Oranos, I have to go to bed, so I have not read your full response.

The names and places were purely arbitrary. Fictional. I am sorry if I have misled you.

I bid all good night. I hope my wife hasnt locked me out of the bedroom, otherwise its the sofa again.

if you was a true cyp ..,,you would kick the door in and ravage her

never mind sit on the sofa and play online poker with some blond in poland

yep me too french mate will be round in min for some horizontal jogging ,,,best have another shower ,,,

[Gabira]

First gc's rape us of our basic human rights & our economy, then they request that we spend money on their killing machine to keep them alive...hilarious stuff

Recognition of TRNC = Restoration of Churches

See...very simple.

Don't need 30 pages to try and justify how to revive the murderous greek orthodox smelly churches.

[humanist]

BOOHOO to Zan and his earlier coment .......... you have invaded, pillaged, raped and killed and destroyed chrurhes. You have no sanctity man.


Regardless I find that the churches offer to build homes for TC refugees is a positive step taken yet again to normalise relaionships between the two communities. A humane action taken by a peave loving country one moving toward unification. What the Turkish side done to encourage moves to unifiy ther Island. Othere than rhetoric and bullshit by Talat in his presence in Ankara???????????????

[humanist]

There is something else the archbishop said on RIKSat news which I did not see in the article. He said that if the TCs want to remain in the north that is their choice, but not in GC homes, the Cyprus Church is willing to finance the building of homes for them, but GC properties must be returned.

Nikitas I embarce the offer taken on behalf of the church to rehouse TC refugees in the North, I think there are many positive aspects to this move and one is the acknowledgement that for whatever reason TC's do not necessarily want to move to their ancestral homes situated in the south. For example the widows of Tochni. This is a great opportunity to say to people we listen to your concerns.

My question open to discussion, when should thia action take place as part of a solution to the whole Cypro or as a step to a possile solution and why. My concerns are that if the action occurs as part of the solution what guarantees does the Turkish side give that no greek Cypriot refugee property will not be auctioned off to the highest British pig beater of Israelite wanker. or would thew support of Turkish speaking brothers/ sisters who receive one of these new dwellings be required to dob in sellers of Greek speaking Refugee property and the trnc administration to impose severe punishment for such action, something ofcourse that the Talata admisnistaration is incapable of doing as they encourage the sale of greek refugee land and property.

[Nikitas]

Andreas,

The church case when it comes to the court will have a totally different legal basis than the individual property cases that the court has dealt with so far. The church is not a dwelling which could have been sold to third parties who claim innocence, nor can the church be used to house refugees. A church is a church is a church and it will be very hard to justify holding on to it.

I note that the church is not demanding compensation for the damage or theft, the claim as I understood it, it is for return of the church to the Church authority and no more. It will be intersting to hear the objections that can be raised to such a claim.

And above all I want to hear what that "lady" who bought the Fterihou church and turned it into a private museum where she charges entry fees will say. I am not a religious person, so I do not feel indignation for her desecrating a church. It is more that the church is communal property and all Cypriots know this, and they knew it when they were selling that church.

[zan]

BOOHOO to Zan and his earlier coment .......... you have invaded, pillaged, raped and killed and destroyed chrurhes. You have no sanctity man.


Regardless I find that the churches offer to build homes for TC refugees is a positive step taken yet again to normalise relaionships between the two communities. A humane action taken by a peave loving country one moving toward unification. What the Turkish side done to encourage moves to unifiy ther Island. Othere than rhetoric and bullshit by Talat in his presence in Ankara???????????????

You could be right and I am sorry........I should have encouraged my brother inlaws brother, once his lorry had finally fallen to bits and he could not replace either the parts or the lorry it self because there was no work for him to do due to embargoes, to stand vigil outside the churches and protect them for you. After all....He had nothing better to do than to worry about where the next piece of food was going to come from to feed his family....


Try being ashamed of the siege hat we have been held under for over 40 years and I might worry about simple if important buildings.