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[Kikapu]

Kikapu

Well VP, you have never complained about not wanting to have English, Italian, Russian, German or any other language spoken around you or your children, only Greek, so stands the reason why your comments are viewed as being Racist.

I didnt complain about these languages as they would be spoken by people sparodically no as the main language, where everywhere is plastered in Greek, I want the option to live like today in my country where my language is the main language, if thats being racists then the whole world is the same.

I'm glad you have clarified, that "muzzles" will not be required by the GC's if they wish to live in the North. It will not happen anyway, unless it will be under a True Democratic country in the future for the GC's wanting to move back into their own properties in the North.

You right they will live under TC democracy and human rights, like me they will have the choice where they wish to live north or south.

That was an easy "cop out" for not wanting to answer a serious question. Do you deny, that you have some "Greek Blood" in you.??

The post was crap so why waste time answering as this is something I do not know anything about so cannot comment, but I wouldnt have a problem with having GC blood because it smore important how your view yourself today, plus my parents could not speak Greek but my faterinlaw can, that any good?

Actually VP, I do not know, and if you read what I have asked you to read, you would not be making big a fool of yourself.

You should you are the one whos has lived abroad for 43 years and mixed with "foreign blood" isnt your current partner Swiss?dont you have any children from this spouse or previous ones?

Amazing just how quickly you lose your train of thought.!!

It is the Cousin's husband VP, the Cousin's husband.!!!!

This is what the Cousin's husband had said back in April of 2007 which you yourself had said very much the same things since then.

Questions and answers are paraphrased.

What the Cousin's husband said:

1. Even though, that the "TRNC" was no longer selling GC properties openly, it was still possible to buy GC land. If I one was interested in buying GC land, it can be arranged.

What VP said:

1. One can buy or exchange GC land if you know the right people in the "TRNC government", and that it happens all the time.

Cousin's husband said:

2. After 50 years, the North will be separated from the South, almost automatically just because of lapsed time.

VP said:

2. Once the present generation dies, future generations will not even have known that there ever was a one Cyprus.

Cousin's husband said:

3. We have no intentions ever going back to live in the South now or in the future.

VP said:

3. I will move my family from Cyprus before I will live in the South, despite owning land in the South.

Cousin's husband said:

4. Turkey will never give up Northern Cyprus.

VP said:

4. We will never be under a GC rule again. If we went back to the past, the last 34 years would have been in vain.

Cousin's husband said:

5. We only voted YES for the AP itself and not for peace.

VP said:

We gave a resounding yes to AP.

These are the similar comments made by you two individuals VP. You know damn well, that the AP was not a long lasting peace but a quick fix for short term for others to benefit from it, before the whole AP would have fallen apart leading to further and more serious problems in Cyprus. So yes, in your mind you must have known, that a resounding Yes on AP was not a vote for a long lasting Peace.

Now, kindly answer my question.

Well done, appears you have learned some manners, I knew you could do it if you tried and went back and did some homework, the connection between sentences is very vague and taken out of context but to keep you happy lets say you mixed and matched well. took you long enough.

Out of courtesy my answer is freedom to move around the whole island.

VP,

Listen, I've answered your question and I did not need to look up any of the information. I know what you write and if I read it, I would remember it. I could have given you the same answers last week, but you did not answer my question regarding this.

I tell you what VP. Why don't you give me one example in favour of the "TRNC" that does not violate Human Rights and Democratic Rights of all Cypriots in Cyprus, because I can't come up with one, so why don't you show us how smart you are, and just give us ONE and stop asking others to do the impossible.

........and the answer you gave was this "Out of courtesy my answer is freedom to move around the whole island".????

Are you really serious. It took you a whole week to come up with that answer, which is not even accurate. Freedom of movement means one can go any place they wish to without,

a) Having to show ID.

b) Having limited time to stay before needing to move.

c) Having no access to ones property.

d) Having denied employment.

........etc, etc, etc, etc.

(Kikapu) who has not supported one single argument in favor of TCs, you have been totally exposed

I hope you will now stop asking me this stupid question above from now on, since you yourself cannot answer it.

You right they will live under TC democracy and human rights, like me they will have the choice where they wish to live north or south.

I was actually talking about True Democracy, but I'm sure subconsciously you gave me a TC Democracy instead, what ever the hell that is, I have no idea. Perhaps it was the same "Democracy" that was written in the Annan Plan for the TC State, which had a lot of Racist, Undemocratic and Human Rights violations. I hope your TC Democracy was not the same as "Annan's Democracy".

You should you are the one whos has lived abroad for 43 years and mixed with "foreign blood" isnt your current partner Swiss?dont you have any children from this spouse or previous ones?

You need to read what I've asked you to read in order for you to stop making assumptions and looking silly.

The post was crap so why waste time answering as this is something I do not know anything about so cannot comment, but I wouldnt have a problem with having GC blood because it smore important how your view yourself today, plus my parents could not speak Greek but my faterinlaw can, that any good?

Totally shocked, that your parents who came from the South of the island, do not speak any Greek at all. Perhaps they moved to England at much earlier date, before 1960 Independence for Cyprus, which would be at very young age for both of them.???

Here's something for you to read again, since you have forgotten that you took part in this conversation way back.

A study carried out in 1990 examined the blood samples of 116 TCs,303GCs,235 Mainland Turks and 174 mainland Greeks.This was done in the USA by DrErol Baysal under the supervision of Professor Huisman (an American) and with contributions of English,turkish,Cypriot and Greek scientists.

The result showed that DNA genes of the TCS and GCs were not as close as expected to their respective "motherlands"Turkey and Greece,but belonged to the same Cypriot gene pool which was not similar to any gene pool in the region.
"This was normal and expected," said Dr Baysal," and could be explained by the fact that Cyprus was an island community".

This study was published in "the British Journal of Haematology" in 1992.
Dr Erol Baysal is a DNA expert with similar studies in many parts of the world including Europe,Asia,Middle East,Far East,North Africa,and the USA.

He was born in Nicosia in 1960,studied in England and America,and was once the head of DNA section of the biggest Thalasemmy centre in the USA.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ic+reserch

I want to end this "merry-go-around" with you before Birkibrisli comes back in the next couple of days to continue with the original topic for this thread, or else he is going to kick both our butts for diverting from the topic, so give me a quick reply if you need to and lets move on.

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A study carried out in 1990 examined the blood samples of 116 TCs,303GCs,235 Mainland Turks and 174 mainland Greeks.This was done in the USA by DrErol Baysal under the supervision of Professor Huisman (an American) and with contributions of English,turkish,Cypriot and Greek scientists.

The result showed that DNA genes of the TCS and GCs were not as close as expected to their respective "motherlands"Turkey and Greece,but belonged to the same Cypriot gene pool which was not similar to any gene pool in the region.
"This was normal and expected," said Dr Baysal," and could be explained by the fact that Cyprus was an island community".

This study was published in "the British Journal of Haematology" in 1992.
Dr Erol Baysal is a DNA expert with similar studies in many parts of the world including Europe,Asia,Middle East,Far East,North Africa,and the USA.

He was born in Nicosia in 1960,studied in England and America,and was once the head of DNA section of the biggest Thalasemmy centre in the USA.

That finding is going to upset a few people.

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Kikapu

VP,

Listen, I've answered your question and I did not need to look up any of the information. I know what you write and if I read it, I would remember it. I could have given you the same answers last week, but you did not answer my question regarding this.

This is getting very childish, but I asked first its only polite to answer then ask a question, just like a true GC you hold to ransom the poster and only respond if you get what you want first, isn't that selfish and despot of you?

........and the answer you gave was this "Out of courtesy my answer is freedom to move around the whole island".????

Are you really serious. It took you a whole week to come up with that answer, which is not even accurate. Freedom of movement means one can go any place they wish to without,

a) Having to show ID.

b) Having limited time to stay before needing to move.

c) Having no access to ones property.

d) Having denied employment.

........etc, etc, etc, etc.

You asked for one and I provided it why are you so excited to prove me wrong, I thought of something that you could not because you have blinkered vision when it comes to the TRNC due to your biased mindset that everything GC is right and everything Tc is automatically wrong.

Do you show your passport when travelling to Japan?

Do you not have to get a visa for hundreds of countries around the world with a time limit attached?

Do you have disputed property in Australia?

Can you automatically work in India without a work permit?

These restrictions are nothing new and exist all around the world, when applied by TCs doesn't make them wrong, you need to realize this fact and accept that recognized or not we are a different country and you have to abide by our laws when you visit just like we do when we visit other countries.

[denizaksulu]

A study carried out in 1990 examined the blood samples of 116 TCs,303GCs,235 Mainland Turks and 174 mainland Greeks.This was done in the USA by DrErol Baysal under the supervision of Professor Huisman (an American) and with contributions of English,turkish,Cypriot and Greek scientists.

The result showed that DNA genes of the TCS and GCs were not as close as expected to their respective "motherlands"Turkey and Greece,but belonged to the same Cypriot gene pool which was not similar to any gene pool in the region.
"This was normal and expected," said Dr Baysal," and could be explained by the fact that Cyprus was an island community".

This study was published in "the British Journal of Haematology" in 1992.
Dr Erol Baysal is a DNA expert with similar studies in many parts of the world including Europe,Asia,Middle East,Far East,North Africa,and the USA.

He was born in Nicosia in 1960,studied in England and America,and was once the head of DNA section of the biggest Thalasemmy centre in the USA.

That finding is going to upset a few people.

Its that old saying again. 'They who tell the truth are chased away from 9 villages'. The fact is many, even village people know where they are 'from'. As they say, ' t'is a well known secret'. We are still proud for whatever we are.

[Nikitas]

Pyro and Deniz,


I did try a while back to start a thread regarding the class aspects and how they contribute to the Cyprus issue, but seems everyone here is stuck on ethnic issues. So in this thread I will keep my comments short waiting for Bir to continue his fascinating topic.

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Kikapu part 2

I hope you will now stop asking me this stupid question above from now on, since you yourself cannot answer it.

I have answered and it changed nothing as youar a GC who is racist against TCs.

I was actually talking about True Democracy, but I'm sure subconsciously you gave me a TC Democracy instead, what ever the hell that is, I have no idea. Perhaps it was the same "Democracy" that was written in the Annan Plan for the TC State, which had a lot of Racist, Undemocratic and Human Rights violations. I hope your TC Democracy was not the same as "Annan's Democracy".

There are many versions of democracy all over the world and there is not one perfect example, so the TC version should not be a suprise when compared to other countires there wil always be those that asminister better and worse than TRNC. Your biased mind automatically tells you that if its the TRNC it must be wrong.

Totally shocked, that your parents who came from the South of the island, do not speak any Greek at all. Perhaps they moved to England at much earlier date, before 1960 Independence for Cyprus, which would be at very young age for both of them.???

If it doesnt fit into your limited perception then of course people like you are shocked, there any many older generation TCs that cannot speak Greek.

Here's something for you to read again, since you have forgotten that you took part in this conversation way back.

Quote:
A study carried out in 1990 examined the blood samples of 116 TCs,303GCs,235 Mainland Turks and 174 mainland Greeks.This was done in the USA by DrErol Baysal under the supervision of Professor Huisman (an American) and with contributions of English,turkish,Cypriot and Greek scientists.

The result showed that DNA genes of the TCS and GCs were not as close as expected to their respective "motherlands"Turkey and Greece,but belonged to the same Cypriot gene pool which was not similar to any gene pool in the region.
"This was normal and expected," said Dr Baysal," and could be explained by the fact that Cyprus was an island community".

This study was published in "the British Journal of Haematology" in 1992.
Dr Erol Baysal is a DNA expert with similar studies in many parts of the world including Europe,Asia,Middle East,Far East,North Africa,and the USA.

He was born in Nicosia in 1960,studied in England and America,and was once the head of DNA section of the biggest Thalasemmy centre in the USA.

So ? whats your point?

I want to end this "merry-go-around" with you before Birkibrisli comes back in the next couple of days to continue with the original topic for this thread, or else he is going to kick both our butts for diverting from the topic, so give me a quick reply if you need to and lets move on.

I have given you the answers you deserve now move on.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

VP,

Listen, I've answered your question and I did not need to look up any of the information. I know what you write and if I read it, I would remember it. I could have given you the same answers last week, but you did not answer my question regarding this.

This is getting very childish, but I asked first its only polite to answer then ask a question, just like a true GC you hold to ransom the poster and only respond if you get what you want first, isn't that selfish and despot of you?

........and the answer you gave was this "Out of courtesy my answer is freedom to move around the whole island".????

Are you really serious. It took you a whole week to come up with that answer, which is not even accurate. Freedom of movement means one can go any place they wish to without,

a) Having to show ID.

b) Having limited time to stay before needing to move.

c) Having no access to ones property.

d) Having denied employment.

........etc, etc, etc, etc.

You asked for one and I provided it why are you so excited to prove me wrong, I thought of something that you could not because you have blinkered vision when it comes to the TRNC due to your biased mindset that everything GC is right and everything Tc is automatically wrong.

Do you show your passport when travelling to Japan?

Do you not have to get a visa for hundreds of countries around the world with a time limit attached?

Do you have disputed property in Australia?

Can you automatically work in India without a work permit?

These restrictions are nothing new and exist all around the world, when applied by TCs doesn't make them wrong, you need to realize this fact and accept that recognized or not we are a different country and you have to abide by our laws when you visit just like we do when we visit other countries.

VP,

I'll keep my comments short.

I was not trying to prove you wrong but rather let you see that no matter which "one example in favour of the "TRNC" you asked from me to tell you", can only happen if the Human & Democratic Rights of all Cypriots are violated.!!

That was the point I was trying to make.!!

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Kikapu

VP,

Listen, I've answered your question and I did not need to look up any of the information. I know what you write and if I read it, I would remember it. I could have given you the same answers last week, but you did not answer my question regarding this.

This is getting very childish, but I asked first its only polite to answer then ask a question, just like a true GC you hold to ransom the poster and only respond if you get what you want first, isn't that selfish and despot of you?

........and the answer you gave was this "Out of courtesy my answer is freedom to move around the whole island".????

Are you really serious. It took you a whole week to come up with that answer, which is not even accurate. Freedom of movement means one can go any place they wish to without,

a) Having to show ID.

b) Having limited time to stay before needing to move.

c) Having no access to ones property.

d) Having denied employment.

........etc, etc, etc, etc.

You asked for one and I provided it why are you so excited to prove me wrong, I thought of something that you could not because you have blinkered vision when it comes to the TRNC due to your biased mindset that everything GC is right and everything Tc is automatically wrong.

Do you show your passport when travelling to Japan?

Do you not have to get a visa for hundreds of countries around the world with a time limit attached?

Do you have disputed property in Australia?

Can you automatically work in India without a work permit?

These restrictions are nothing new and exist all around the world, when applied by TCs doesn't make them wrong, you need to realize this fact and accept that recognized or not we are a different country and you have to abide by our laws when you visit just like we do when we visit other countries.

VP,

I'll keep my comments short.

I was not trying to prove you wrong but rather let you see that no matter which "one example in favour of the "TRNC" you asked from me to tell you", can only happen if the Human & Democratic Rights of all Cypriots are violated.!!

That was the point I was trying to make.!!

You still have not come to terms with the island being divided, the TRNC is for Turkish Cypriots as Japan is for Japanese, now do you get it? We have never claimed to respresent Greek Cypriots its the other way around so they have to meet the resposiblities that go with that "trophy".

[Kikapu]

You still have not come to terms with the island being divided, the TRNC is for Turkish Cypriots as Japan is for Japanese, now do you get it?

As soon as the 200,000 GC's who were kicked out of their homes and land, the UN, the EU and the RoC accept the "TRNC" as a "TC country", then I too will accept it.!!

...fair enough for you VP ???.

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You still have not come to terms with the island being divided, the TRNC is for Turkish Cypriots as Japan is for Japanese, now do you get it?

As soon as the 200,000 GC's who were kicked out of their homes and land, the UN, the EU and the RoC accept the "TRNC" as a "TC country", then I too will accept it.!!

...fair enough for you VP ???.

Until that time comes you will still have to deal with the reality of what is in front you, the TRNC, you always have the option to carry on as you do today by closing your eyes but you will continue to bump into walls and fall into holes, the choice is yours.