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[MR-from-NG]

Yes I know a lot of things but I was only requested to say the wrong-doings of my own side. As you may have noticed I have not said a single word about the wrong-doings of your side. And you are such a chicken yourself you are afraid to open your mouth and tell a single word....

Whats the point Pyro? What will you or VP gain. As I see it there is too much mistrust and animosity between the communities. The vast majority of GCs will always see us as Turks and hate us with a passion. And if truth be told a vast majority of TCs will hate you guys as you are their lifelong enemies the Greeks.

Please be so kind as to tell me what the best solution would be under these circumstances.

OK Mrfromng I will tell you:
1)Religion deteriorated so much today that nobody cares.Fortunately the TCs were always atheists so this is a plus.
2)30%+ of the GCs and TCs are almost communist.They don't view the other community along ethnic lines.

From the remaining 70% we have so many educated people today who will either view people of the other community according to education rather than ethnic lines.

I estimate a percetage of about 10% Turk haters in the GC community. Nothing will change their mind at least in the short run. There must be a similar percentage among the TC community. They have no chance to prevail among the GC community.

We all know where we will end up with no solution. So it s in our best interests as Cypriots to re-unify. This re-unification has 2 aspects. The political one and the geographic one. Geographically we will be mostly living in areas where the majority is TCs/GCs respectively.What will really unite the people is the economy. If you notice carefully it was the economy that splitted the people in the 60's more than anything else.The troubles and the killings would have passed and forgotten if both communities had equal/parallel/codependent economic status.

NB. Think about it:What unites you with the British people there where you live is your economic status. If you were a poor/put aside Asian you would hate the place and the British

Good post Pyro, not a lot from my point of view that I would argue about. If the solution will ultimately see both sides geographically as they are now then why in gods name was the Annan plan overwhelmingly rejected?

Off to see mum now, later

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MR-from-NG

GrowupGC, you are the slime in a bath-tub and a venomous piece of shit. You like?

Didn't mean to insult you intentionally, just on how you believe their is no other way to go about the resolution on Cyprus except for ethnic cleansing as a final answer.

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Kikapu

Why didn't you play it really safe, and moved your family to Turkey, if you had such big fears of Greek being spoken around you and your children, and this is from a man who says the GC's can come and live under the rules of the "TRNC". I suppose you will have either "muzzles" for them to keep their mouths shut when in public, or else have signs all over the place stating "Greek language is forbidden in public places". Why don't you try another line VP.??

Why should I move to Turkey that is not my country, the TRNC is and this is where I belong, where Turkish is the main language.

You are being very idiotic again no one would be muzzled just like the English or Italians etc who visit or live in the TRNC they can speak their own language the GCs who decide to live in the TRNC can also speak their own language, what I am saying is I would like the choice to live in an area where the main language is Turkish which under unfication would be the north and if I should want to live in an environment where Greek is the main language then I would move south.

Still trying to twist and manipulate my viewpoint, it wont work people are not stupid and they can see right through your antics.

VP, tell me something. Did you hate your parents for being able to speak perfect Greek, and without any doubt also having some degree of "Greek blood" in them, much like everyone else who is from Cyprus ?. Do you hate your parents for giving you this "contaminated Greek Blood", and you are not able to handle your paranoia and admit that you are much closer to the GC's in Cyprus than your beloved Ottoman Cousins from the past. One does not live with the "Greeks" for over 400 years and not have any "Greek Blood" in them.

Total rubbish wont even bother answering this crap.

TC's and GC's have only been living in the UK, America, Australia and other places for no more than 50-60 years for the most part, and some children are 50% "foreign blood", and even 75% for their grand children.

You should know.

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VP,

The clock is ticking ... tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick.
Still waiting for your answer.

Just as soon as you answer mine, I am fully aware you are not cultured enough to understand that answering a question with a question is rude, so ı am trying to educate you. Respond to my question about proving what you claimed about me reconfiriming what your brother in law claimed and I will gladly respond to yours. You can always try to be honest for a change and say you were lieing yet again.

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Yes I know a lot of things but I was only requested to say the wrong-doings of my own side. As you may have noticed I have not said a single word about the wrong-doings of your side. And you are such a chicken yourself you are afraid to open your mouth and tell a single word....

Pyro I have no problem admitting TCs were no angels but I strongly believe that on the whole what they did was reactionary and purely to stay alive and keep their presence on the island. You were prepared to give the whole island to Greece with or without the TCs, in response we only wanted a part of the island and a part for you this was primarily to stay alive and rule ourselves, which do you feel is the more understanding approach?

[Pyrpolizer]

Yes I know a lot of things but I was only requested to say the wrong-doings of my own side. As you may have noticed I have not said a single word about the wrong-doings of your side. And you are such a chicken yourself you are afraid to open your mouth and tell a single word....

Whats the point Pyro? What will you or VP gain. As I see it there is too much mistrust and animosity between the communities. The vast majority of GCs will always see us as Turks and hate us with a passion. And if truth be told a vast majority of TCs will hate you guys as you are their lifelong enemies the Greeks.

Please be so kind as to tell me what the best solution would be under these circumstances.

OK Mrfromng I will tell you:
1)Religion deteriorated so much today that nobody cares.Fortunately the TCs were always atheists so this is a plus.
2)30%+ of the GCs and TCs are almost communist.They don't view the other community along ethnic lines.

From the remaining 70% we have so many educated people today who will either view people of the other community according to education rather than ethnic lines.

I estimate a percetage of about 10% Turk haters in the GC community. Nothing will change their mind at least in the short run. There must be a similar percentage among the TC community. They have no chance to prevail among the GC community.

We all know where we will end up with no solution. So it s in our best interests as Cypriots to re-unify. This re-unification has 2 aspects. The political one and the geographic one. Geographically we will be mostly living in areas where the majority is TCs/GCs respectively.What will really unite the people is the economy. If you notice carefully it was the economy that splitted the people in the 60's more than anything else.The troubles and the killings would have passed and forgotten if both communities had equal/parallel/codependent economic status.

NB. Think about it:What unites you with the British people there where you live is your economic status. If you were a poor/put aside Asian you would hate the place and the British

Good post Pyro, not a lot from my point of view that I would argue about. If the solution will ultimately see both sides geographically as they are now then why in gods name was the Annan plan overwhelmingly rejected?

Off to see mum now, later

The major flaw of the Anan plan was the properties. The GCs would loose most of their properties.
It was not like sell/exchange/rent/get compensated at will. It was pure loss.

There were other aspects too. The geographical separation was such that would lead to partition... There wouldn't be any joint economy either.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yes I know a lot of things but I was only requested to say the wrong-doings of my own side. As you may have noticed I have not said a single word about the wrong-doings of your side. And you are such a chicken yourself you are afraid to open your mouth and tell a single word....

Pyro I have no problem admitting TCs were no angels but I strongly believe that on the whole what they did was reactionary and purely to stay alive and keep their presence on the island. You were prepared to give the whole island to Greece with or without the TCs, in response we only wanted a part of the island and a part for you this was primarily to stay alive and rule ourselves, which do you feel is the more understanding approach?

So....
1)When the eokas have surrendered all their weapons in 1960 and the GC side was totally armless until 1962, the constant smaggling of weapons by the TC side was to stay alive? Was purely reactionary?
2)the AT THE BLINK OF AN EYE abandoning of your positions in the parliament just because Makarios has PROPOSED something, which you didn't like was simply reactionary for you to stay alive?
3)The massive buying of lands at the North of Nicosia, the kicking out of the Armenians and the few GCs in preparation of enclaves before nothing even happened was for you to stay alive?

VP either you don't know what really happened, or you are unable to see the true line of events and their linking, or you are too brainwashed by the Turkish propaganda.

Nothing was reactionary in Cyprus not even Taksim Vs Enosis. All these are superficial excuses some people invented. Everything was prepared and thought in advance by each side SEPARATELY for the day the British would LEAVE. It was a clush of ethnic forces each hungrily waiting for the political power to come.

[Pyrpolizer]

The same thing will happen if we have a solution. However this time it won't be a crush along ethnic lines it will be the rich Vs the poor. It will take some years for the poor on both sides to realize what happened to them from their own people. Mark my words...

[Kikapu]

VP,

The clock is ticking ... tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick.
Still waiting for your answer.

Just as soon as you answer mine, I am fully aware you are not cultured enough to understand that answering a question with a question is rude, so ı am trying to educate you. Respond to my question about proving what you claimed about me reconfiriming what your brother in law claimed and I will gladly respond to yours. You can always try to be honest for a change and say you were lieing yet again.

OK, if that's the way you want to do it, then tell me first, that the Cousin's husband is real, since you did not believe he ever existed and claimed that he was made up by me, and then I will answer your question.

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VP,

The clock is ticking ... tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick.
Still waiting for your answer.

Just as soon as you answer mine, I am fully aware you are not cultured enough to understand that answering a question with a question is rude, so ı am trying to educate you. Respond to my question about proving what you claimed about me reconfiriming what your brother in law claimed and I will gladly respond to yours. You can always try to be honest for a change and say you were lieing yet again.

OK, if that's the way you want to do it, then tell me first, that the Cousin's husband is real, since you did not believe he ever existed and claimed that he was made up by me, and then I will answer your question.

Why on earth should I do that? you are the one who lied and claimed I confirmed everything your brother in law said about the TCs and the TRNC probably to try and credibility to your story, nows the time to prove it or apologies to everyone for lieing.