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[Viewpoint]

Deniz and semantics:

"I am merely pointing out that the word itself is like a red rag. TCs will see it as the majoriy - GCs - RULE over the TCs. "

If the word was changed to majority government would that be more palatable? Is this an objections that comes from some other root and not connected to the system, constitution or other factor but a historic/cultural thing? We were all "ruled" by the British at some point and the TCs were not particularly bothered.

At some point, no matter what kind of solution is chosen, there will be majority rule-government-administration call it what you will, for the simple reason that there is no other way to do it. When a boring matter like a transport bill is debated it will be approved or rejected by majority vote. So where exactly is the problem in that?

Even if we manage to invent a unique system that does not have majority "rule", as members of the EU, following the Lisbon treaty, we will be subject to EU majority "rule" on things that touch all of us. Is it better then becaue the majority does not contain the G word? Is majority "rule" more acceptable when it derives from a mix of foreigners minus the Greeks?

You still don't get it do you, let me try and explain. The majority maybe the GCs and they may have more members in th ruling house, the problem is when can the TCs say no? how will they stop a bill that will effect the TC community more negatively than the GCs community. A good example of this is your current veto right in the EU, what TCs is there be proportional representation but n matter where we see a danger to the TCs we should be able say no.

[zan]

Deniz and semantics:

"I am merely pointing out that the word itself is like a red rag. TCs will see it as the majoriy - GCs - RULE over the TCs. "

If the word was changed to majority government would that be more palatable? Is this an objections that comes from some other root and not connected to the system, constitution or other factor but a historic/cultural thing? We were all "ruled" by the British at some point and the TCs were not particularly bothered.

At some point, no matter what kind of solution is chosen, there will be majority rule-government-administration call it what you will, for the simple reason that there is no other way to do it. When a boring matter like a transport bill is debated it will be approved or rejected by majority vote. So where exactly is the problem in that?

Even if we manage to invent a unique system that does not have majority "rule", as members of the EU, following the Lisbon treaty, we will be subject to EU majority "rule" on things that touch all of us. Is it better then becaue the majority does not contain the G word? Is majority "rule" more acceptable when it derives from a mix of foreigners minus the Greeks?

You still don't get it do you, let me try and explain. The majority maybe the GCs and they may have more members in th ruling house, the problem is when can the TCs say no? how will they stop a bill that will effect the TC community more negatively than the GCs community. A good example of this is your current veto right in the EU, what TCs is there be proportional representation but n matter where we see a danger to the TCs we should be able say no.

And just as importantly a few yes' as well, like:

Are you a Cypriot/ Yes
Are you a Turkish Cypriot/ Yes
Is your mother tongue properly represented/ Yes
Are you able to vote on which National Anthem is played to represent you/ Yes
Is your religion taken into account when legislature is discussed/ Yes




etc etc etc...........

[Nikitas]

VP,

Everything can be a potential ethnic problem to which a veto can be raised, including things that would seem to affect only the GC community. From taxation to traffic rules to anything that must be done in a modern society.

Can you come up with a definition of what is and what is not a matter affecting ethnic interests and separate it from the mechanics of running a country efficiently? If I remember tightly one of the sticking points in the 1960 deal was a veto on taxation.

In the EU the veto is used according to rules, and the matter is always resolved through the efforts of the current presidency. As far as I know there has never been a long term blockage of EU business through the veto.

[Kikapu]

I tell you what VP. Why don't you give me one example in favour of the "TRNC" that does not violate Human Rights and Democratic Rights of all Cypriots in Cyprus, because I can't come up with one, so why don't you show us how smart you are, and just give us ONE and stop asking others to do the impossible.

Firstly you try to clean up your lies (about my repeating what your brother in law said) then I will gladly respond.

Trying to buy some time are you.??

I can see where you would need time for you to answer my question VP.!!

Your childish and immature handicap shines through like a ray of light, you obviously don't know that its impolite and classless to answer a question with a question...try answering before asking and you shall receive your answer...viva la TRNC.

I already answered your question regarding this post which was "I can't come up with one", so now it's your turn.

Your other question was on another post away from this one, so why are you mixing the two. I will answer your other question, as soon as I have some time.

Come on VP, you have had all day to think on how to answer this question.!

Would you like for me to give you another 24 hours to think about it or what.???

The clock is ticking VP... tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick.

[Kikapu]

What you did was take a man who has had enough and wants to get on with his life and provide for his family, just like the GCs have done while he sits and waits for a solution, with the embargoes, and sully his name in your quest for attacking the TCs.

No no no Zan, I'm talking about a man who bought a lot of GC land at £20 a donum and said they were worth £3,000 per donum now, as well as living in a GC house. Everything he told me regarding GC land, how the the AP was voted on the plan only and not for peace, the "TRNC" tells the world what they want to hear, but in reality they want partition and so on and so on. Funny enough, at the time you and VP made him out to be "Roger the Rabbit" that he did not exist, but as time went by, VP grew bolder and repeated everything what the cousin's husband said. Again Zan, I did not attack or accuse any TC refugees living in GC homes, but rather the Partitionist, who would at all cost would see the island divided permanently, and to my thinking, it was not so much about security, but rather it was all about MONEY.

Prove it, or are you telling porkies yet again.

You sink even deeper by continuing to lie, ho look suprise suprise same thread but of course you will twist turn squirm and try to worm your way out yet again.

More lies about me asking you your own question, how can you be answering a question that you asked me as if I was asking you?? then boldly saying you cannot find an answer.

Are you that much of an idiot or just having an off day...again.!!

I said, your other question was on another post and not on another thread.

Your other question was on another post away from this one, so why are you mixing the two. I will answer your other question, as soon as I have some time.

Jesus VP, you can't even take couple of minutes to read my response correctly before jumping at the first sign that I may have made a mistake, so that you can say...I gotcha....Sorry to disappoint you my good fellow, but I'm not that easy for you to get.!!

All forum members take note how this person twists turns and squirms trying to deflect attention from answering questions, when challenged about his lies.

Keep worming Mr Greek Cypriot.

I hope the Forum members will not take any note, or else they will discover what a anti Greek Cypriot and a Racist idiot you are....

Oops, too late VP. Apparently you were discovered to be the above long long time ago.!!

[Viewpoint]

VP,

Everything can be a potential ethnic problem to which a veto can be raised, including things that would seem to affect only the GC community. From taxation to traffic rules to anything that must be done in a modern society.

Can you come up with a definition of what is and what is not a matter affecting ethnic interests and separate it from the mechanics of running a country efficiently? If I remember tightly one of the sticking points in the 1960 deal was a veto on taxation.

In the EU the veto is used according to rules, and the matter is always resolved through the efforts of the current presidency. As far as I know there has never been a long term blockage of EU business through the veto.

Law to severe relations with Turkey.

The same would be the case if TCs threatened to use their veto and should be resolved by the President just like the EU.

[Viewpoint]

What you did was take a man who has had enough and wants to get on with his life and provide for his family, just like the GCs have done while he sits and waits for a solution, with the embargoes, and sully his name in your quest for attacking the TCs.

No no no Zan, I'm talking about a man who bought a lot of GC land at £20 a donum and said they were worth £3,000 per donum now, as well as living in a GC house. Everything he told me regarding GC land, how the the AP was voted on the plan only and not for peace, the "TRNC" tells the world what they want to hear, but in reality they want partition and so on and so on. Funny enough, at the time you and VP made him out to be "Roger the Rabbit" that he did not exist, but as time went by, VP grew bolder and repeated everything what the cousin's husband said. Again Zan, I did not attack or accuse any TC refugees living in GC homes, but rather the Partitionist, who would at all cost would see the island divided permanently, and to my thinking, it was not so much about security, but rather it was all about MONEY.

Prove it, or are you telling porkies yet again.

You sink even deeper by continuing to lie, ho look suprise suprise same thread but of course you will twist turn squirm and try to worm your way out yet again.

More lies about me asking you your own question, how can you be answering a question that you asked me as if I was asking you?? then boldly saying you cannot find an answer.

Are you that much of an idiot or just having an off day...again.!!

I said, your other question was on another post and not on another thread.

Your other question was on another post away from this one, so why are you mixing the two. I will answer your other question, as soon as I have some time.

Jesus VP, you can't even take couple of minutes to read my response correctly before jumping at the first sign that I may have made a mistake, so that you can say...I gotcha....Sorry to disappoint you my good fellow, but I'm not that easy for you to get.!!

All forum members take note how this person twists turns and squirms trying to deflect attention from answering questions, when challenged about his lies.

Keep worming Mr Greek Cypriot.

I hope the Forum members will not take any note, or else they will discover what a anti Greek Cypriot and a Racist idiot you are....

Oops, too late VP. Apparently you were discovered to be the above long long time ago.!!

Another deflection off the real subject, your lies, keep squirming it makes good entertainment.

A racist for calling you a Greek Cypriot, whats so racist about that, are you ashamed of being classed in the same league and in unison with your brothers?

[Kikapu]

All forum members take note how this person twists turns and squirms trying to deflect attention from answering questions, when challenged about his lies.

Keep worming Mr Greek Cypriot.

I hope the Forum members will not take any note, or else they will discover what a anti Greek Cypriot and a Racist idiot you are....

Oops, too late VP. Apparently you were discovered to be the above long long time ago.!!

Another deflection off the real subject, your lies, keep squirming it makes good entertainment.

A racist for calling you a Greek Cypriot, whats so racist about that, are you ashamed of being classed in the same league and in unison with your brothers?

If I were a GC, no problem, but since I'm not and you know full well that I'm not, by saying that I'm in a vindictive fashion, is what makes you a Racist and Greek Cypriot Hating Bigot, that you really, really are.

Do you have anymore excuses you would like for me to explain to you, you Greek Cypriot Hater.

[Viewpoint]

All forum members take note how this person twists turns and squirms trying to deflect attention from answering questions, when challenged about his lies.

Keep worming Mr Greek Cypriot.

I hope the Forum members will not take any note, or else they will discover what a anti Greek Cypriot and a Racist idiot you are....

Oops, too late VP. Apparently you were discovered to be the above long long time ago.!!

Another deflection off the real subject, your lies, keep squirming it makes good entertainment.

A racist for calling you a Greek Cypriot, whats so racist about that, are you ashamed of being classed in the same league and in unison with your brothers?

If I were a GC, no problem, but since I'm not and you know full well that I'm not, by saying that I'm in a vindictive fashion, is what makes you a Racist and Greek Cypriot Hating Bigot, that you really, really are.

Do you have anymore excuses you would like for me to explain to you, you Greek Cypriot Hater.

I don't hate Greek Cypriots, I don't trust them that I accept but don't mix the 2 because they are totally different, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

You state the above only because you feel it is an insult to be considered a Greek Cypriot that's your psychological problem not mine. You should be proud to be clubed together with your GC brothers. with whom you have more in common than any TC.

[Kikapu]

I don't hate Greek Cypriots, I don't trust them that I accept but don't mix the 2 because they are totally different, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Well VP, when you make statements that
"you don't want Greek spoken around you and around your children",
begs to differ with your above claim.